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- CraigNobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Wow, it's finally come to where it's better to take a gun and rob your local gaming/video store. First offense (if no one dies or gets hurt), slap on the wrist and 6 months probation. Download a 3 minutes audio file, TWO YEARS IN PRISON! Yeah, because that really tells people that you have a fair government.
Glad I'm in Canada where is is legal to get copies of music from your friends and download them from other peoples computers.
Go Canada! - Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15So then P2P is like a very good, efficient library. P2P is a library that has figured out how to: 1) Eliminate the need for library cards. 2) Fixed the problem of not having enough material to lend out. 3) Made due dates irrelevant. 4) Eliminated user fees. 5) Eliminated the need for the government to spend money on this kind of library. 6) Direct to home deliveries, free of charge, any time of day or night. 7) Democratize the library system. Anyone who wants to add material to the library can. 8) Makes censorship impractical, if not impossible. 9) YAY P2P LIBRARY!!!
- Francky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11How does this make sense, you get a slap on the wrist for stealing it in the store, yet get two years if you download it online ?!
We should really stop buying anything from both the RIAA and the MPAA, these Cartels have gotten so powerful that they are re-shaping governments and laws has they see fit. Time to take them down a notch by not giving them any of OUR money. - HarryHunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I'm from Germany, and the real irony of it all is that a child rapist can generally get away with less penalty here than someone stealing music.
Also, a CD here doesn't cost 20 euros. More like 10-15. - mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Uhh..
What is the Recording Industry Association of America doing the ***** in Europe?
LOL @ IMPERIALISM.
;D - Jolene, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Ok... You walk into a prison and go drop the soap. Then you can come back and tell us that paying $500,000 is worse. ; )
- queefer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"No. She didn't.
So far, no one has been sued for downloading songs. Isn't it time we put this stupid lie to rest?"
Either you're smoking an ass load of weed, or you're just plain retarded.
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/6002/lindor.html
" Woman Sued by RIAA " - nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11You repeated the W in news.
- podwich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You know, if they're going to impose rather draconian punishments on people like this, perhaps they should give proportionally similar ones to those people that violate honest consumers. For instance, Sony BMG. They got a relative slap on the wrist. If it's two years in prison for stealing a song or movie, what proportional punishment should be appropriate for someone who screws up God knows how many people's computers (as well as seriously restricting fair use)?
- aapl2dcore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I wouldn't compare it to stealing. That's what the RIAA does and their analogy is awful. P2P is more akin to a public library... I wonder how much jail time you get for borrowing a movie or CD from a library in Germany?
- Grayfox777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"It is theft. Theft is a crime most everywhere. The penalty is up to the governing body."
That's an opinion. I say it's not theft unless something is physically lost. If you download an album, you're not taking away a CD that could have potentially been sold to someone else. You're just downloading audio data. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6note to Germans.. don't get caught and get into politics so you can help shape the future...
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In the US it is 5 years in jail. Never enforced though. This was already on the front page once this week though.
Eric Wilson - j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"That's an opinion. I say it's not theft unless something is physically lost. If you download an album, you're not taking away a CD that could have potentially been sold to someone else. You're just downloading audio data."
That is fact. The actual "crime" in the United States anyhow, is called copyright infringement. What they are suing you for is "loss of potential sales." Any law regarding potential loss of revenue is complete ***** considering how easy it is to download a song online compared to the way you're SUPPOSED to get a cd, by going to the store and buying it.
Most of the time, said person wouldn't have bought the cd if it wasn't so convenient just to download it. I know that I probably wouldn't listen to any music at all if it wasn't for cd-r's, limewire, bittorrent, and my ipod. - sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You gotta admit it, the Germans are some big time pirates. Especially on e-donkey, e-mule, e-horse, e-whatever... I'm willing to take a blind eye since they also make the best beer and know how to party.
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Will start immigration procedure soon. Canada seems indeed to be one of the sole sane state in the world...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4THE START OF END
- Grayfox777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, it's a fact that it's illegal and considered to be theft... but morally, my opinion is that it should be legal and that it's really not theft at all. I basically disagree with the law that says it's illegal.
- kimzor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yup true..i guess.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The law doesn't say that at all. We are 100% free to download and upload music all we want. We pay a tariff on blank media (CD, DVD, audio tape) that goes to the CRIA. This law was reviewed but it was concluded that sharing files is no different from borrowing from a library.
- NewPunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3How is paying $500,000 worse than spending 2 years in prison? If you knew what it was like being locked up for 2 years, you'd rather pay the 500k then go to prison.
- monkeymad2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just think, i wouldn't be buying it anyway, so I'm not denying anyone of any hard-earned money as they wouldn't be getting it anyway, anyone agree?
If i really felt something was worth it I'd buy the CD / DVD, - futoshi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4ANother example of the police fascist state at work.
How disgraceful - amed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4moments like this, make me happy that i live in Canada, our law states that we can download but not upload.
- falke666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the nordic countries are fine. just germany sucks (once more)
- mrpink.137, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3My German friend said that CDs in Germany are about €20 (around $25.00).
I guess the lesson is for Americans to never complain about the price of music again. - oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"TECHNICALLY they could still use bittorrent because they arent uploading to a server so you technically arent downloading...right? correct me if i'm wrong"
Consider yourself corrected. Bittorrent clients upload AND download as part of the protocol. The fact that a server (in the traditional sense) is not being used is irrelevant. In every Bittorrent client, it gives you upload and download stats. So, in essense, every bittorrent client is also a server in that you are giving pieces of the file to someone else. And since the RIAA and MPAA are currently going after those that upload, every bittorrent user is at risk. - aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think a proportional punishment for Sony BMG would be public castration of all the top level management that earns over 150k dollars a year.
- infra172, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1or so the Germans would have us believe....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2mah...... seems worth the hundreds of gigs of torrents i got for just two years :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Haha, that's ironic-ish.
- chaos213, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Commit the crime you described in Germany and see if it is 6 months probation. You are describing the US or perhaps Canada? Laws in other countries can be far more severe then ours. There are countries where they cut off your hand for stealing. There are countries where DUI convictions carry the death penalty. It is theft. Theft is a crime most everywhere. The penalty is up to the governing body.
I am not sure if things have changed but it use to be no parole in Germany. That means 2 years, no early out for good time. They also use to have prison industries. If an inmate worked in the prison 2/3 of what they earned went to their families and 1/3 covered their prison costs for basics and extras. This system coupled with no welfare for a cons family worked well and allowed an inmate a way to add to the support of their families. Those that didn't work got no extras. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=362
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Scoutlimb, I love you.
Your analogy completely fits in with my views of life, the universe and everything.
Please, will you have my babies? - flexyble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i have been wondering where else in the world the rules like this exists. I am livng in japan and does hell lot of p2p downloads thru torrents. could anyone please advise me is this an offence.
- ardnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no...
2 years in jail = downloading for personal use.
5 years in jail = downloading for commerical use. - alphager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is NOT TRUE.
This is a proposal of the German Government which still has to go through the Bundestag and the Bundesrat to become a law.
The proposal is facing harsh criticism from members of alll parties. It is implausible that this actually becomes a law.
This story has been debunked on Slashdot 3 days ago... - danpsmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They're trying to build a prison......for you and me to live in...
- monkeymad2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1very true,
but you missed out on a major part,
Germans who download for their own use face up to 2 years.
Germans who download for commercial use face up to 5 years - Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mofo: Thanks for the compliment. About your offer, sorry, I lack the plumbing to have your babies. :-)
Midnight: Returning materials is still encouraged, and now is usually automated. Most P2P systems automatically re-upload while still downloading. And if you really have a social concience, help your P2P library out by seeding, or leaving the files in your shared folder. Who can resist helping out such a good and altruistic cause such as P2P Library? :-) - 413x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2our government really acts crazy. sometimes it feels like history repeatin' ... :(
laws/technical possibilities we recently got / will get:
- massive data retention (originally accounced as law against terrorism, now it seems that the data can also be requested by private corporations - see this digg article)
- observation and position location of mobile phones
- automatic traffic observation including database-sync of car plates/numbers "MAUT system"
- (possibly) video observation of public places - this is requested by conservative politicians for the wm2006. they also want to use the german army (= bundeswehr) regarding inner security issues which is strictly prohibited by our "constitution" (= grundgesetz)
- biometrical recognition systems (we'll also get biometrical identification cards)
- DNA databases (lucky no plans yet, but the technoloigy is here..)
- electronical healthcard (where all your injuries are stored. big technical privacy leaks!)
- automatic scanning of bank accounts (no more banking secrecy)
and maybe some more which I can't remember right now.
WTF are they planning!? - Frank_the_Tank, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3NO P2P FOR YOU!!!
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And they'll complain again if sales go through the floor. Soon they'll go after DAB stations and street music stores. After all, all this material could be pirated no ? How long before CDs become illegal and you have to surrender your whole collection in exchange to iTunes vouchers ?
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, music in Germany is generally cheaper than America (although it looks like prices have gone up since I was there last.) If you really want to cry, try buying music in New Zealand or Japan: two countries with ridiculously high prices on published media. A CD in Japan usually starts at about ¥3000 (about $26.)
- neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sequel to Aeon Flux?
- JMarc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As a european, I can tell you that over here they are very strict concerning Filesharing and any kind of piracy. As some countries feel very affected by piracy, the fines are increasing more and more and rumours are going around that the European Commission has included a proposal on the agenda that there will be a fixed prison sentence within the EU and it should be around 4 years. However this is a rumour. As a european, I can only shake my head and hope that more important issues will be recognised by our lovely commission. But as a matter of fact, this is not the case in Germany at the moment as this topic is in discussion and it seems that most of the parties are quite critical about this as they would like to first of all solve the sharing problems through the internet.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Anybody who downloads films for COMMERCIAL USE could be jailed for up to five years."
RTFS!! Read the forking SUMMARY! Only Germans who SELL pirated movies and music apply to this law. - deathandcarnit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0does anyone notice that it says that you cannot download for comercial use meaning you cant sell it but if you take the literal meaning of what there saying is you can download for personal use but not to sell so its still legal to download lol can you say loop hole rofl
- Grayfox777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Actually, France has legalized the sharing of music as far as I know. France has their whole own set of other problems right now, though.
- subtle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I believe YOU are a dupe and if people don't report YOU, then YOU may get worse.
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