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- Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37TV is doomed. Going outside and doing something productive is where it's at.
- treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@ sinner0423, I suggest you don't become a futurist.
What do people mostly use their mobile phones for? ... making/receiving calls!
What do people use their TVs for? ... watching programs!
What's the major downfall of traditional TV? ... YOU have to adjust your timetable to view your favourite programs
With IPTV, as you know, consumers will be able to access any program they want on demand. Plus you then you have all the different technologies currently available online, and then some. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I allready never watch tv, I just download the episodes of what i want on bit torrent. I dont waste my time with ads and all the crap that is on tv
- rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The major difference with Vonage is that people really really RELY on there phones. Most families are to scared to give up there landline to try out that new fangled interweb phone. With TV I think people are always looking for more content. My uncle was just telling me about how he pays so much for Satellite. Also, what are we talking about TV is doomed. He means cable? Satellite? What? As more and more cable companies offer on demand things with DVR there will be a very blurry line between things. TV isn't doomed, were still gonna be sitting around our CRTs, LCD's, Plasmas or whatever. Where the content comes from will be an enduring battle.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9jimbojimbo...10 years? Are you ***** kidding? MANY plavces in this country will still not have broadband by then. They simply are not going to wire neighborhoods with one house every half mile.
And no..it will NOT kill TV because most people do not consider TV to be appointment TV. Most people wathc TV by flipping around until they find something good. There is a phrase called Channel Surfing for a reason you know.
Again,. this is yet another example of the Digg community so far out of touch with reality and not realizingthat in the WORST possible way that they are not normal, and therefore thinking that people watch TV the same way they do. Not so.
Moylan and schroeder...and when you are at work and your co-workers are talking about that great episode of The Sopranos, you can say "WAIT! Don't tell me...I haven't downloaded it yet." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7stream free tv in browser: all top links:
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http://abc.go.com/ - diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7We're coming full-circle with television. Soon the only programming on normal, linear television will be live -- if you want to watch your favorite shows they will all be on-demand/non-linear/iptv. No one likes being told they have to be at a certain place at a certain time anymore.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19Considering how it isn't even out yet I'll be a little daring and say it isn't a flop. Oh, and just because a bunch of MS-haters trash it on Digg and /. doesn't mean that in the real world it is going to be a flop.
- Speed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It saddens me when I see smart people like Digg users so out of touch with reality. If the world was filled with tech users who are patient, then yes, IPTV would overtake traditional television. However, that is simply not the case. When it takes a while to download a 50 MB game patch, you can't download an hour long HDTV show at any reasonable watching speed.
Digg itself is proof that IPTV will not overtake traditional TV for a long time. 1000 users visiting a site thats mostly text and a couple of images will kill it. If we are talking even a small city like Edmonton, with 1 million citizens, there could be up to 600-800k people trying to download off the same IPTV "network". If they are all downloading, say, a 600 MB video, that's 360k-480k GB of bandwidth being used up. Imagine in a city like Vancouver, Toronto, LA or NYC. Now imagine a network like Fox, having all its shows streaming off the internet on demand for the whole world. It's Monday night, they just released the next episode of 24 or Prison Break, millions of people go to download it and watch it. That's hundreds if not thousands of terabytes that Fox has to deal with.
Then, you have to tell ole granny, or even Joe Blow down the street that instead of watching TV right away, and channel surfing like they enjoy doing, they'll have to buy a special box if they want to watch it on their TV, hook it up to the internet, get high speed internet (even though the most you can get at the sub-$100/month price is 10 Mbps), and watch the shows through that. Then explain to them that with millions of people downloading the same show, and a 5-10 Mbps connection, chances of being able to watch an HD show without waiting for it to download first are VERY slim.
Plus, theres the DRM, so you can't just record a show to VHS if you want a backup. And providers will probably say "you can only watch this show so many times or for so long", as opposed to the VHS backup, where the quality may be worse, but the freedom is much greater. People don't re-arrange their schedules around TV, they channel surf, and if there is a show on that they can't make, they program their VCR to record the show
When you guys talk about things being doomed, and technological revolutions, think like normal people, not like geeks or Digg users. - schroeder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree with Moylan, I have cable but rarely watch it. I prefer the portability of watching whatever I want wherever I want on my laptop. I wholeheartedly believe that IPTV is the future. It also opens up the doors for network startups and independent shows. Productions produced for the internet (the good ones) are so much more creative and far better in general than 90% of what's on TV. With new digital camera technologies becoming cheaper the networks will start to have real competition and incentive to produce quality programming.
- ahughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Gates doesnt exactly have the best track record with "predictions".
- asurroca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm gonna guess that IPTV will be to DVR what DVR was to TV
TiVo and company changed the way we watch television, and IPTV is going to take this route to places we've never been, once the industry backs it. And since Microsoft has been working on it, and courting industry bigwigs, for years, I'm guessing that by one year after IPTV hits the Xbox 360, it will be damn ready for prime-time. - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@ Hydraulix
I'll stick to my Wii. - crash128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In 5 years tv will be a lame duck? Hahahahahahahahaha. I'm just not seeing that, Mr. Bill. As more & more people buy cheaper & cheaper large screen tv's/displays, I'd say high-def has a good 10-15 years lifespan via cable co's.
When they get fiber to every door, and inc the inet bandwidth so that everyone can stream video without hiccups, then maybe. The thing, though, is that it's not a zero sum game with video - inet, youtube, video ipod, cellphones - these just add power to what video can do. And hey, where the heck is mpeg4? - osc1882, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Crap! for once in a year Billy is right.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This will only happen when:
I can turn on my computer and watch hbo in a matter of seconds - ejm508, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, but he wasn't born the richest man in the world, so...
- afruff23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think anybody cares so much about a freaking remote as you do. Just give me numbers, channel, volume, mute, power, menu, and input.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wot a prophet, i could say that in 1994.
- Blarion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ Joshuachild, Yes, because having wealth automatically makes you right.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Windows 95 came with a web browser. Ok, well it wasnt the world's best browser. But it came with one. And that actually pissed off a lot of people.
- Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ rockforever
At least you have one. :( - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe it will be ready for prime time technically but there are ~10 million 360's sold world wide so far. Let's be kind and say they sell another ~10M this year. That's 20M 360's vs. hundreds and hundreds of millions of TV's. (perhaps 1 billion+ world wide?) Gates' vision of the future is pretty wacky when you look at the numbers. I see it as a generational thing. Anyone under 30 will probably adapt to IPTV very quickly. People over 30 will probably favor DVR and traditional style broadcast TV (although technically the content will be delivered via IP but presented as familiar broadcast style experience, complete with channel up and channel down buttons)
- RonaldLewis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This isn't "real" TV. Most of these sites perform poorly.
- DDark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What OS does Bill Gates run?
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IPTV will be only as successful as internet providers allow it to be. ie. Not as popular as the hardware and software makers wish. I bet everyone thought that browsing and internet access on the mobile phone was going to be a threat to the traditional model, well that was prices out of popularity (it could have been huge).
- jockser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i think bill gates is out o touch with the real world.
maybe the Internet will take over sometimes, but its nit in the near future.
most countries don't have enough bandwidth for simple websites, and here we are thinking of streaming Hugh amount through the ol' tubes
i think it will clog them and we will have to call the big dump truck to clear them !!!!!!! - SPThom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is about as significant prediction this year as the prediction last year that "web applications are the next big thing". Well duh.
- pauliewoll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"TV is doomed, and I'll be delivering the eulogy on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart NEXT WEEK, DON'T MISS IT!!"
Who says geeks don't do irony? - MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3Vista isn't a flop. And I agree with Billy boy for the most part. In fact, I think you'll be seeing Vista or some Microsoft OS on TVs soon. TV and the internet are merging. Old people will be able to use their remote control to select which story from CNN they want to watch. The news anchors will be able to cover a wide array of stories and they won't have to repeat them every hour over and over to make sure everyone got the 'headlines'.
- benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3tech people just don't understand. as long as there are stoners, there will always be random television programming, most especially [adultswim]
- billyh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This from the guy who in 1995 said the Interet was a flop and he wasn't going to build a browser for it since it was going nowhere? That is until Netscape was finished making versions good enough for MS to copy.
- mootaccount, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windos =)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Unfortunately, Mr Gates, I can't get the interwebs with my 640kb of RAM (which is all I'll ever need) nor on my Microsoft B.O.B :(
- uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's beinig discussed is real time television, not shows that you download and watch on your ipod or dvr.
Also, this story is a few days old. Downloadsquad.com just took the AP version, whittled it down, called it their own, and submitted it to digg. - slapout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gates my be the richest man in the world, but he's still wrong about this for one simple reason: bandwidth. Their is simply not enough internet bandwidth to compete with the bandwidth that TV has.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have the harmony 880. With my hardware (and wife) it's a pain to set up. One of these days i might be inspired to use their tech forums.
- digitaldd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1After Bill Gates book "The Road Ahead" [the original version before he added the chapter on the Internet, and later had Microsoft rush IE 3.0 out] should any of us put any trust in his predictions.
- etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The amount of people who are still without internet in the home is still pretty high. When IPTV happens, and it comes down to cable-level prices, more homes will start adopting it, but not until then. Cable is still the low cost and easy alternative. Because of this, 10 years seems early to predict the death of cable TV. Though I'm sure it will happen, I would suggest more like 15-20 years before IPTV is the "norm".
- PaulLev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gates is right about the traditional tv delivery systems. As far as the content goes, though, we're in a new golden age of tv ... 24, Rome, Battlestar Galactica, Dexter http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2006/12/only-idiots-dont-watch-television.html
- digitalsmash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Has he considered bandwith? I personally prefer to dvr a show I miss...internet video is still quite lacking in quality.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TV and Internet say Gates is doomed, Jobs is where it's at.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh the prophecy!
(people that know their stuff were saying that from the early 90s) - moley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Logitech Harmony 880
- diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Computers and Technology will make work easier, 3 & 4 day, work weeks will be the norm.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's pretty much all I watch minus the food network and CSI. You're not alone.
- floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see TV as being dead since there are many programs which I enjoy watching that can not be torrented, such as much of Discovery Channel specials, Science channel, discovery times channel, sundance channel, national geographic, much of that content never makes it on the internet because it is so niche.
In addition, I wouldn't really know what show to look for, whether it looks or sounds interesting, without the overwhelming commercials for specials like "2057" on these channels.
Downloading random BitTorrent shows only works if you know exactly what you want such as BSG s3e12, Office s1e17 that get a lot of coverage on the internet. - diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You won't miss seeing advertising, they will be IN the shows.
- Karmavs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ah crap - now that gates has said its going to happen - its doomed :( (well,, thats what the track record would imply)
- diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly.
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