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- alienSkull, on 10/18/2007, -6/+135http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3765101/Throwdown-Veno ...
- AmishRefugee, on 10/18/2007, -5/+88“If you wanna really support a band, “steal” their album….help bury the label….and buy a tshirt when you show up at their show and sing every word.”
that's exactly what I do now, I suggest everyone do that - ganzhimself, on 10/18/2007, -11/+90So, if I get sued by the RIAA for sharing Throwdown's music over P2P are they [Throwdown] going to cover my legal fees and the fines I'll inevitably end up having to pay?
- psevium, on 10/18/2007, -6/+80These guys seem to get it a bit better
Now to find their album online - natedouglas, on 10/18/2007, -7/+54A pretty hardcore position. I'm glad to hear a musician talking like that.
- plizard, on 10/18/2007, -18/+61throwdown ***** sucks though. i can't believe they opened for lamb of god back in the day
- inactive, on 10/18/2007, -2/+36Ok Throwdown, i will download your album from a torrent because you said it was ok (riaa see, they said it was ok) And we are all about "not stealing from the artist" , well the artist is giving it to us
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32Indeed. FTA: "The philosophy I’ve adopted is that if you’re supporting disc sales, you’re keeping the old model around longer"
Dugg to death. - legion, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31These guys have been around a long time, I have a few of their albums. They are not the type to ride NIN coat tails. They gave an honest answer to a question they were asked.
- thatrez, on 10/18/2007, -5/+32It just seemed so much cooler when Trent said the same exact thing.
- honeymustardn, on 10/18/2007, -6/+30Why did they sign to the label if they want to bury them?
- Humptydank, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22They signed because they wanted the advance, so they could pay for a producer and a studio that didn't make their albums sound like they were recorded in a mall, and they could pay the down-payment on a tour bus so they could tour and make real money, and so they could afford to print 5 thousand t-shirts and buy a thousand of their own cds to sell at the shows, also where the money is, etc.
Now he says he doesn't make any money off the cd sales? He certainly does make money off the cd sales, it was just advanced to him -- it was the seed capital for his business, provided to him by investors, the label, who were putting their money on the line based on their confidence in his ability to succeed. Now that he's proved them right and gotten his business rolling with a busy touring schedule and a fairly well known band, he feels pretty comfortable talking about "burying" the people who got him started.
Limousine radicalism at its finest. - ganzhimself, on 10/18/2007, -11/+31So, will Throwdown help me pay the legal fees and fines I could end up with because the RIAAholes sued me for downloading and sharing Throwdown's music?
- kufu91, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21"When you download music, you DIRECTLY cut into their bottom line."
only when you were going to buy it in the first place - Weenis, on 10/10/2007, -9/+28Sounds like a desperate plea from a band no one has heard of or will hear of for attention. Sorry throwdown, I won't even steal your album...
- ganzhimself, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20I was just stating a point. I mean, if they're telling you to steal from the record company they should be willing to back you up.
- xOKxWhy, on 10/18/2007, -1/+19Well, at least they get some publicity from this.
- thcobbs, on 10/18/2007, -4/+21Hrrrmmm.... How long till they get a breach of contract suit.
- p0wl, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22I completely agree. Since NIN already did this, we should digg down any other band that feels the same way and does it. Makes sense to me.
- belovedkid, on 10/18/2007, -7/+23throwdown is ***** horrible, one of the worst live shows (and supporting crowds) ive ever witnessed. However, they have the right idea, and labels such as Victory especially, need this kind of punishment.
- wellyuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Err.. no, they've got more than three albums out.
Beyond Repair
Haymaker
Vendetta
Venom & Tears
You Don't Have To Be Blood to Be Family
plus several EPs - Throwdown, Drive Me Dead, Split, Face The Mirror.
But what's your point anyway? - sdubois92, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13If Britney spears said she was ditching her label and letting people share her music online, i would never say anything bad about that fat drunk redneck again.
- objectcode, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15They don't go after you for stealing music anyways. they go after you for distributing music
- WNW3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"bury the label"
I'd buy a t-shirt that said that - CheeseburgerBro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15Um, that's the way new trends emerge. You know -- contagious change?
If only person did a revolutionary thing and then everyone else failed to do so because they didn't want to be a copy-cat, the revolution would fail. Any revolution. So don't pick on the folks who are seeing a good thing and emulating it: encourage them, fool! - autosovereign, on 12/06/2008, -0/+12Ganzhimself: The RIAA can't sue you because they don't represent Throwdown's record label.
- war6986, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Future of metal? What a joke. They are a terrible washed up metalcore band that hasn't made a decent album since 01. The only way they can get people to listen to them these days is by giving their music away free.
- anillop, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Why is this lame? It is a good idea that a lot of artists seem to finally be coming around to.
- geekee, on 10/11/2007, -5/+151.) Sign away copyright to album and get a fat advance and free marketing.
2.) Tell fans to steal album that you don't own hoping you get more popular.
3.) Go on tour
4.) Profit - Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -7/+17That's the trick. Get signed. Get some notoriety. THEN ***** the labels.
- giveer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Hey! check it out! It's a heavy metal pissing contest!! Wheeee!! I haven't heard a good one of these in a while... ahhh, memories...
- actorboy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13In other words, Trent knew exactly what he was doing. He reaped everything he could from the labels, i.e., built up an enormous following with the industry's publicity machine, and then moved on. It's very easy for him to drop his label because he's pretty much as known as he's going to get.
Throwdown, on the other hand, aren't reaping *****. 200k record sales across 3 releases is nothing. Now is the perfect time for them to go anti-label because anti-label is hot -- NIN and Radiohead have made it so. This stance is giving them tremendous publicity that they would not be able to get from their label (not unique enough) and would never have gotten is they were independent from the jump (again, not unique enough). They're a tight band, I'll give you that, but their sound is nothing special, and that makes this just the kind of PR move they need to get people interested who would have otherwise ignored them. And most of those new fans will probably forget about them by next year.
In "other" other words, "Damn, people are eating this Trent ***** up! We should try that -- it couldn't hurt!"
In short, if you think the timing of this is pure coincidence, you're fooling yourself. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I sing 2 out of every 3 words, is that okay?
Face it, most bands' vocals are unintelligible anyway. - objectcode, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Lame! Someone already made a reply to XiozTzu
- squirrelza, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Uhm, *****, PunkNews.org is mentioned in the article. I was not trying to advertise for the site, I was merely thinking about setting up an interview so I could talk to the band about piracy and maybe answer questions Digg users would have.
- treed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I thought it was one of Buzz Lightyear's phrases.
- squirrelza, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8It's actually not as easy for a band just starting up, therefor I disagree with your statement..
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Depending on the contract, the band may not actually own the rights to its music.
- katherynne, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Throwdown's been around a long time, bro. Don't assume they're some unknown band just because YOU haven't heard of them.
- descentgr, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12I'm sure you know more about the record industry than someone who's been dealing with it first hand for the past 18 years. sounds about right. fool
- volcom88, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Actually a lot of people HAVE heard of Throwdown. Not everyone chooses their music based on whats popular on MTV.
- tmbrwolf19, on 10/10/2007, -10/+16No, these guys understand that by not paying for the album your depriving the label of money. NIN doesn't get it. When Trent leaves the label they say 'Thank goodness, he was more trouble then he was worth", and then they go create another 5 bands and easily recoup the loses. If all the all the artists left their labels you might see the record industry in trouble, but as it is, a big name artist leaving is an eventuality for most record labels. Some leave to create their own labels, others retire, some switch. It's nothing shocking or unexpected to them, its business, they don't care. When you download music, you DIRECTLY cut into their bottom line. They spent money producing that album, and they are getting no return from it. It hurts them cause you are taking money from their pockets. When NIN left their label, its just a loss source of income, but there is no lost investment in producing that artist.
To put it simply, Trent Reznor likes to talk big and play the rebel, but he really doesn't know how it works to put it honestly. But the army of NIN fans on Digg will probably bury me deep for saying that. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7So why did you sign to this label, you ***** idiots?
- Humptydank, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12Sure, and I know they have to be all punkety-metaly, but I have to ask who paid for the PR agency that got them in Revolver magazine to begin with? Whose advance paid for the studio time and the photographers and the mics and the sound guys?
I'm not saying that the system isn't broken, and that things don't have to shift, or that there aren't homegrown success stories, but there are still things that are necessary to becoming successful in the music industry that only labels can afford. That's why they're there, to put their money up front and at risk for people who don't have it. - MMilitia, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I hate the terms 'Hardcore' and 'Straight Edge', they don't mean anything to me. I don't live my life by the genre of music assigned to a particular band I like. That said, Thowdown have written some fantastic metal songs. Venom and Tears and Vendetta are both excellent albums and to write them off just because you don't agree with some ideals associated with the genre would be stupid, especially if you're a fan of metal in general.
To be honest you can make what you want out of this article, it's either a cynical ploy to make people think they are in touch with the Internet generation, or an honest sentiment that they don't care if you download their albums, because they're not making any money from them anyway. Either way more bands pushing for a reform of the music industry can only be a good thing. - ratbear, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Lamb of God now sucks as well. How far they have fallen. Listen to their EP's when they were still Burn the Priest and compare it to their latest offering. A ***** travesty.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6"We sue dead people"
- Rikkochet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Note to Apple: you are positioned to do just this.
With Apple's infrastructure and Craigslist's philosophy we could very well see a new golden age in IP. Probably never gonna happen, but it would sure be nice. - Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8You do realize that the advance has to be payed back to the label, right?
- danielsan79, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The best thing about Throwdown is the Teenage Mutant Hardcore Turtles cover of one of their songs. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxigNvJxGn4
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