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- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -4/+129Sad times, men. Sad times. Fear not, however, as file sharing is thankfully just not killable.
- explodingtree, on 11/23/2007, -0/+103File sharing is the Claire Bennett of the internetz.
- brentinkc, on 11/23/2007, -2/+99Man...btjunkie is a really good site
At least, that's what my friends tell me. I pay full retail price for all of my media. Extra if they let me. You know, because I feel bad for them. - friend18, on 11/23/2007, -1/+77Norway. They would probably let you run the servers in prison.
- justice7, on 11/23/2007, -6/+75File sharing is a hydra, there is no stopping it.
- squirrelza, on 11/23/2007, -1/+56You wank to file sharing?
- explodingtree, on 11/23/2007, -0/+46Yes.
- turiel, on 11/23/2007, -1/+30I am concerned at this for the implications. Why is it impossible for a lawyer to explain to a judge that if linking can be illegal, then that effectively destroys the Internet as we know it, because all the search engines indexing this same content (i.e. linking to it) would by extension be illegal. Whats so hard to explain about that?
I have 2 full racks colocated in LeaseWeb. My website is dependant on user generated content, which will of course include links to copyrighted content hosted elsewhere (YouTube etc). I'm going to have to have serious words with my account manager in LeaseWeb. - spaam, on 11/23/2007, -1/+23The next site will be?
- synce, on 11/23/2007, -3/+24*****, I use a lot of those sites. But I know the nerds will prevail. God bless them for providing me with free everything.
- cliffski, on 11/23/2007, -2/+23he is being sarcastic. none of the digg kids give a ***** about the content creators.
- BoneheadFarker, on 11/23/2007, -2/+20Depends on what's being shared...
- nastajus, on 11/23/2007, -0/+16Please let us know the result of that conversation. We'd very much appreciate it.
- jacquesm, on 11/23/2007, -0/+16I only became aware of this whole 'linking is illegal' issue today, and believe me it's not taken lightly.
If linking is illegal that means that communication between people can be deemed illegal, whether I use the web, my phone or a snail mail does not matter.
I'm trying to see if there is a way out of this madness though, it all revolves around the word 'link', and I'm seriously pissed off about it.
One thing though, the 'everything has to be free' crowd has egg on their face just as much as brein.
http://dev.ntlgl.com/ is my little test site, stay tuned (feel free to play with it, the dutch texts will be translated into english over the weekend).
I don't think in all my time on the net I've been this mad about something. - The_Wallbanger, on 11/23/2007, -0/+15Excuse me for my ignorance, but why has the community depended on trackers for so long? Is it that hard to program self-tracking bitorrent applications? Why depend on a web site? Build this into every app.
- nuxx, on 11/23/2007, -7/+21Kick back watch it crumble
See the drowning, watch the fall
I feel just terrible about it
That's sarcasm, let it burn
I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart
I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart
Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"
For all the years of hit and run
For all the piss broke bands on VH1
Where did all, their money go?
Don't we all know
Parasitic music industry
As it destroys itself
We'll show them how it's supposed to be
Music written from devotion
Not ambition, not for fame
Zero people are exploited
There are no tricks, up our sleeve
Gonna fight against the mass appeal
We're gonna kill the 7 record deal
Make records that have more than one good song
The dinosaurs will slowly die
And I do believe no one will cry
I'm just ***** glad I'm gonna be
There to watch the fall
Prehistoric music industry
Three feet in la brea tar
Extinction never felt so good
If you think anyone would feel badly
You are sadly, mistaken
The time has come for evolution
***** collusion, kill the five
Whatever happened to the handshake?
Whatever happened to deals no-one would break?
What happened to integrity?
It's still there it always was
For playing music just because
A million reason why
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die - benjamer, on 11/23/2007, -4/+16The geeks will always be one step ahead of the authorities... Even if it means that torrents die, piracy will live on!
FREEEEEDOM! - themoosejuice, on 11/23/2007, -1/+12Why not sue google for linking illegal torrents? ....... hmmmm........ maybe cuz they have no chance. LOL
- Kronos6948, on 11/23/2007, -0/+10Hell, Count Grishnacht only got 15 years in jail for murdering his guitarist. He's been releasing Burzum albums all through his jail sentence. Obviously Norwegian laws are pretty lax.
- yunus, on 11/23/2007, -2/+11There is always going to be some country that will be willing to make money serving a host. Perhaps Nigeria or some other African country.
- funkyjunk3, on 11/23/2007, -0/+7think Radiohead's latest internet-released album. I would rather pay Radiohead $15 than pay some Megadynacorp $15, of which a tiny fraction goes back to Radiohead. I appreciate the artists' talents, not the lofty diaRIAA exec's.
- AdHaR, on 11/23/2007, -2/+9RIP demonoid
- ne0shell, on 11/23/2007, -0/+6Watch for the rise of Chinese datacenters. They'll host anything for the right amount of $$ and your admin will most likely be 10 yrs old.
- trenchfever, on 11/23/2007, -1/+6there's always alternative protocols. like gnutella, ed2k etc. there is always a way.
- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -2/+7LEAVE BITTORRENT ALONE!! AFTER ALL SHE'S BEEN THROUGH!!
- Icyfenix, on 11/23/2007, -2/+7hey. I paypal 8 bucks directly to directors and hope they share every time I BT a movie.
Not really. But one day, if I can afford to do that, I will. - lickmyback, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5You don't fileshare over the TOR network
- aaronm67, on 11/23/2007, -1/+5And Waffles/What are both moving to alternate hosts, so neither site is closing down.
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -1/+511. thou shalt not share thy filez
- Slicebox, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4At least their will always be The Pirate Bay, if nothing else..
- BoneheadFarker, on 11/23/2007, -1/+5Well that doesn't do it for me, but whatever floats your boat...
- jacquesm, on 11/23/2007, -2/+5everybody please have a look at http://dev.ntlgl.com/ , I'm building it as we speak as a way to hit back at the ubelievable turn this has taken. Linking to *any* content on the web should be legal.
Please read the faq there to see where I'm coming from I think this is a very important issue we are all facing here. - RyanDFA, on 11/23/2007, -0/+3Why don't more trackers operate out of Africa?
I find it hard to believe they'd give a ***** if some nerds paid them good money to run their servers down there. - jacquesm, on 11/23/2007, -0/+3excellent point.
- inactive, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2Why would they want to challenge their authority, ISP's gain nothing by hosting torrent sites.
- CAPSLOCKISCOOL, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2It already is. It's called DHT.
- nakani, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2There's always burning copies to CD and swapping them with your friends, too
- DirtySnachez, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2DHT is a lot more susceptable to index poisoning and bogus seeds / data. If everything switched from trusted, modded centralised trackers to peer-trusted DHT de-centralised connections, the *AAs would easily and effectively set up massive seed-farms to poison *everything* they monitor (and companies like MediaDefender seem to be actively involved on their behalf doing this right now) http://cis.poly.edu/~ross/papers/poison.pdf
- theundone, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2I was just reading up on TOR this morning:
http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service. ...
While bandwidth on the TOR network is currently pretty limited, the concept behind it's "hidden services" could eventually solve some of these problems. For those of you who don't know, it basically just allows a web server to be hidden within the "hops" of a big network, with all transmitted data being wrapped in multiple layers of encryption, so that no single node can know the actual source or destination, thus concealing the location of the server and those using it. - monkeyboy7706, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2Good idea the hosts that support spammers can do something constructive for a change.
- jacquesm, on 11/23/2007, -1/+3sorry, but no, piracy is not theft. It is a genuine shift in paradigm that has caused piracy to be so rampant, if the powers that be had adapted instead of tried to hold down the fort and turn back the clock then there would be *much* less of it. Say being able to order all the music ever produced in the world for $0.10 to $0.25 per track or so right from the get go. Copyright is meant to promote the arts, not meant to shaft the consumer.
- Jassman, on 11/23/2007, -1/+3Logged in just to digg you up. A lot of NoFX lyrics, especially the political ones have never been so true. The Decline is a depressing song because of its truth.
- brentinkc, on 11/23/2007, -1/+3Commercial quality?
One word: Gigli - DirtySnachez, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1did we melt your server ?
sorry - theundone, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I'm not talking about file sharing over TOR, but rather this kind of technology that could allow a BitTorrent site to be run completely anonymously. Plus, as the TOR network grows and increases it's bandwidth, then perhaps it would be an efficient means of anonymous files sharing.
- quadracr28629, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Which most torrent sites do not want you using. Since they want the credit for the torrent release. DHT enables anyone from anywhere to link to that torrent.
- digitalpencil, on 11/23/2007, -1/+2Trouble is, regardless of which country the hosts are switched to, the US will pressure the company and local government into shutting these sites down. It's like Dylan Moran says, "There's countries like 'Gregonia' that sit down to a meal of boiled radiators, countries that aren't that swish, that'll do whatever America says because there one day hoping to see a polaroid of a pot of jam"
Simply switching the hosts isn't going to make a difference in the long run.. I for one vote for the 'Pirate Island' fund to be reopened! - Kier, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2http://www.marillion.com/preorder/index.htm
Marillion: no commercial backing, they live and make music using money donated to them and from preorders. They are riding the waves of this new music industry, and are doing much better for it. They own their own songs and keep 100% of the creative control. People are willing to pay for a quality product. Hell, people are paying for products that aren't even made yet.
Argument = 0. - secleinteer, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Yeah Adam's about 350 years old.
- dsm88, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Then there's Usenet or IRC.
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