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- sunnyd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32I'd protest just to be restrained by that hot blonde polis officer
- unre4l, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22How awesome is that...
It's like a LAN party but without computers - siavash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Arr, conspiracy theories... The event was most definitely not fake. I live in Sweden and the media coverage and the response from the politicians are by far to many confirming what happened.
- rauz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Browse (not slideshow) to see notes with translations.
- bubba9999, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20
Go Swedes! Our government already belongs to the highest bidder, so it's too late for us. Don't let corporate money purchase yours. - LordRahl72, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I remember buying AC/DC's Back In Black on record when it came out. Then I bought it on cassette tape, then on CD but the cd got scratched so I had to buy it again. Then it got stolen out of my car so I then decided the hell with it. I then DOWNLOADED it from PIRATE BAY. Do I feel like I stole it? ***** NO!
- spamzor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Some of those guys haircuts amaze me, hahaha typical geeks, good on 'em.
- millerm277, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It couldn't be......then the MPAA wouldn't have issued that press release
- electromagnetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Why is the green youth there? I mean I'm not complaining but, isn't it a bit of a backward way of going against corporations for the environment, I mean there are more direct ways. Unless they want pirates back in the oceans to save us from global warming... who knows ;-)
- buss, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16My favorite banner from that photoset is "Give us our servers or we'll take your fax." Awesome.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Correction : Typical Pirates
- rojaro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12LOOK AT THE DATE OF THE INQUIRER POST !!!!
"By Nick Farrell: Friday 03 June 2005, 09:17"
THIS IS ONE YEAR OLD !!! - eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Here's a bit by Andrew Cash in Now Magazine:
'Musicians, are famously -- and with good reason -- reluctant to step into the political fray. But they have watched the file-sharing debate being framed by lobbyists from the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA), which primarily represents shareholders in the large multinational record companies. And many don't like what they see.
The CMCC isn't advocating that music should be free. What we're saying is that peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing -- downloading and sharing music -- is how an ever-growing legion of fans experience their music. It has become a phenomenal promotional tool for major-label acts and indies alike. Just ask Arcade Fire and Broken Social Scene. It has also enabled an exploding community of artists with no label affiliations at all to distribute their work and find an audience.
What many musicians have been muttering under their breath for quite some time is, "Ya know, what's all this talk about the demise of the Canadian music scene? People are at the shows, they're buying T-shirts and CDs. And a big part of the reason is that they're downloading the songs. This is pretty cool.'' '
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2006-05-18/news_story2_p.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Stealing" is an outmoded word for addressing copyright infringment. Trying to equate copyright infringement with theft is propagandist and unhelpful. A ripped version of a CD or DVD can be reproduced infinitely at virtually zero cost. It isn't a barrel of oil or a cart full of groceries or a physical, boxed DVD. If you invented a way to reproduce a cart full of groceries infinitely at zero cost, would using that invention be the same as stealing a physical cart of groceries from a store at the moment?
Many anti-piracy adverts have lines like "You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag. Why steal a movie?" or equivalents. But downloading a ripped DVD is nothing like stealing a car or a handbag. It's like seeing a car or a handbag that you like, and reproducing it yourself for your own use using your own materials at zero cost to the producer or distributer of the car or handbag.
The only way in which piracy can be said to cost money to content producers is the _theory_ that downloading content makes people less likely to spend money on that content from a retailer. Despite anecdotal evidence, this remains a _theory_, and the impact of file-sharing on content sales is complicated, including as it does factors likely to reduce revenue (people pirating content and as a result not paying for it) and factors likely to increase revenue (world-wide exposure of content to a global market place at zero advertising cost to the producer or distributer). Of course, factors like the MPAA claiming every reproduction of content as a lost sale in their propagandist press releases on piracy helps them promote their view that piracy costs them money, but it isn't evidence. Bodies like the MPAA and RIAA have no interest in actually determining a realistic view of the impact of piracy on their markets because it might compromise their ability to restrict the rights of the consumer when it comes to their products. - Neronix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Haven't you forgotten?
The religion of the Flying Spagetti Monster states that less pirates = more hurricanes! Hence, a green party has every right to be there :P - jakethecake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7http://www.kma.nu/privat/piratdemonstration/ better pirate demonstration pictures, better photographer
- kokobaroko, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10soo like how many people protested against guantanamo in a country of how many milions? ...
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Yea, I may be an idiot but I didn't get that one. Someone care to explain?
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Hollywood's lobbyist and the US government working hand in hand are claiming to be defeating terrorism, child porn and on-line piracy worldwide. The US using police/military tactics along with a fistful of lawyers are attacking sovereign countries and are challenging current laws in those countries. The US is ordering them to abide by US copyright law or else. If that's not enough for you, this same gang is working on more draconian laws like mandatory DRM that's aimed right at consumers. Every time any of you pay your sat/cable TV, buy a CD/DVD (in most cases) you are supporting this with your dollars. If you agree this is wrong and want change then I suggest you cancel your TV bill and go with a free network or terrestrial HD, buy CD/DVD content used, maybe download and don't vote for people that support these activities.
- CubiX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Pirates pride parade
- seraph741, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8according to what they show us.....
how many people in a country of millions have protested the killing of innocent civilians by an army from a country that preaches freedom and human rights? - thoand, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"Some of those guys haircuts amaze me, hahaha typical geeks, good on 'em."
Also check out their faces, looks like they have'nt seen the daylight for a while, he he - cynyr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@mwales
Since when do U.S.A laws effect other countries, and yes i'm an American, but still our laws cover us not the world except with some exceptions, and last i knew copyright infringement is not one of them. BTW movie studios will still make money off me, it's cheeper for the few movies that i want to see a year to go the theater than by a big screen TV and a sound system and try and cram it in my small apartment, so yes i will still go and see movies. DRM is worthless because as soon as someone figures out how to break it every that wants a copy has it, also if i can hear it or see it i can make a copy via analog methods, not everything has to be digital. I also feel that drm will be a boon for Linux, because if it's easier than dealing with the drm more people will use it. - Unr3a1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Better Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vargklo/sets/72157594154134708/show/
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Any Audio (preferably in renglish for us swedish wannabees) or transcripts ?
- carlhungus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10"...same thing as walking into a store and taking a DVD. ..."
You analogy is lacking. They are not doing the same thing as going into a store and stealing. Their thievery doesn't in any way prevent others from seeing it (in fact, thanks to bit torrent it actually promotes others seeing it).
It's not nearly as black and white as you are implying. - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13It's somewhat disturbing that I didn't think of that when I got her number yesterday, and she got mine. The things politics can do to a man...
- Rick (who exchanged numbers with the police in case something went wrong in the demo) - eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@CatcherinTheWhy
@Spanca
please read: http://www.musiccreators.ca/ - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The demo may be small, but those are alpha-geeks and so there is a big multiplier. ;-)
Keep up the fight.
I will protest outside the Scottish Parliament. - jakethecake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://pbdemo.ath.cx/stockholm/20060603/dagens_fallman/
and this set too - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2link to piratbryan (pirate party) speech and kindof manifesto.
http://copyriot.blogspot.com/2006/06/piratbyrans-speech-at-reboot.html
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In this dislocated situation piracy is about reestablishing connections that has been lost or cut-off. By developing the tools and discourses of file sharing, we try to expand the grey zones and make room for the unforeseeable. Instead of talking about things in the copyright industry’s universal terms, and instead shift the focus to the diverse reality of cultural circulation: what we call The Grey Commons."
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"Talking about "downloading" obscures the fact that horizontal P2P-communication is essentialy different from vertical mass-distribution. It is not the same "content" taking different paths to the "consumer". It is about different archives and different architectures.
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There is a constant buzz, driven by mass media, about so called "legal download services" for digital movies and music, presented as an alternative to P2P networks.
But the aim of "legal download services" is not primarily selling movies or music. It is rather about selling language, selling ideology, appropriating the very notion of "legal download". In that ideology, "legal" is understood as "for payment", and "download" as an up-down-transfer from a central server offering a limited range of so-called "content", to a consumer.
So, we are totally mistaken if we think that we are criticising the content industry by saying that "offering legal downloads is good, but DRM sucks and prices are too high..." etc – because with that terminology we have already swallowed the ontology of undifference.
Horizontal exchange or vertical distribution? Open and unstable archiving, or centralized and limited? Those are the fundamental questions. Much more fundamental than the questions asked in the discourses about accessibility, consumer rights, social justice or compensation.
" - tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even if you get caught stealing a PHYSICAL DVD or CD, you wouldn't be in as much trouble as if the RIAA came after you for downloading the DATA off the DVD/CD. When was the last time someone who stole a CD or even 10 CDs had cops bust into their house, and charge them $100,000 (10 CDs X 20 songs a piece x $750 per song)?
And @ Spanca, sure you can have a copy of my house key, but I wouldn't let you in my house. That is completely different. If I were to download illegal music, that wouldn't give me ability to go into the RIAA headquarters.... - MajorWoody, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Check out the news coverage at tv4.se/nyheter (scroll down the page to the video links) or at
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=22620&a=603037 (click on video) - corsairstw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Arrr Indeed.
- CatcherInTheWhy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Content creators who "speak out" against the "big multi-national corporations" that own their record labels ignore the fact that they have signed agreements. Society will only work so long as people adhere to the most basic form of law, the contract. If they surrender their songs for money, then the record label has and should have, every legal/moral/ethical right to distribute (or forbid distribution) to who they see fit. Corporations feed the world, and oversee the distribution of food, goods, and even services, on a scale that could simply not be accomplished without such corporations without compromsing a free market (which, as anyone who has studied basic economics knows, can have disasterous consequences).
Whether or not the actions of The Pirate Bay hurt the record labels is irrelevant. You do not have a right to take intellectual or physical property from others without their permission. Copyright should not last forever, but it is essential in order to sustain the production of intellectual property. Without benefit, monetary or otherwise, people simply will not produce.
You can ignore reality all you want, but eventually, people get what they ask for. - CalPaterson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Because, the greens are now more than a single interest party. Often they tend to now chime in on the liberal and libertarian sides of things.
- gavroche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like the quote where it says USA stay out of the internet, priceless.
- ekso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I do mind you coming into my house and taking away my books and cds, that's physical property. But I don't mind AT ALL sending you my e-books and mp3, that's digital content.
Actually, do you want me to place them online somewhere for you?? - thinkdifferent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@deepsub
"Before computers and the internet, people shared music"
That's the big fallacy here. Sharing music. You're not sharing, you're copying and distributing music. That is the very definition of copyright (the right to copy). In the CD sharing analogy, there is only one copy. Either I have it, or you have it or we listen to the same copy in the same space at the same time. With P2P "sharing", it isn't sharing as we can use the content independently simultaneously since there are now multiple copies. That's why there wasn't an outrage over actual sharing, just over piracy. Calling it sharing makes it seem innocent, but it's still piracy no matter how much you try to whitewash it with some PC word. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 The real reason you have gotten modded down is probably that you took a cheap shot at others that think differently than you, which is typical of you closet liberals.
On another note, it's none of our governments business how other sovereign nations run their country. If you do believe that the U.S.A. has the right to force their retarded laws on other countries, then you are one of the liberals that welcome the coming of The New World Order, and the last time I checked, that is something the liberals are pushing for.So you are a liberal, a closet liberal.Just like georgie boy and all of his zombie followers who can't think for themselves. - Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.flickr.com/photos/vargklo/159349729/in/set-72157594154134708/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vargklo/159350417/in/set-72157594154134708/
Classic! - dick-richardson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't...people are associating the American people with the American government. That was fine when the American government represented the people...hardly the case today.
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Audio Interview here
http://chaosradio.ccc.de/cri009.html
digg it here
http://digg.com/technology/Pirate_Bay-Interview - badmacktuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"give us the server or we will take your fax"
what in the hell? do people rely on faxes over there? i dont think i have ever sent a fax in my life - Spanca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So by this logic you're all suggesting, I could "borrow" your house key when you aren't using it, take it to a locksmith and have it copied then replace your original key in your possession. Now from what some of you have said, that's no different to walking into a store and copying a DVD there. Sure you haven't deprived them of physical property, but you now have a right to something you do not own.
I sure as hell don't want you thieves in my house. - sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I bet Karl Rove is behind all this! He didn't like the 2006 Swedish Swimsuit Calendar either. Impeach!
- metalica77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1VIVA LA PIRATE BAY
- livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1actually if you notice i pointed to myself and said pervert
Mod me back up :) - melophobia07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1p1r4cY rul3z
- Corny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That was what is was SUPPOSED to be about. Has that got ANYTHING to to with piracy AT ALL? No, that's a purely legal item of discussion. Most of the people there were "pirates" propagating for piracy.
"It's culture. It's supposed to be free".
"It's not our problem how the producer get paid".
A couple of quotes of the demonstrators. What has that to do with the stupid, probably illegal, police action? Not a thing. Nada.
There were other groups there from both the left and the right wing youth organizations. But what was the purpose of all the guys wearing caps with the text "PIRATE" printed on them? The speech given by the Pirate Party's leader was more about file sharing than the constitutional violations.
The scenario you described is true, if I was TPB handing out the food to arbitrary people in the street. Helping them take share in stolen goods. -
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