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- addiggt, on 07/06/2009, -5/+46You're both idiots. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+48@ anicejew
Why do you still bother posting here? - Knoton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37actually Moore's law deals with neither, at least not directly. Moore's law states that technology will advance such that every 18 months the number of transistors that can be placed on a single microchip will double, not processing speed or storage. However since both processors and flash memory are based upon transistors they will also improve, but not necessarily at the same rate.
- molrak, on 10/12/2007, -12/+48Am I the only one who thought this was about Adobe Flash instead of Flash storage media until they read the article?
Granted, video in Flash today tends to be lower end (partially the fault of the codecs used and partially the fault of the transcoding most videos go through from questionable sources). But it's not inconceivable that we're only 10-20 years away from the end of the physical distribution of media. Xbox Live Arcade (and other related content on the 360), the iTunes Store, and even the Wii Virtual Console are all paving the road toward this future. - tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41I've seemed to notice that a lot of people don't like that Jew.
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16The reason he said this is because, with optical media, the DRM is a constant. HD-DVD is brand new, has already been cracked, and there's no way to easily counter the crack, so DRM on HD-DVD is now pointless.
With media files that are streamed over the internet, the DRM can always be a moving target. Crack the DRM on a WMA file and Microsoft can release an update to Windows Media Player that has a new DRM scheme installed. DRM can be changed as frequently as the RIAA and the MPAA deem as necessary.
Not only that, but the DRM on downloaded files can cause your viewing rights to expire within a certain time period or after a certain number of viewings. Remember the DIVX players that Circuit City tried to foist on the market? DIVX movies expired after three days. Nobody bought the players, and the whole DIVX idea collapsed on itself. With streaming media, you already have the player, so the studios can set a timer on their content with Microsoft DRM, and there's nothing you can do about it, other than stop buying movies and music altogether. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Look at the people about Serenity taking 20GB on their HDD, and how long it would take to download it.
Now look at how much 20GB of flash is.
The date at which this will happen is far enough forward as to make the prediction ridiculous.
Yes, it'll happen. No, it won't be in this generation. - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Where the HELL are my holo-discs!!!
- brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@anicejew and junkmail02:
You give shame to the Star of David. Stop it, it is insulting to all other Jews out there. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22Moore's law only deals with processing power. It has nothing to do w/ storage space.
And many people would thoroughly disagree with your assertions of flash vs. HD platters. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Hard Drives (spinning platter) have over a hundred times the potential capacity as a flash based device currently. And that is not going to change in the near future, even if Moore's Law remains consistent in the development of higher capacity NAND Flash.
The Sandisk device it nice, as it provides a great way for Sandisk to sell even more flash memory going forward. But anyone looking for a real alternative to Blu-Ray and HD DVD will be looking for another device that can handle the same content without limits on speed, accessiblity or capacity. Transfering that content to a dedicated Home Media box with a couple of 500GB or larger drives (and that is also capable of reading content from flash media), is already starting to be the device of choice among early adopters. - thadiusdean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Consumers aren't buying portable DVD players: they're buying 50 inch High-Def TVs. And they're not getting 480i for mobility's sake, they're getting 1080p for, again, the High-Def.
I really don't think portability and mobility apply all that well to the TV market. - Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Those who did understand divx dvd wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
- JustinPM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Where are you getting 20GB of flash for $50?
- hambend, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@skyshock21
Because everyone knows who he is. - SpoonDogSVT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13LOL, I thought the article was going to be about how the data side(s) of Blu-ray and HD DVD media were destroyed by being exposed to a photographers flash.
- vlurk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You're either ignorant or stupid. Because you just don't grasp the difference between a file and a media. Your flash memory based media, provided that it as enough capacity, could hold the same file that is written on a Blu-Ray Disc, or an HD-DVD if you want. So, the quality could just be the same: it depends on the format of your file, not the media itself.
To resume: provided that your "flash memory video player" could play a file encoded in H.264/MPEG-4 AVC with sound encoded in AC3 at the same resolution and bit rates than a blu-ray disc, you would get the same quality than such discs. - tasadar24, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Accelerating_Returns
there ya go. That one states everything is on an exponential trend. - shadowsword232, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Moore recently retracted his law and said that it no longer applies and we have reached the limit of exponential growth. There was a link to the statement on Digg a couple months ago.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's over $150 for 20GB of Flash, even at contract prices.
And making a BluRay disc is under $2 for sure, by next year it will be under $1.
This is a long way off. - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Havent read the article yet, but yeah, took me a couple seconds to realize they meant flash memory.
- mrTribal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I fully support the Kazakh government's decision to sue this Jew.
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I thought that too, and I think it is very true that flash will eventually kill bluray and hddvd. We have all known that eventually physical media will all become obsolete. Video streamed over the internet is the only possible replacement.
- dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@rockforever
We just cant have a thread with anicejew and junkmail02 without someone bringing up the holo-discs, can we? - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@sirloin: Actually, it's about $50 for 2gb of flash ($30 if you've found it cheap), not 20gb.
- polo3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In this dugg article, the words "Sandisk launched a device" should have linked to this page:
Sandisk device records live TV to flash cards:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9003006&source=rss_news50
Similar product to record video to flash media:
http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/recorder2.asp
and... http://www.krunker.com/2006/01/26/neuros-mpeg-4-video-recorder-2-review/ - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ironically. I'm taking the time to convert Serenity so I can play it on my 4gb Sansa e260.
- drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When I read the article I got the impression they wanted to start selling movies on little pre-loaded, write-protected flash drives. That would actually be a neat idea as long as they don't limit how many times it can be viewed. That would break from optical media and open up portability. No need for a drive, just a USB port.
- JoeBlunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree. This writer has it all wrong. I don't want to watch movies on tiny hand held device. Thats just stupid. Not until I can plug some goggles in that will make a giant movie screen appear in front of my face do I want to watch movies with a handheld gadget.
- stephbu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've no doubt that cost drives this argument. Optical media cost pennies to manufacture, and can be produced in huge volumes because the time to reproduce the data is negligible. This same argument also killed video tapes.
- kingygk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This sounds like divix dvd. People won't understand it and won't adopt it.
- ADDHITMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually i seriously doubt that flash memory cards are last generation, there tiny, work on relatively low amounts of energy, and there only getting cheaper to make higher memory on. and what would they repace it with a micro hard drive? that might work but thats not in the near future theres at least 4-5 years before that concept will even surface. and the greatest part is they can make a 2 gig memory card SMALLER THAN A PENNY!!
- spacecadette, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It could happen. According to Digg, 15 Meg HD cost $2,500 in 1980. Today, an overly-priced 150 Gig USB-powered HD costs at most $150. That's 10,000 times more memory at 1/16 the price. If that trend continues, in 25 years, a 1.5 Petabyte HD would set you back 10 bucks.
- jls777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damn it just let me buy media that my kids won't destroy in five minutes!
Sorry guys, but IMO VHS was the best! The kids could put in their favorite movie and I would not have to worry about scratches or dirty marks on the cassette. Now they can't even touch the disks in fear of them getting ruined before it has even been played!
The hell with HD just offer something more durable! - Brian48216, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sort of ironic that nintendo had the right idea for a while- cartridge based format for the longest time until they finally made the switch to optical disks. And now here we are on the verge of switching back to solid state storage.
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason Moore's law is dead is because we have reached a point where while new transistors are always nice, the big design problem is using the transistors we have well. In the past, it was the other way around, where people had bright new ideas, but didn't have enough transistors/gates to make it happen. But the law of accelerating returns tells us even this will get better exponentially, so whatever.
- theonlyvlad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1bandwith will get larger and allow you to dl those several movies to your HDD faster than sending it via mail. The Xbox video marketplace is pretty much what you're offering without the sending of the HD. Their movie lirbrary needs to be larger though...
- CCB0x45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A little off topic here, but does anyone remember big news a few years back about what the next format was going to be, and they said that it was a little thin sheet of clear plastic with blocked spots on it and you could shoot light through the entire thing with a reader on the other side. So it would have been super cheap, fast, random access instead of like a dvd, and able to hold like 50gb or something easily. Wtf happened to that stuff, I cant find anything on it... but I read about it in wired.
- stephbu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The DVD player just made it to the top recently. It's not going away for awhile."
"awhile" was around 30 years for VHS - boom to bust.
"awhile" for DVD IMHO at least is going to be nearer 15 years - lets say it has another 3-5years of mainstream life.
The world is only getting more connected, because of this will "awhile" for [BR|HD]DVD follow the same trend? I suspect so - XBox 360 Video Marketplace is already the #2 HD Video rental outlet (according to Variety at least), the trend on this and other devices like the iPhone, PS3, Media Centres will drive that. - DiggLurker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@kosh55
I can't speak for him, but the point may be to buy the movie just once instead of once for every device/quality/format that you want to use it on. - roguedragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, this whole idea of going to flash memory for movies is nothing new. Sony is already putting everything together to do this already.
editorial on this idea:
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=124
I'd like to see SD and CF take over as the primary media of preference for movies. :) - Flummoxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The fact that it's "so obvious" that flash is used for some media players is why people get confused. Not the lesser known uses...
- kosh55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@YourTechSupport
What's the point? If you're going to compress it that much then just get the standard def version. I bought (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buy) the HD-DVD version and it is incredible, but if you're going to compress it that much then you really won't see the benefit. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought it was about that nasty man behind the toilets in the park.
- xtarburst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1very, true I wonder sometimes why they don't make games in like SD cards? CD's and DVD's are so big, it would be nice to have like a collection of small games that you can carry around like game boy advance cartridges or Nintendo DS cartridges, hey! my phone uses a micro chip less that an inch that can handle 500+ MB of memory!!!
- subject117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Intrestingly enough, there were two news stories the other day, one confirming a Blu-Ray release and the other saying you can't have it on Blu-Ray. (I'm guessing the former would be more accurate).
- GruntboyX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think what most people forget is, that nand flash will never be cheeper than optical media. cd's are just plastic. Nand flash is much more complex. ultimately cost will dictate in the near futre. Maybe 5 years from now flash will be more affordable. but not at this moment
- danielsimon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to say, there is something alot more satisfying about plugging a USB male-end into it's quadrilateral female-end than worrying about not smudging an optical disc...waaa....
- PRlME, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My Balls
- maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Samsung, and other companies are already working on flash's replacement, expect it to be introduced in the next 2-3 years, the earliest will be CES 08.
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