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- atomicpoet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52Why can't people be content with Google not being in direct competition with Wikipedia? Google is a search engine and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. They both do different things. Let Google be Google and Wikipedia be Wikipedia.
Can I get an amen? - bostonvoip, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24resistance is futile?
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23It's debatable wether or not true AI is even *possible*.
Read up on the "Chinese Room"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Room
As such, the "Google will invent real A.I." claim is the highest grade of *****. We're decades away from AI, if not centuries. You'll have a flying car and a cloaking field first. - ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Did you READ the article? The article REFUTES that argument, not support it.
Read the article before you decide "no digg". - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Real AI is possible, but current approaches are not going to pan out. The "semantic web" is a load of expert-system level horse manure. Logic based AI won't work for mathematical reasons (although it might be pretty convincing at some point). Reinforcement systems are too simplistic, basically being brute-force function discovery. Consider also that it requires years for your wetware brain to achieve the level of usefulness that we would require from artificial AI, and it's already prewired in a large part. The biggest argument against might be the reason that the ancient Greeks didn't invent the Industrial Revolution despite their mechanical knowledge--slaves are cheap and plentiful, and available now.
- LuckieGW, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Conspiracy Theory -
Google will buy Disney and use their super-intelligent AI to run disney's animatronics... Animatronics + AI = Androids?
Far fetched? Maybe not. - markp93, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8A.I. has been 'just around the corner' since its inception... good grief.
- Novagenesis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Chinese room ...hmmm
A very flawed argument for a few reasons.
1) It defines the NATURE of this "perfect AI" and proceeds to crush it... major straw man... Yes, if you have a lookup table and it just translates algorithmically, it's not an intelligence... But that has nothing to do with AI. AI is never a straight lookup table. That's just a simple heuristic, at best.
2) It creates a fictional partition in the brain of "know" vs "memorize" without giving any evidence that there is a physical difference within the brain of "understanding" that is somehow physically impossible for a computer.
I won't take the magic step to say "yes, the mind is just a very complicated computer"
I do have to say, though, if it acts in every way like a human, one must tip a hat at the reality of it.... Everything else is just perspective, anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7im sorry but thats just plain SICK. A.I. is gonna be awesome for a search engine. here's to google!
- UltraNurd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I said it earlier today; Google -> SKYNET.
Are Page and Brin singularitarians/transhumanists? - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Id rather make out with my Marilyn Monroebot
- krummb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Didn't we see this backfire at Itchy and Scratchy Land?
- fjvwing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I don't know which article is dumber. On the one hand we have a writer that sees a collective of unorganized humans, messy as they are, annotate either everything or close to everything, with a formal language, complete and robust and consistent enough that future reasoning bots trawling this network, who haven't even been really worked out properly yet, will seem sentient. Well, that exact effort has been attempted for the last 20 years now, it was called CYC, and the project went so well it has had to change direction multiple times now, because it sure as hell en ever became sentient as it was supposed to.
On the other hand we have the article that basically says Google will never be irrelevant, and will get there first in AI, because, well, it's all these smart people, led by a formally schooled A.I.er. Hmm. Yes. Well. Just like the previous 'hard' AI efforts led by all these smart people in universities, selecting the best of the best, and led by motivated, patent-holding A.I.ers? It's been said that a sign of inanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different outcomes, so what would make this not a repetition that leads to the new outcome of sentience or great A.I., the addition of AdSense?
Both these articles are why the blogosphere gets a bad name. - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@merreborn
I think the Chinese room argument fails because given a while the guy in the Chinese room will learn chinese, will start to experiment and communicate with the world. In may take long time but this is kind of like what babies do so we are designed for it. That there is an intelligence inside the Chinese room will most likely readily become apparent this is not guaranteed however and is dependant on how disobedient and curious the slave worker/ cubicle drone inside is. Basically a person in A CHinese Room will figure out a way to communicate. - M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Now there's an idea for Google - Google Predict Beta, allows you to easilly collate all the predictions posted to the web about a specific company and will provide adverts based on that company and its competitors beside the results!
- asdf2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"As such, the "Google will invent real A.I." claim is the highest grade of *****. We're decades away from AI, if not centuries. You'll have a flying car and a cloaking field first."
We almost have both of these things. Technology increases at an exponential rate, that's why there's been more technological advancements in my lifetime than in the history of man before it. If true AI is possible, it may take decades, but I really, really doubt it takes centuries. - Scout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're just glad you socialize with them?
- oxigen, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Indeed, resistance IS futile. Yanno, a while back I saw a video that was a tour of the google campus. On one long dry erase board they had their plan for world domination sketched out. I always thought it was pretty funny, but now I'm afraid they might be serious.
- garoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I wonder how long Digg can go without using the phrase "Google's going to". So many predictions.
Has anyone ever looked back at the Google predictions and seen how many (if any) came true? - zodieman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2On August 29th at 2:14 an Eastern time, Skynet becomes self-aware. In a panic, they try to pull the plug. And Skynet fights back.
- antigoogle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3WHAT THE ***** IS THIS GUY? THE GOOGLE'S SPOKESPERSON? Marissa is not doing any AI in Google; she's the UI guy.. and IMO she sucks!
- asdf2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the first company to invent real AI will most likely be Novamente LLC
http://www.novamente.net/partners/
or the Singularity Institute
http://www.singinst.org/ - phantom_mullet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmmm..."real artificial intelligence"...seems like a bit of an oxymoron to me...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hey!!!!! did Walleyvag . er.. I mean Valleywag just piggyback its way to 1350 diggs on top of my post?
bwahhahaha
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Marc - Hakai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well think about it...Google is probably the closest thing we have to a Cyberdyne systems right now.......
They're basically a major hub on the net, and they have tons of tools at their disposal. - DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When someone figures out how to grow a bunch of neurons and get the initial biases right everything before it will look like a squirt gun. Of course everyone will proceed to freak out and pass lots of laws banning the practice on ethical grounds. Then we'll *really* know we've hit strong AI.
- Dr.House, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this scares the ever living ***** out of me, it really does.
- Hakai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you know that's funny...this is exactly what i used to tell people and they'd look at me funny.....
lol - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What does Google mean about real A.I. are the folks that write this article know a bit about A.I.? Semantic bookmarking and RSS feeds are not A.I. Google does not even scan well email containing executables masked as txt or doc files, I really am laughing right now, for all those that think google really exploits principles of machine learning and A.I., Google is a search Engine not a problem solving framework. Google does not even use neural network learning algorithms to compress data or to provide spam filtering, google just buys other guys companies and is really becoming a head-brain to investors seeing all that click fraud in google ad- sense, I don't say I will stop using Google, but for christ sake, don't pretend that google will ever use A.I. as resarching projects do in the real world.
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.google.com/search?q=define+comma
"a punctuation mark (,) used to indicate the separation of elements within the grammatical structure of a sentence"
i'm not sure.. but i think there might be a period or two missing.. all in all, it was very difficult to interpret - mranissimov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://singinst.org, donate now.
- xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Your attempt at being a machine fails due to poor spelling. Sorry.
- o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Someone has some amazingly high confidence in Google to say they will invent real AI. We don't even know if that's possible yet. If it is, it's probably very far in the future.
- xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the reason why AI has always been just around the corner is the ease at which we believe we understand intelligence. We hardly have a grasp of intelligence, in my opinion, yet people intuitively can tell if something is an intelligent action. Defining intelligence to the degree of programming it is a different matter. It is this latter matter that has caused AI to take a long time. It takes minimal thought for you to get up in the morning and brush your teeth, yet programming a machine to do the same thing is much harder.
- Hakai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I still say "Mark my words" Google is the closest thing we're gonna have to Skynet......
And i always said "If google decides to make an AI...we're in the can......"
Well crap. - b7j0c, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yes. valleywag is basically an ongoing blog of one man's obsession with google, wrapped up in smarmy gossip talk to somehow obscure this psychopathic obsession.
- neonoodle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Phew, glad that it's cleared up that Google's gonna invent real A.I. Well, MIT, Carnegie Melon, USC and the hundreds of other AI programs out trying to invent real A.I., you could just quit, because Google is gonna do it. I myself am going to invent a toaster where those variable toast settings actually mean something instead of "not toasted at all" or "burnt to a crisp."
- pcheaven2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I believe there is a significant difference between an "Artificial Intelligence" and an "Intelligent Search Engine". The later being what Google is working on, currently. While there "Intelligent Search Engine" will share some AI aspects it will not by any means be SELF-AWARE, just able to make INTELLIGENT DECISIONS based on SET PARAMETERS. Where as an ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE is not only SELF AWARE but it is capable of MAKING DECISIONS for itself with or without predefined parameters.
I believe Google will begin Beta Testing a new "Intelligent Search Engine" within the next 6-9 months and likely have it LIVE within 2 years.
With that said, Google upon completing that task will be in a very good position to develop a TRUE AI. It will already have a good start and established code base for its programmers to build from. However, it likely will be 20-50 years before any A.I. becomes SELF-AWARE. Personally I relish the day that an incredible powerful SUPER COMPUTER becomes SELF AWARE. Imagine the mysteries it could solve that may take humans hundreds or thousands of more years to solve. - lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Artificial Intelligence? Finally, something that can teach me how to play chess!
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One does not PLAY chess, one tosses the heavy pieces and bonks the competition senseless.
- LovellDigg, on 09/18/2008, -0/+1Through extensive coding, Google has already emerged as America's most efficient search engine (and soon the world although Yahoo is currently at the top). They've already shown their mastery of semantics, with being able to customize search results to each specific user (through yet more complex coding and algorithms). Their efficiency has lead to a dramatically increased budget and smarter employees. With this, it is almost a certainty that it will be at the forefront of the AI race. We may enter Web 3.0 quicker than most think riding on the back of Google's aspirations.
- futurepastnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd take a Marissa Mayerbot.
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The hunting of the A.I. snark has reaped incredible rewards. Expert Systems, Vision Recognition, the Mars Rovers, Chess Playing Computers & insight into how little we really know about what Intelligence is. Machine Intelligence has benefitied greatly from A.I.'s methods.
The semantic web is designed to be trawled by bots, the semantics are there for machines and you can bet Google will be writing excellent spiders for WebWideSemanticWeb (wwsw.google.com).
I do not believe in Silicon based life, Will will not emerge until we introduce wetware such as the cube of rat neurite that flies a flight sim over in a lab in Georgia.
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65438,00.html
It may be the case that many people come to believe that they see something on the net, feel a prescence or sense cognition - web images spontaneuosly emerging like the face of Jesus on a piece of toast or William Gibson's Loa of Cyberspace. As William predicted A.I. will emerge cybernetically i.e. when we have really really good interfaces. - CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google to invent AI ?!?!? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
oh god, what a laugh. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah krummb, that was in Itchy and Scratchy land.. but I bet you didn't know it was a movie parody. The 70s film West World was the first to show AI androids run amok.
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Whether an A.I. will emerge from the google database of the semantic web depends on which answer better passes the Turing Test :
a) Why Natalie, my favourite colour is blue.
b) What the...why do you want to know ? Who the hell are you anyway ? - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1According to Searle the difference between man and machine is:
# Computer programs are entirely defined by their formal, or syntactical, structure.
# Minds have mental contents; specifically, they have semantic contents.
But I bet when we get there we will see the cogs spinning and say hey this is not us we are yet something more.
Of course the conversly logical positivist view of the Turing Test would suggest that platform independant entities have already been created in the form of institutions and corporations and that all that matters is the effect not the internals workings. I think the question is does awareness really help; or does LINUX really need to be self aware, isn't that just bloat ? - Endomorphic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Googlenator-1000?
- GottIstTot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"As such, the "Google will invent real A.I." claim is the highest grade of *****. We're decades away from AI, if not centuries. You'll have a flying car and a cloaking field first."
Well then, time to rain on your parade.
I don't know if you follow the news but...
One invisibility cloak... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/26/cloaking_metamaterials/
And a flying car ... http://www.moller.com/skycar/
There you go, now will google have AI. Yes they already do. Is it conscious? Who cares? Either way, AI will do for humanity what outsourcing did for the IT field... It will really make you wish you had majored in Art and not CS. :) - fauster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Common! The AI conclusion in no way follows from the postulates? Google has the most money, smartest people and is industry leader, therefore this company is the one that will develop revolutionary new technology and algorithms? New ideas come out of left field, not out of the board room. That said, AI is possible, and it will happen as soon as computers can store state vectors that can characterize a human brain (300 trillion dendrites+). Meanwhile, the Chinese room article has convinced me that I don't actually understand English! I would argue that the Chinese example only shows that the Turing test is an inadequate test of AI. E.G... every possible one hour conversation can be stored in a computer that's big enough. But the Chinese room argument is silly. 1st it postulates that the brain is only a lookup table, then it implies that consciousness/intelligence is a homonculus in a control room with independent sensory information. As mentioned earlier, it postulates a particular implememntation of AI as the only AI to debunk. And, with no sensory info, this homonculous can never subjectively understand the color green. Big deal, this says nothing about AI.
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