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- pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Is it really necessary to use a dollar sign every time you write MS? We are aware that they are a company. We are aware that they are out to make a buck.
Are you implying that Google isn't interested in making money? Was that an oversight?
Maybe we should start spelling it Goog£e? Or Googl€? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+40aww.... boo hoo.
You got modded down, get over it. - firstdueco41, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Are you kidding? Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) has the entire corporate world all FUBAR with their regulations; most of which were unintentional at SOX's inception. I'd agree that SOX has no provisions for hosted applications as those applications don't lend themselves to information integrity and security. The SOX rationale, alone, is a show-stopper for the corporate world...especially in this Enron/Tyco litigiously charged world...
- BlueLaser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Thank you! This is definitely -not- competition for Office. This is -maybe- competition for Outlook only (and weak competition at that). It is only providing calendar, email, chat, and "front page" in a "co-branded" solution (read: your company logo can be placed on the page). These applications are still very separate and still in desperate need of integration (especially Gmail and Calendar!).
I'm looking forward to -real- integration of Writely, Spreadsheets, Gmail, and Calendar. Only then will Google offer minimal competition for the most basic Office offering. - cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11One reason why I and many others won't use Google office
my CTO will refuse to use anything other than MS Office and Exchange - sdub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I use Gmail for domains for my PERSONAL email account.
I ponied up the 8 bucks for a domain name, and my IP address is stable enough to run a webserver... but not nearly stable enough to run a reliable DNS or mail server. ZoneEdit fills the DNS gap, and now Gmail for domains fills the mail server gap. It's really a great combo. I couldn't give a damn about Google writely or chat or any of that other junk. - misteral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I think the author was bang on, but unfortunately before setting out to write it he had it in his head that there would be 5 reasons you'd want to use it.
"Because you really, really really want Google Talk to be successful. Really."
So there are 4 reasons I'll use it, and 5 I won't. Thanks. - phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I think the biggest reason that I wouldn't be using this is too often is because my internet goes down more than my hard drive messes up. Although I do see some usefulness in the colaberation features...
- oGMo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yeah, but if Google gets big-$$ servers out the door so the big corporate places can do their own hosting, it wouldn't be so bad. Especially if it was a plug-and-go type solution. No figuring out licensing or distributing software or making sure all the boxes are updated to the latest patch... drop the server on the network and everyone can start using it.
Ah Web 2.0... the new X Terminal. - Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17umm... thats not "office" as M$ is "office" there's no actual applications for creating word, excel, etc. Its just gmail, google calendar, google talk, and google page creator. These aren't "office" apps.
Its really google online apps. vs. M$ Live - ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Why not just: Cause it's Google. Not many reasons better than that.
- Lemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Google are trying to OPEN chat, the same way email is open now. You don't have to USE gtalk but at least understand what they're aiming for.
Trust me - even if you don't know it, you do really want Gtalk to succeed. - BlueLaser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5...and digg's editing feature cut me off.
Re-posting: The Google products are being offered as a "co-branded" solution (read: your company logo is on the page). They are -still- in desperate need of real integration (especially Gmail and Calendar!).
I'm waiting for Google to get their act together and integrate Writely, Spreadsheets, Gmail, and Calendar. Only then will they have an offering that competes with the most basic Office offering (Word, Excel, Outlook Express?). Still a ways off from competing with PowerPoint, Publisher, Access, Visio, InfoPath, and "business class" Word and Excel docs. - Rangoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Google Office is coming, just wait. Its a damn good idea if its free.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Article hit the nail on the head saying these apps "cater to the soccer mom".
After that it turned into baseless MS-bashing with some very strange hypocricy.
MS SharePoint guy says this new offering is like a "patchwork / frankenstein" and that shows how out of touch MS is??? Someone buy the author a fricking dictionary.
He then goes on to say "string them together like a makeshift raft" and somehow fails to see the similarity between what he said and what he claims makes MS so out of touch.
It's also worth nothing that none of the 5 reasons are because Google's offerings are "better" than MS or any other available software. That really says it all. - mc4_a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I loath how that sentence is constructed: "Google launched today a hosted software package of productivity tools that places it closer into competition with Microsoft's Live products."
- joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4the one thing that is on my mind about the whole google application suite is that it is not marketed at large businesses... and maybe this is their model.
large buisnesses will always always prefer to keep all of their data to themselves and not let anything proprietary be hosted at third party sites like this. the only real solution i see there for google is to offer their web based software as integrated into something like their web-appliance server where they could have servers that would host the data locally somehow.
however I believe targeting the smaller markets first is really genius because they will empower many many small businesses and entrepeneurs to be able to do and implement the same sort of solutions using a fraction of the time and effort and not have to worry about hardware, etc. it may even be enough for larger companies to forgoe the risks of managing data themselves in order to switch to something like this.
i guess we'll see what google has planned in the coming years - chad78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Why do people keep calling this "Google Office"? There is no such thing as Google Office. Google Office would be Writely + Gmail + Spreadsheets + Calendar + GTalk + more. The More would be a presentation program, like Powerpoint, only online (like Thumbstacks.com ) a database, tighter intregration between all these apps (especially Writely and Spreadsheet) - And a one-stop-shop place to log-in and use all of them. Something like Zoho.com or gOffice.com or ajaxlaunch.com . All this does is combine Gmail for your domain with a few other services that Google has already released. This is *NOT* Google Office.
- DreadPirateWes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Haven't they purchased Gliffy yet? That's a decent first attempt at competing with Visio. (gliffy.com)
- Poco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This will be the killer app when Google starts selling server boxes with all these apps included that companies can incorporate into their network.
Imagine if they encorporated GMail+Calendar into their search appliances. That would be a huge blow to the Outlook market. - mc4_a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There are plenty of publicly traded companies that use hosted applications. Obviously, they need to meet some pretty strict security standards, but they're out there.
- apocalizer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Same here. If you're afraid of being hunted down for not owning a business, get a free Cafepress T-shirt store and link your domain to it and call yourself "CEO and Chief Creative Manager" when asked what your position is, and you've got yourself 25 free e-mail accounts for personal, business, spam, etc. Works just great. That's what I did, except I actually put effort into my store and it makes money...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3opes, dear child, first, you are confusing this service with office suites.
Second, do not use the noble "*****" when people mod you down because your comment is out of this world and has nothing to do with the post. - goodnewsevery1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ah its the return of the main frame/thin client model. The main frame is back and boy is it pissed.
- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think some people think that Google is trying to be everything to everybody /right now/. I don't think that's the case. I think they're happy to have early adopters (mostly techies) whilst they improve the service. Was Microsoft Office most useful on Day 1? Of course not, it took several revisions for it to integrate well and in a useful way.
Google (or more accurately those companies they acquired) and to a lesser degree Microsoft Live are ahead of the game as I see it. They're developing services that will be useful to address a core user need when it arrives: omnipresent data accessibility. When that need arrives the services will integrate well together and be available on many platforms. Until then nay-saying what they're trying to do doesn't really achieve a lot.
[/rant] :-) - smtelegadis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Lets see more OFFICE products this stuff should be called ISP services.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Noooooo you're wrong. He personally uses it and all of his friends use google talk so that's a huge success too!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111
- Dotnetsky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3How about Goo$le, or perhaps G$$gle? Looks just as idiotic and inane as M$ to me.
- MarkHarrison, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Your passwords are your birthdays, in numbers, are we aren't permitted to change them"?
Let me tell you a little story, about a student (definitely not me, oh no) about 15(ish) years ago.
At the beginning of the student's second year, he noticed that all the first year engineering students had been given the same password. He got together in the computer room (this was before student rooms were networked / wireless networks) with a couple of his friends, and between them they wrote a little program.
The following morning, the sysadmin for the engineering department received about 130 copies of an email, which read "I have been given a stupid password and it seems likely that my account has been compromised."
This story being set in England, the student's professor and the student had a quiet conversation about this, all phrased very circumspectly about things that "might have happened", which ended up with the student being offered sherry, promising that he wouldn't do such things again, and the professor making it rather clear that he was pleased that someone had drawn attention to such a stupid sysadmin policy.
The student's name is left as an excercise to the reader :-) - NervousDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Someone who chooses to use Exchange and Outlook as a CTO isn't lazy, it's what an organization has purchased, invested thousands of dollars in licensing and installation. Now, if an organization were just starting out, and trying to host their own mail, and not look at alternatives to Exchange, then that's their fault.
- Maniaca, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And his name was....Harry Potter!
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use GMail for my Domain for my own domain as well. It's nice.
I haven't had much need for the calendar stuff yet.
The Google Talk stuff works, but I'd need a real DNS that can support SRV records to use it properly.
I like that they now have added the Page Creator stuff into the "for your domain" apps. I can't think of a use for it at the moment, but I'm sure I'll come up with something. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Hankosky
As the article states, you're pre-approved for G.A.Y.D. - KF6BBL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes mort, spreadsheets is partially what the article is about.
Re: your CTO, I have a low opinion of anyone that refuses to uses anything but Office and Exchange server. That is lazy. He needs to open his eyes, learn new things, and stop being afraid. - cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the page that the article links to ( https://www.google.com/a ) doesn't include spreadsheets and reading some of the comments in here seems like a lot of people are unaware of them.
- ioannusdeverani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By the way: why did I get dugg down?
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Marked as Inaccurate.
Reasons You Will (and why they're wrong)
1. You should use Google with MS office. BUT WHY, DAMMIT. This is not a reason.
2. Um..what? You don't need a server to use MS office or Openoffice. You *will* need a server for internet access unless you're small enough that you can use a router or switch. MS is cheap for small businesses, openoffice is free. Neither has ads, and neither attempts to read your documents, not keep them on their servers indefinitely.
3. Um...no. MS Office does too, and it's already being used by big companies. Now you have to pay the costs associated with switching to a new process AND the costs associated with bringing it up to what you used to have with the old process. In other words, money that doesn't need to be spent.
4. Not if I'm a business I'm not. Hell, there are plenty of services for personal use right now. Like Gmail, Gdrive is just hype with few if any revolutionary aspects, and all of the potential for data mining.
Reasons You Wont (and why they're wrong)
2. Um,, what? Files are generally stored offline unless there is a compelling reason to store them online, precisely because people don't want to be dependent on the network to access their files.
And if you think MS Office is a pain to use, you either aren't using it right, or you don't know what you're doing. Of course, MS office isn't targeted toward programmers who like using vi, it's targeted toward normal computer users who would rather work on their content than waste time figuring out how to get it done.
4. Are we talking about the same Google apps? Sure, they aren't all one big program like OO is, but they are integrated in a bunch of little ways (that make things easier but don't really matter). Like MS Office, Google apps focus on getting ***** done, they just have a far narrower range of what you can get done.
5. No, no they don't, and if you think this, you very seriously misunderstand the law. S-O requires you to keep documentation, and backup of all documentation. In fact, this is probably one of the biggest selling points for Google; they keep the backups for you so you don't have to worry about it. - Yashu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Office IT support can barely maintain consistant WAN intranet uptime. I am not going to trust mission critical work on something that relies on internet access... noway jose'... nobody but the IT guys get fired for saving to the corporate LAN... (I am not in IT anymore) If the LAN goes down, it's not my problem, and also not my fault if data is lost.
- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1www.salesforce.com is a prime example of a successful hosted service for enterprises.
- fantasticjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Truthfully I would rather see an downloadable version of the Office apps from Google. Online apps are great, when you are online. But whenever you are not connected to the Internet you can't access or work on your docs? I would rather see a model where the docs are stored locally and synced with online copies and you can edit them in a browser or with the local apps.
I get disconnected from Google Spreadsheets too often and it is slow to update sometimes. Anyone else have similar issues with google spreadsheets? - rhowell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google Spreadsheets don't appear to support the Open Document... yet. I bet they will soon enough.
- ricky1146, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ok this is way way wrong
Sarbanes-Oxley or other industry regs prevent you from even considering using hosted apps.
Why in my domain does it say this?
Require a password change when new or updated users sign in.
I have an idea Update the profile every 90 days. Or per semster.
Do i need to say ITT Tech does not follow Sarbanes-Oxley at least at the student level Our passwords are our birthdays. in numbers and we arent permitted to change them. - jmhacc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1www.google.com/a/
- compwizz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Here is the link:
https://www.google.com/a/ - ioannusdeverani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Bumbobway: why do you have to talk in pairs?
The only reason I disagree with #5, is that I like Google Talk, but I don't dogmatically "really want Google Talk to be successful. really". If another company comes around with a better alternative, still integrates nicely with Gmail, I am fine. - RealDCC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hum. I have a number of computers, and really don't want to spend $$$ for MS Office on each. Judicious use of Open Office covers my needs quite well - especially in the db and slide generation roles.
However, it will be interesting to see what the Google offering will become. - eddigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This article is just crap. Sorry I spent the time reading it. Save yourself the effort.
- joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5reason #4 of won't
The Google apps aren't completely integrated with each other.
they hit the nail on the head there.... i'm sure google is well aware of this and once they release this integration that you will all collectivley crap your pants because it will be awesome, and hopefully free.
then google will become this giant massive all-in-one anything you want it to be web application.... what will you build with your google? - devfeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Really good. Host is down.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1AH HAHAHAHAHA AHA HAHAHA dude opes you got pwned HAHAHAHA!!!!!
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