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- KrazyMon2, on 08/22/2008, -5/+128Sounds great but does anyone know when they are going to release Firefox 3.1?
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -4/+121I love computers
- roxgod666, on 08/22/2008, -3/+78he didnt say the year did he
- daveisfera, on 08/22/2008, -0/+71So next week?
- cdawzrd, on 08/22/2008, -3/+72What people should realize is that this is not just a speed increase that will make Gmail work faster... this is a MASSIVE increase in the speed of Javascript processing loops, meaning we could see applications emerge in Javascript that before we would never think possible on the web (again)
- luserspaz, on 08/22/2008, -0/+67"In a few months" is the best estimate you'll get.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3.1/Schedule - KnightMareInc, on 08/22/2008, -4/+69ff3 will get even faster? nice
- rockrapdude, on 08/22/2008, -3/+68Looking at Digg comments will be a dream after that performance increase.
- cdawzrd, on 08/22/2008, -0/+54Pretty much every time you interact with a website and it doesn't load a new page, that's JavaScript in action. It often does invisible things behind the scenes as well. So, Digg, Gmail, and every other application where you can "do things" without a page load (Facebook, Youtube, and many many more sites). The speed increase will depend on what the scripts are doing (although there will be a slight "general" speed increase) as this new technique is most impressive when applied to lots of loops. Digg comments will probably be sped up a bit :-)
- CobaltBlue, on 08/22/2008, -4/+56Turtles are sooooo much better.
- aqzman, on 08/22/2008, -4/+44I'm an Opera user myself, but this is great. Moves like is force other browser makers to step up and do the same, or risk becoming obsolete. I can't wait to see this implemented, hopefully the Mozilla team do a great job and it really speeds browsing up!
- Unnis, on 08/22/2008, -5/+42while(1) { alert("I now lock-up your browser 20 times faster"); }
- DarkredDragon, on 07/07/2009, -5/+42Nice I cant wait for FF3.1
- skip694, on 08/22/2008, -2/+36Finally, I have noticed this as an issue, particularly when you have several tabs open.
- scy1192, on 08/22/2008, -6/+39It really needs it.
- craigharley, on 08/22/2008, -1/+29Firefox rocks as it is. Firefox 3.1... can't wait. :)
- TheSwashbuckler, on 08/22/2008, -4/+31Good, Digg kills FF.
- KMartSheriff, on 08/22/2008, -2/+24I am completely clueless as far was what Javascript is used in. What would we see a huge speed increase in? Digg? Gmail?
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -0/+17We're sorry that Internet Explorer 7 disappointed you. Us too.
- Barbas06, on 08/22/2008, -7/+24Sometime in August if they stay on schedule
- Sashwan, on 08/23/2008, -0/+17Gotta love the names - SquirrelFish and SpiderMonkey
- natmaster, on 08/22/2008, -2/+18"Before the end of the year"
So given Mozilla's history, maybe December? - joebdii, on 08/22/2008, -2/+18runescape is java. not javascript.
- Nouman6, on 08/22/2008, -3/+19How soon until Microsoft gets spokesmen for IE?
George Costanza ... - championchap, on 08/22/2008, -2/+18Correct me if i'm wrong.. but isnt Python a server side script?
JavaScript is client side.. two entirely different uses. - mvent2, on 08/23/2008, -0/+15No, this is much much MUCH faster. Squirrelfish is a bytecode interpreter which is what Firefox is using now. This is switching to tracing which is what modern JVM's use and is actually competitive with compiled C in terms of speed.
- fmorel90, on 08/22/2008, -1/+14On the 31st at 11:59pm?
- gofrance, on 08/22/2008, -2/+14"They are concerned that sophisticated web applications are being held back by the limitations of JavaScript interpreter performance"
well this is awesome, but even more frustrating because no matter how fast FF can go, there are still about 50% of the people out there using IE. Yeah you can say "f**ck them", but if you're seriously thinking about launching a big user-based website, you can't neglect such a big amount of users. And so that's why we still can't use position:fixed, opacity effects and other cool stuff like that, supported for ages by other browsers, because no matter how many things they'll fix in IE8, there are still about 25% of internet users using IE6, a f**cking eight years old browser that was already outdated when released - Hello1024, on 08/23/2008, -0/+11I don't yet know why that bug hasn't been fixed. No content on a page should be able to crash or make the browser unusable. That code snippit makes a modal window that effectively makes the browser unusable. Mozilla seriously needs to come up with a fix - for example a button that says "stop javascript" which will prevent any further javascript executing on that page.
Likewise for scripts that take more than 3 secs to execute, and scripts that consume more than say 20MB of RAM. - Scaryclouds, on 08/23/2008, -0/+10You're totally right, but at least this increased performance of Javascript in other web browsers will force Microsoft to build faster Javascript interpreters in order to remain competitive in the browser market. Obviously this will do nothing about the IE 6 users (which unfortunately I use at work), but as computers are replaced and updates intentionally/accidentally applied that number will become smaller and smaller.
- arj03, on 08/23/2008, -2/+12No sir. Python (django) for backend and javascript for frontend :)
- KMartSheriff, on 08/22/2008, -2/+12Isn't the next Safari release supposed to have similar improvements in Javascript? I know I remember reading about it somewhere. In any case, awesome news!
/honest question, not trolling
EDIT: Nevermind, should have read the article first.
"Apple has also been implementing some extremely impressive JavaScript performance improvements with its compelling SquirrelFish virtual machine engine, which will be included in Safari 4. Like Mozilla, Apple says that the current performance gains delivered by the latest optimization techniques only scratch the surface of what is possible." - sanman, on 08/23/2008, -0/+9hopefully then firefox won't stall on those heavy Digg pages
- Appleologist, on 08/22/2008, -1/+10Is this similar to Webkit's squirrelfish interpreter?
- blapierre, on 08/23/2008, -1/+9"MSIL? You were writing a .NET compiler within 10 weeks of starting a course?"
Yes. Check out http://www.ics.uci.edu/~franz/Site/f07ics142a.html ... specifically homework 5. I took this course several years ago, but it looks like it is basically the same. Each homework builds up to the final full fledged MSIL compiler. First you build your scanner, then parser, then compiler that generates MSIL. Of course the language isn't as featureful as C# and the code isn't optimized, but you can run the output without modification through the MSIL assembler, run the resulting .exe and watch it do exactly what your code told it to do.
Just because you can't do it in 10 weeks doesn't mean others can't. - merreborn, on 08/22/2008, -1/+9I don't know why you're getting dug down.
This change will do *nothing* to enhance the performance of java applets like runescape. - FlaG8r, on 08/22/2008, -2/+10That's really yahoo's problem. Email them about it.
- kinseyincanada, on 08/23/2008, -1/+8when ever you load a digg page that has a lot of comments my browser always freezes up and punched me in the face, hopefully this will stop that.
- mvent2, on 08/23/2008, -0/+7Actually, its the opposite, and David Hyatt's is "half-assed" since bytecode compiling was what Firefox has done since forever.
- nathanww, on 08/23/2008, -2/+9Because we never would have envisioned that the average user would have enough computing power
- mvent2, on 08/23/2008, -0/+7Its true, they've done tests that show it. Right now its limited to simple things like for loops but optimizing the generated code has hardly started.
- benologist, on 08/23/2008, -1/+8Digg will update accordingly.
- gubatron2, on 08/23/2008, -0/+7Nope, keep learning. Although I always dream of having a python interpreter on the browser, javascript is still not there for all browsers in terms of classes, inheritance, etc. There's always a bunch of weird workarounds to fake full fledged OO
- sonic11, on 08/23/2008, -0/+7mccappy: yeah, another solution would be to throw out your computer and become an Alaskan fisherman..
- ligyron, on 08/23/2008, -3/+10Web 2.0 makes heavy use of Javascript
- sephiroth965, on 08/23/2008, -1/+8That's exactly what I was thinking. I keep digg set to load all the first 100 comments and threads(regardless of the comments rating)and sometimes it takes quite a while to load them all. I can't wait for this.
- jermm, on 08/23/2008, -1/+8This website....it's making me thirsty!
- stoanhart, on 08/23/2008, -1/+7Why are people burying him? That's an entirely reasonable time to go from no compiler knowledge to compiling a "simple language" into "usable MSIL".
He didn't say write an efficient, 100% compliant C# compiler. - Grummond, on 08/23/2008, -0/+6You've got to be kidding.
FF3 is amazingly fast for me, felt like upgrading my interwebs line to something at least twice as fast. - Scaryclouds, on 08/23/2008, -1/+7Google Maps. I'm building a realty map and I would greatly appreciate a increasing in javascript speed because my map does have some performance issues.
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