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- geoffp, on 10/12/2007, -6/+49Hallelujah! Every person that ditches IE6 makes my job just a little bit easier...and more fun.
- silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32and do what on opera.com?
download it?
i did as soon as 9.0 came out... nothing special (i had 8.54 and other versions also). i still like Firefox much more. not that opera is bad browser, its just that for me Firefox is better... and dont even let me start about how much i like my extensions. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34It's all about the extensions.
However, I have to say it would pretty nice if Firefox passed the Acid2 test. - AlexApetrei, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28I dont know man, opera feels realy wierd for me. It is a good browser, but it gives off a strange vibe ... you know ?
- RemoteSojourner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The answer is very simple. Opera is a standards compliant browser and so is firefox. Infact Firefox is supports more of them. Just because it doesnt pass ACID2 doesnt mean that it does not support standards. I just saw yesterday that someone posted a link where the support of each standard was shown. Firefox surpassed Opera most of the times. And the biggest advantage of Firefox is that it can handle non-standard broken code much better than Opera. Otherwise why else would it be slower than Opera.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"ewww....text web browsing. So you can't view ANY pictures or stuff. Wow, you truly are odd."
Are you kidding? Lynx supports advanced image technologies. Like ASCII art, for instance. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17smellinator: Every non-IE vote is a vote for web standards, it doesn't have to be Firefox. Just pick your favourite.
Mine favourite is Firefox at the moment. Even though they aren't as standards compliant as some other browsers, they have the best feature set (once you have found the extensions you need), and they are working towards standards compliance so the future looks good. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23"What is your job?"
Web design, duhhhh. - yokat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The sad thing is most people thinks IE is the only way to access the internet.
- t3rr0rz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I love Firefox compared to IE but I still have the IE7B3 on my PC to compare the 2 betas, even though i use firefox more. (I use Firefox 2 Beta 1)
Good job Firefox - smellinator, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Why have I avoided Opera? Same reason many people don't vote for a 3rd party in an election. In order to fight the market leader, it's important to throw your weight behind the underdog who can put up the best fight. And right now that's Firefox.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"The sad thing is most people thinks IE is the only way to access the internet."
Almost, but I have a different theory. People simply don't care. IE works for them and they have no desire, incentive, or willingness to make the effort to switch over. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Where, may I ask, would I find functionality similar to the Adblock + Adblock Filterset.G updater extensions for Opera?
- pyrix86, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I just dont like Opera. Im sorry, but it looks horrible. I have used IE7 Beta 2 with Vista, and was underwelmed. 30% of information on Wikipedia is false, it earns you an instant fail to quote wikipedia as a source under a lot of new, tech informed teachers. Opera and IE7 look almost exactly the same, and I 've grown very attached to my keyboard shortcuts under Firefox. Apparently, 15.82% of people in the US agree with me. And please explain, just what is Australia 'Down Under'? It's all a matter of point of view. See if you looked at the universe the other way round, we would actually be on top. :p
- Havoc114, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I'd use Opera, but extensions make me stay with Firefox. Haven't had any rendering issues aside from sites made specifically for IE.
Opera does have a lot of nifty features that would serve well in the main Firefox branch rather than added in by extensions. - Kavey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Makes my job easier too. Network/Systems Administrator. 95% of my office is using Firefox now. There are a few hold outs using IE (not because they can't use Firefox, they are just familiar with IE and don't want to try anything different), and our antivirus/antimalware software catches something at least once a week if not more frequent. Of those 5%, one computer monthly needs manual intervention to remove malware.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Viva la Firefox~
- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@walterd93:
It's not open source for a start so I can't support it wholeheartedly, it doesn't have extensions, it has a crappier quirks mode than Gecko, it uses an ugly out-of-place theming system whereas Firefox integrates with default toolkits on Gnome/Windows/OSX, and it feels pretty bloated to me. But I applaud the oil barons up north for at least trying to make an alternative to IE, it's just that Firefox is a better browser (and I don't care that it's not a bittorrent/email/whatever client as well).
Sorry for runing the reply system, it was an accident. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Every browser has to go via 15% market share on its way to market dominance.
Personally I hope that we never get a 95% hold from ANY browser again. Competition is great for consumers even if it's just competition between two free open source products holding about 50% of the market each. Choice is always good. - mookieXL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Right, it depends. I somewhere seen log from site that made it to digg frontpage. FF had like 80% there.
- walterd93, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10ewww....text web browsing. So you can't view ANY pictures or stuff. Wow, you truly are odd.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"I see it!!... I see the light!......." ** flips down the center isle of the church **
-- Jake Blues (The Blues Brothers) - Eoxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4US is still a long way behind Europe ....
- RemoteSojourner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@walterd93
Maybe he meant the layout and rendering. I think everything about it is ugly. I was an Opera user for 2 years. Firefox came out and I just wanted to test it. I didnt even realize when I switched. - stomicron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4A preconfigured host file would fix the Adblock need (as does the urlfilter.ini configuration file) but it does NOT replace the Filterset.G updater.
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I don't use Opera because I like my pages to render as the web designer wanted. Opera follows a valiant, but flawed, idea that by forcing compliance, the world will comply. It doesn't work that way. People are going to write non-compliant code until the end of time and it makes no sense to use a browser that breaks just to make a point because someone forgot to close a tag.
- johnsmith118, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think Opera is a good browser. But to me, Adblock in Firefox is better.
And more choice is always good for us users. - bejitunksu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3God damnit studentx, if I could report a person for spamming, I would, cause I've seen your comment in 7 other articles. AND YOU POSTED IT AGAIN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE!
- curtis1984, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4My website gets about a thousand hits a week, but I am only showing 2% of people using firefox that access it. Of course this will change depending on what kind of website you're running.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
So ya
Thought ya
Might like to
Surf the Net safe
To feel that warm thrill of confusion,
That space cadet glow.
I've got some bad news for you sunshine,
Gates isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel
And they sent us along as a Open Source band
We're gonna find out where you folks really stand.
Are there any IE Users in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks like Gates!!
And that one's a MS Goon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one with using ActiveX,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot! - foodbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bah, Firefox usage is close to 88% on my web server. Why should I accommodate IE, again?
(Digg's spellcheck does not recognize "Firefox"?) - nickiank, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Why not switch to Opera? Oh, let's see... No extensions. No source code. Even if you don't code, the latter point's huge, because if Mozilla ever seriously effs the whole project up, somebody else can fork a new project off of it and set things right. And the former's great, too, because its allows for interim solutions for feature demands.
- schuppe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CERN invented the internet, greenreefer, and as far as I know they are still Swiss
:) - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Except the UK? That's still part of Europe right?
Anyway, internet was a US invention people. Stop arguing about this. Tim Berners-Lee didn't even come up with HTML, but pushed forward TP part of HTTP, the protocol, the HT part being invented by someone else already. One day he was browsing a document that utilized hypertext, and figured, "Hey, why can't these links point to stuff on another networked computer and not just my computer?" Commendable but that's about it. If it wasn't him, someone else would have made this connection rather soon. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Why have I avoided Opera? Same reason many people don't vote for a 3rd party in an election. In order to fight the market leader, it's important to throw your weight behind the underdog who can put up the best fight. And right now that's Firefox."
Wow that's flawed thinking. On the note of elections, vote for who you want to win, not who everyone else is voting for.
Goddamn sheep. - noouch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hooray Deutschland! (I use Opera though)
- dr-steve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry 'bout the sucky formatting. Digg seems to love space-compressing, so I've converted the spaces to dots.
. . . . . . . . . .IE . . .Firefox . Safari . Unknown . Mozilla . . . . (others are small/ignored)
April . . . . 79.4 . . . .9.4 . . . . 3 . . . . . 4.3 . . . . . .1.7
May . . . . . 75.1 . . . .7.8 . . . .4.5 . . . . 2.9 . . . . . .2.3 . . . . (Lynx: 4.5)
June . . . . .72.2 . . . 8 . . . . . 5.1 . . . 10.6 . . . . . 1.6
July . . . . . 68.8 . . .13 . . . . . 8.1 . . . . 4.3 . . . . . . 2.7 - thund3rstruck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2there's a good thread going on at ubuntu forums about Opera vs firefox..
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210400 - fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6*Cough cough* I'll believe this when they post exactly how they went about compiling this data. I seem to remember that the articles celebrating FF's 10% share were discovered to be wildly over-optimistic because they were collected using techie-heavy methods that didn't reflect real-world usage. Techies, like first adopters, are never representative of the general populace.
The only other people that I know use FF only do so b/c I installed it on their computers for them and made it their default browsers. They all think it's just IE with a fancy skin.
When they reveal browser stats for multiple popular sites (multiple being the key word to generate a large, diverse enough sampling) such as MySpace, YouTube, Yahoo, Google, etc and analyze that data AND fight the OP's conclusions to be true I will believe it, but until then it's still a wet dream. - Dominatus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CERN invented the world wide web, NOT the internet.
The US invented the Internet.
Read and educate yourself. - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A 13 - 15% market share for FF is pretty feasible. It's been a while since the different survey sites declared (at different points in time) that FF surpassed 10%. It's been steadily growing since it first came out, and it should be getting pretty close to 15% by now.
Compensating for browser-spoofing, I'd estimate the current market share as:
IE: 80%, Firefox: 14%, Opera: 3%, Safari: 3%
2 years from now:
IE: 68%, Firefox/Flock: 24%, Opera: 5%, Safari: 3%
5 years from now:
IE: 33%, Firefox/Flock/...: 56%, Opera: 7%, Safari/...: 4%
I see Firefox having the most growth potential of the four, for the simple reason that it's the only one that can be taken in a different direction by the community (Flock, ...). - vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh cool. 15%. This dosn't help what so ever. It would be different if it said 30%.
Sorry, once IE7(vista) rolls out it will jump down signicantly. If you think im wrong, go get a ***** masters degree and call me. - manaskb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Kavey.
I wish there were more sys admins like you. At my place of work, IT wouldn't let us install Firefox or anything else. They just want all of us to stick to the default OS image they have tested and this image contains IE6 :-( - dremelofdeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pyrix86:
Where, exactly, did you see the statistics that 30% of Wikipedia is false? I'd like to see that study, if you have a link.
And, as a side note, if you don't like Wikipedia's accuracy, you can edit it, you know. I have, through my own experience, found that Wikipedia is quite accurate and contains more up-to-date information than the World Book I have sitting on my shelves. Not to mention that Wikipedia is free. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure the OP meant it's sad as in we need many many more Firefox users... it's a great start, but it IS sad that IE still has such a big chunk of the market.
- flash200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A monopoly doesn't have to be invulnerable to be a legitimate, anti-competitive monopoly.
I think the turn of events in recent years is more an indication of how much can be accomplished with free and open-source software (FOSS), than of Microsoft's position having been weaker than believed. Before FOSS emerged mainstream, there _was_ no hope for competition against Microsoft on the PC space, not when they could simply buy out any competitors or give away cloned software for free--neither of which are useful tactics against FOSS.
If anything, the fact that Microsoft has still remained dominant on the desktop space, despite the playing field having changed so significantly, is a testament to how entrenched their monopoly was / is. - mookieXL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3By your logic, percentage of idiots in USA is decreasing. I somehow don't see that.
- MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"And the biggest advantage of Firefox is that it can handle non-standard broken code much better than Opera. Otherwise why else would it be slower than Opera."
Rubbish! How do you explain that Firefox is slower when rendering in Strict compliance mode, instead of Quirks (Netscape/IE compatibility) mode? Opera is faster because the code is more efficient, just admit it!
Firefox beats it on just about everything else though. - Devz0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2that's, of course, assuming that ALL Americans use the Internet.
- thechise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This just goes to prove my point, 85% of Americans are idiots.....and by the way I am American.....and I use Firefox:)
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