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- Tankdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2666 :P
- galactus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hey kid, thumb a hundred bucks will ya, and help save the clock tower...
- MariusAgricola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most of the time I am all for technological advances....but this unnerves me just a bit. I have enough of a problem with carrying around a cell phone that could be used to track my location, but this would be a marketing company's dream come true. Imagine getting all of the actual spending habits of large groups of people. Imagine this information getting into the wrong hands.
Also, think of the savings a super market can find if they combine this technology with the self checkouts. Add in some tazer-toting security bots, and you wouldn't need anyone to man the stores! You just wait and see. This will come to pass.
That's about the time I move off to the farm... - willij, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I had a Microsoft Fingerprint reader for awhile. I liked it alot. Maybe I will get the keyboard with it built-in. The only down side to it was that it only worked with Internet Explorer. That is why I don't have it anymore. Sad really. It was a very cool device.
- ratatask, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great. Noone can fake a fingerprint!
(*puts on some rubber gloves* ...) - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Most recently, Pay By Touch announced the system had been implemented across 85 stores in the Piggly Wiggly Carolina grocery chain"
LOL paying at the Piggly Wiggly with one of your little piggies. - gusto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great, now I have to worry about someone hacking off my finger to go shopping with.
- Neptuned, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not cool , id be afraid to touch anything... some bum will ask you to hold his bottle of coke while he ties his shoe, the next thing you know you're paying 200k for an Enzo.
- Omicron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0apparently these people have never seen The Bourne Supremecy!!!!
heheh, seriously though... I'm sure they wouldn't implement something like this unless there has been proper security measures put in place to prevent false fingerprinting like you guys are discussing here. - aggrazel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0great, a ME from the past spending MY money in the future.
/looks at credit card debt
DAMN YOUNG ME!!!!WHAT AN *****!!! - DardanAeneas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's the beginning of the end! They will control us alllllllllll. Seriously, if the Soviet Union had delevoped after all this modern techonolgy came out, how would anyone oppose it?
- M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No thanks, I'll keep my privacy.
- broo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I saw some debit/credit card machines at a Kroger Grocery in Atlanta that had fingerprint scanners on the side and a small camera on the top- but I assume this is more for data retrieval after you report your credit card stolen...
- ajcannon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't use it myself, but it is actually a pretty cool system (I don't shop at "The Pig"). I'm from SC, where Piggly Wiggly is headquartered and they put some of their first fingerprint readers in at a store near me so we have had this for a while now. It is convenient that you don't have to take anything into the store with you - but it is a little wierd at the same time. Anyways, it is a good story and will begin to be implemented by more and more stores very soon. It's been very successful around here.
- catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OMG oH n0 eVerY1 cAN STEAl my MoNEY NOw AND c0nTrOL ME!!ne
surely it's far easier to steal a wallet with cards in than to fake someone's fingerprints...therefore, surely this is safer than cards? - angel.wardriver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i'd rather just pay and keep my fingerprint private! 666 :P
- kb9okb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In all seriousness, most fingerprint readers can be faked quite easily using a gummi bear. Google it if you don't believe me.
- diggbrian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds all too familiar... "Put item in tray... Item is not in tray... please swipe item and put in tray... Item is not in tray... Please ask for assistance from clerk." Except now it'll be... "Touch screen for identification... Identification not valid... Please touch screen again... Identification not accurate... Please ask for assistance from clerk."
- jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mark of the beast
- johnwp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We already have Pay By Touch at my local Cub Foods in near Minneapolis. It saved me one time I forgot my wallet at home.
- Dren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We already saw this in Back to the Future - Part 2. When old Bif pays for his cab ride out to Hill Dale to steal the Delorean. He presses his thumb onto a pad and kindly asks the cab driver for a reciept. This was set in 2015. That's plenty of time for the corporations to perfect this technology and to steal our souls. :(
- Reddog_x2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Modern day Hitlers will LOVE this.
- ajcannon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For everyone who is concerned about someone stealing your fingerprints...don't be. They have a system in place that can detect whether the fingerprint is actually coming from a real human being or not. I can assure you that this is a heck of a lot more sophisticated than my $50 Microsoft fingerprint reader sitting right beside me.
To the people who are saying that it looks like the mark of the beast...that's why I don't use it...its kinda scary if you ask me. - blubolt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Revelation Chapter 13, verse 16 - Can you say "Prophecy"?
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ha! Steal our souls from our fingerprints! Everybody knows that you can only steal someone's soul using a camera. OMG unless they're going to mugshot our fingerprints. Run for the hills, John Titor was right! Ruralists unite.
- pacoto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seems great and convenient, but me would prefer to wait sometime to see how identity theft reliable it is.
- ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When I worked at Kroger, they implemented a biometric time clock. To clock in or out for work, breaks and lunches, you had to have your finger scanned. As a precaution, they had you scan in both of your index fingers, in case one was bandaged up or something. Worked great for most employees, but some of the elderly ones really hated it, mainly because their fingers were so worn and, well, old, the reader couldn't always pick up on it. And yeah, it would usually take a while for people anyway, so long lines would form at big clock in/out times.
Other than that, it wasn't too bad. Their main reason for implementing it was to prevent people from clocking in more than 7 minutes early (which was a rule to begin with), and to prevent other people from clocking you in or out, usually from breaks (back stock was NOTORIOUS for clocking each other in and out so they could stay on break longer).
And for everyone who's paranoid about, "oh *****, Big Brother can track me now," shut the ***** up. The govt. can track you by other means besides your fingerprint. Besides, if you have nothing to hide to begin with, what the ***** are you so worried about to begin with? Stop trying to get attention, it's not that big a deal. Granted, I don't like the idea either, but there's already no way around it, so it doesn't matter anymore. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. And when someone does something to you, say, steals from you or kidnaps a loved one, you'll be glad there are ways they can be tracked down. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great, now thieves will chop off our fingers when mugging instead of the usual stolen wallet.
Thanks a lot, *****. - foroobar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0McDonald's tried this... and people hated it. Then again McDonald's failed miserably trying to implement their new IT systems.
- starvingben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Old news, they've been testing this in stores for over a year now.
But yeah, fantastic, can't wait till they're just reading your retina from 20 feet away. Either way, once this crap is mandatory - hello homemade latex fingerprints.
hokiewalrus: Yes, using your credit card is the same, except the grocery store doesn't have YOUR FINGERPRINT, we all know how much they need that. I still use cash, what business of anyone is my spending habits? And it's not like all this invasion of privacy helps you in anyway, they put in automated checkouts (which take longer than manned ones) and pass the savings onto themselves so they can layoff a couple more employees and safeway adds another couple thou to their net profit. Does it feel good to be cattle? You can be cattle all you want, but as soon as you sheeple start calling the real human beings terrorists and let the government stick guns in our faces to force cooperation, we'll be taking the stores back and we'll let you eat from troths. - Lowtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We have this technology with our company, quite honestly it works for 8 out 10 people. some people its hard to get a finger print scan. And when you do have a scan, some times it take a couple scans to register. It seems to be a pain in the ass. Sign of the beast, i don't get it? Now if they say they want to plant a chip in my ass, that's when i call it quits.
oh can you imagine the germs on that? the dude before you just just scratched his balls and scan his fingers. - brainache, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey, erm, whats all this rubish about police state or whatever; every time anyone uses a credit card, their location can be traced, and same with a cell phone, cant that be traced to withing a mile or so? Its just stupid people worrying about being tracked *now*, that boat sailed a long time ago.
As for the mugging and removing finger thing, totally agree, you can easily say to someone "heres my wallet" and piss off, but not so easy with a bodily appendage. - edlwannabe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've seen this system at some of the Maggie Moo's here in NC (http://www.maggiemoos.com/home/index.cfm)
I think it's helpful 'cause if you've got an ice cream cone in hand, it's easier to press your finger against a scanner than try to get your wallet out. - rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I want to log in with other body parts.
- vernsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A gummy bear can easily beat the system, unless everytime you use it, you clean the base thoroughly. The job I worked at, thought about implementing Fingerprint system for doors, and accessing some different other things. A tech guy came in talked about the good and bads about it, and he showed a gummy bear and did the trick and it instantly brought down how terrible the idea was for the type of security. Unless maybe if you have code systems and multiple finger signitures. I'd say go along the line something else.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think it sounds GREAT. I'm all for it. Especially if they have a multi-finger combination system.
- Dren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LoL! Lowtech's comment for the win! :D
- martinj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great, were going to have to wait in longer lines while the system tries to match a fingerprint. How do teach someone to center on the core and make sure you get enough delta to perform the match.
This system has a fatal flaw, untrained soccer moms trying to place their print on the reader the same as it was captured during enrollment. This means multiple tries, and long lines.
And how accurate is it. If you use the digital persona method (binary byte stream), it is going to be a bitch to try to match if the data stream is altered because the print is not capture in the same position. Use something like an AFIS and you will not have this problem, because it looks a fingerprint characteristics and assigns mathematical (X,Y) identifiers for the characteristics. The system would identify the characteristics, in multiple positions, and perform the match.
I will pass on the supermarket fingerprint system until they can assure that an AFIS is performing the match.
Either way, waiting time will be increased. - starvingben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hokiewalrus: I understand where you are coming from, hopefully it is only a small minority of fools eagerly awaiting the "protective" watchful eye of big brother. I'm sure most have learned from history that, if given the power, government will most likely use it against you instead of to protect you.
There are already stores which do not take cash, and considering the popularity of the euro, the decline of the US dollar, and the passing of CAFTA it is easily possible that an american continent currency will soon be proposed -- and considering the lifestyle of most americans it even seems possible that most stores will opt to switch to all digital payment systems to save the trouble of accepting different currencies. As far as fingerprints being more secure there are two issues - for one, anyone in technology knows that nothing is secure, when your credit is stolen you can change your number or cancel the card, if someone gets your biometric fingerprint data (let's say, they steal it from the oh so secure grocery store) you can't change your fingerprint, you are screwed, and if you have ever been a victim of "identity theft" you know how clear it is that the gov and credit bureaus couldn't give less of a rats behind when your privacy and finances are compromised.
Second issue - this is personal information and we are human beings with rights to our personal information. Your DNA, Blood type, biometric retina make-up, biometric face make-up, and fingerprints are personal aspects of your body which should only need to be submitted to a governing body if you are a criminal.
As far as I can tell this is just another way of dehumanizing the general public, brought on by illegitimate governments (at least as far as microchipping, look up mexican gov chipping employees) and illegitimate corporations. The ruling class in the US and the rest of the world (look up cecil rhodes, round table groups, ect.) sees us as cattle or slaves, they feel that they are somehow more deserving of the splendors of this planet and we are a plague inhibiting their pleasures. These mechanisms of control have been intentionally spiraling towards their eventual hellish goal through incrementalism - like bringing the frog in your pot to a boil so slow he doesn't think to jump out until he is already cooked. That is why the argument of us already having technology that tracks is irrelevant, the same people who were making a fus about bar codes 20 years ago are now making a fus about RFIDs and they should be. It was only 10 years ago that the x-marine ranting about the gov implanting him with a microchip was the lone kook (.. though we all profess to know that public knowledge of gov technology is a good 40 years behind), yet today the technology is commercially available and the former Secretary of Heath and Human Services is touring public schools telling kids to get chipped. I don't know about you, but just about now is that time when you start looking around and freaking about because last thing I knew it was 2005, but it's sure starting to look a whole lot more like 1984. - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0stop fingering the server and touching stuff!!!
a little linux humor - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you dont need the finger you just need the server, and then you can make their finger
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is great, so now the supermarket has all your banking information in a central "secure" location to match your fingerprint with? I'm not trusting the Supermarkets network admin to make me feel secure. its just a matter of time before some privately owned stores start doing this and their servers get cracked because some one wants their free family guy screensaver, but doesn't want to pay for the update and all their customers banking information gets stolen, with their fingerprint records to boot.
- ci02be, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They have this at a local Farm Fresh where I live.
- starvingben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can change a credit card number when it becomes comprised, I'd like to see you change your fingerprint.
Also, to all of the "the government can already track you" spineless & domesticated dupes - I have one question. How does it feel to be cattle? Can you say "moo"?
.. I'll remind you at the biometric self checkout. - M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Granted, I don't like the idea either, but there's already no way around it, so it doesn't matter anymore. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. And when someone does something to you, say, steals from you or kidnaps a loved one, you'll be glad there are ways they can be tracked down."
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You have got to be kidding me. Do you remember what country we're in?
There are so many things wrong with what you said, I don't even now where to start.
I hope others don't believe that fascist crap! - iamme99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't know 'bout you but giving up my fingerprints makes me feel like a criminal. I've only had to give up my thumbprint for a CA driver license. Speaking of criminals and fingerprints, check out this story:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/09/fingerprint-loc.html
I'd feel more comfortable using my signature as ID. Imagine logging into your computer or proving your identity by merely signing your name. This is possible with the right software setup. There are a number of vendors that can do this. Here's one I recently came across while doing some Googling:
http://www.cic.com - hokiewalrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0StarvingBen: I'm sure that stores will continue to take cash for the foreseeable future. Anyone that wants to remain anonymous will be able to continue to do so.
I'm all for keeping "big brother" out of my life as much as possible, but I honestly don't think that's what this is. So what if a supermarket has my fingerprint? It's not like anyone couldn't get them if they wanted to. Also, I'd think (read: hope) that a fingerprint is harder to fake than a credit card number.
As someone else said, when they want to put a chip in my ass, I'll be the first person on the protest line. - M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That also sounds like something said in the 1940's Germany.
- M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^now = know
- hokiewalrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't understand why everyone is all up in arms about "big brother" watching and tracking everything we buy. How come they can't do with now with your credit card? I mean, this is just a new method of authentication, not a new payment method. Now they'll use your fingerprint instead of a magnetic imprint on a card.
Seems like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other to me. Personally, I think it's pretty cool. -
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