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- dirq, on 10/18/2007, -0/+7The salary results were a little disappointing but I already knew that we're not paid enough. Most of this survey was pointed at salary and job titles and covered an already flooded area. There are tons of salary surveys out there so I wish they had done more on current trends in programming and technologies used. I would like to know what technologies people are using and what web developers/designers think is the next big thing. Sitepoint (http://www.sitepoint.com/reports/reportwebsurvey20 ... already did a survey like this but I'd like to have another point of view to compare it to.
- bryankennedy, on 10/22/2007, -1/+7Not that I was surprised but I was saddened to see the remarkable lack of diversity in this field with regard to gender and ethnicity. If the web is truly taking over our media world then this is deeply troubling.
- Gonz037, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5But the top percentage also says we are going to stay where we are instead of look for another job that pays more. So we are also kind of lazy! Ok, I will speak for myself, I AM LAZY!
- scarysnow, on 10/18/2007, -1/+6well, it at least confirms how poor us web designers are.
- dirq, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5Sorry, the url to the other survey got messed up: http://www.sitepoint.com/reports/reportwebsurvey20 ...
- PRlME, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4Hummm lets see cause it neat, printable and every thing stay uniformed. You sound like one of those people that thing Flash should be banned from the net.
- Dracusis, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4The last graph scares me the most. Usability testsers have the highest perceived percentage gap in Mark-Up skills!
How did they get a job without something so fundamental?
As for the lack of ethnicity diversity, keep in mind that ALA does not have an ethnically diverse audience. While it does have global appeal, it's still primarily US based, English only, and it has a very conservative while male appeal. Most of the females I worked with at University (more than 60% of my enrolment year back in 2002 were female) wouldn't read ALA, but would give plenty of traffic to more design-focused or fringe sites and thus would never have come across the survey to begin with. - andr3, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4Yes, indeed. Kudos for all the team. And for opening it up and serving us the raw data. I wish I had both the time and skills to take something ELSE they didn't already. lol
- dereko, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3yea that's the thing that struck me most as well.
- justdru, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3This seriously is some of the best information on the industry I have seen to date. A List Apart is always on top of things.
- tempusrob, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3That's when you pad your proposal by 15%, call them back up, and tell them you could have had it done by now but are still willing to take the project on if they want someone who will do it right. :)
This kind of crap (i.e. "Sorry, Joey down the block says he'll do it for $6/hr") happens all the time ... you'd think people would know by now that when you're supposed to hire a professional you're going to get what you pay for 90% of the time. - winmywii, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3The majority make $40,000-$59,999. I wouldn't exactly call that poor.
NVM the second chart shows most as under 20k. - manitoba98xp, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4Perhaps they live outside the US?
- Tabou, on 10/18/2007, -0/+2I was hoping it'd be a survery about web design practices and techniques not about the demographics (race, sex, age, ...) of web designers.
- winmywii, on 10/19/2007, -0/+242k isn't too shabby though. I mean sure everyone wants to make 100k+, but you can live pretty well on 42k.
- PRlME, on 10/18/2007, -0/+2We dont make alot cause we as a Designer community have lowered our prices anddddd there alot of high schooler jumping into web design not know a dam thing about design. I had quite a few people who said "I can get another guy to do it for $300" after a few months they cant find the $300 guy.
- andr3, on 10/18/2007, -0/+2With a tendency for developers to be worst paid. Usability is where it's at. :P
- ejde, on 10/17/2007, -0/+1Hmmm... US Region - page 9. If you add up all the possible responses, it only accounts for 48.4 of all total respondents. What happened to the silent majority? Do they live in some undiscovered portion of the country?
- wild, on 10/17/2007, -0/+1Out of curiosity, what do you guys expect to be paid for what we do?
- Qazzian, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1That's very close to the 48.1% who are in the US
minus the 0.3% who appear in both charts and I think you have your answer. - skyrocketlabs, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1True, but it's not necessarily fair, either. The 40-50k range is only an average based on those surveyed, so it doesn't give a true statistical representation of the national average. The average range in the city I'm from (according to Monster, for what it's worth) is 56-63k per year (Canadian). Not bad, but I'm making 42k and am also contributing some development as well, so I obviously love my job for everything but the money.
- achinda99, on 10/18/2007, -0/+1Awesome information... Kudos to the team... Although some of the information breaks my heart...
- PRlME, on 10/18/2007, -1/+1Q. Mr. Information Architect...what the hell does he do?
- skyrocketlabs, on 10/18/2007, -0/+0This really isn't a 'web design survey' at all, but rather a generalized industry one. Nice report, just a bit overhyped for results we get. I'd like to see a study on the evolution of the designer as a position, including salary, job expectations, skillset versus job requirements, etc.
- heavyal, on 10/18/2007, -1/+1All I know is that I'm SOOO not getting paid enough! I haven't read the whole report (lot of good info in there) but I wonder what the difference in salary is between various regions of the country?
- ejde, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1Then that wouldn't be the US Region, now would it?
- iblaine, on 10/22/2007, -2/+2Buried as useless. I thought this would be about best design practices, not demographics.
- itatter, on 10/18/2007, -0/+0it's true, they are disappointing, but also keep in mind some of the other stats that affect this-- 38.9% said they work less than 40 hours a week (15.9% work less than 30), and shortly after that 63.9% claim they do not do web work full time. very interesting read though.
- mythicflux, on 10/19/2007, -2/+1Money?
(Seriously $42,000 dollars a year and a Buick) - westfork, on 10/18/2007, -2/+0http://www.graphicdesignbar.com/2006/06/how-magazi ...
I like this one better. - peepoop, on 10/22/2007, -4/+1Why would a site like A List Apart resort to using a PDF? Aren't they supposed to be the uber-ultra-designer information architects?
- prodge, on 10/18/2007, -3/+0Well said. PDF files are intensely annoying. They're not really meant for web-viewing. An the PDF here doesn't even show up in IE7 (on my system at least) when fully downloaded.
I'm not in favour of computer viruses, but if there was one that could wipe out PDFs, I would be a happy man.
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