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- 1sttimeposter, on 06/22/2009, -4/+26This is SO TRUE.
I've never posted a comment on digg before, but I felt compelled to do this one.
I am spending about $100 a day on Google Adwords on a product for home improvement like door and window.
But guess what, I tried to advertise on FB, and I set a budget $50 per day. Next day I check, all $50 is used up. And it is only about $.30 a click comparing to Google Adwords of $1 a click.
THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH I WOULD BELIEVE USERS ON FB WILL BE SEARCHING FOR MY PRODUCTS AS OFTEN AS ON GOOGLE. NO WAY.
I couldn't really understand why! Digg me up!
So now I pulled off from FB, but I build a page in FB to help me with link building. I did the same thing to Tweeter, and all these useless social networking sites. I don't give money to them! But they help me building valuable links. I mean, look at these celebrities that use Tweeter... it's all for self-promotion while they don't have to pay a penny. It's funny the way the internet works sometimes - including excuses for downloading pirated files! - inactive, on 06/21/2009, -0/+19absolutely ridiculous. facebook needs to get on the ball here, even microsoft sued that WoW gold company over click fraud.
- StonerThomas, on 06/21/2009, -1/+18One thing I'll point out to non-advertising/anti-advertising diggers:
When clickfraud is rampant, the only thing that's profitable is scammy types of ads (due to the high profit margins).
So hate the ads you see on facebook?
Blame their dumbasses for not employing even basic clickfraud. - vossy, on 06/21/2009, -0/+15The only way FB will learn their lesson is if we bring this issue into the mainstream. It is estimated that over half the ad clicks on FB are fraudulent. If FB doesn't act fast people will be jumping ship left and right. What a joke of a company...
- GaltShrugged, on 06/21/2009, -1/+15Another reason why Facebook is unprofitable.
- KloroFormd, on 06/22/2009, -0/+12T-w-a-t-t-e-r
- shadowspawn, on 06/22/2009, -0/+10You know, nobody's really thinking of transparent proxies.
I can give you a link to click for a 1mil hit/day site, and if you are on a certain network (AT&T, TW, etc.) the transparent proxies won't even really transfer you to hit the actual page.
It's a *good* thing, sometimes, to have your front page cached on transparent proxies upstream. If you really, really need to track hits, set up a advertisingtracker.domain.com bouncer that has a header that explicitly tells proxies (and everybody under the sun) to expire immediately, and then after doing some header/db magic, redirects to a content.domain.com/page.whatever?somerandom=rnd&advertiser=somethingFromBouncerToIDtheAd
Hate to suggest it to people who are complaining, but most likely your ***** is cached upstream. ISP's have been doing this for years without user's knowledge. It can take almost a full damn week to propagate changes on heavy-traffic sites. You either expire everything immediately and run the risk of crashes and high utilization fees, or you advertise smartly by setting up the proper infrastructure. - Donfuxx, on 06/21/2009, -1/+10I agree it is a shame that Click Fraud is an issue in FB...
- DonAlfred, on 06/22/2009, -0/+8Is this their secret way to make money on web 2.0? By committing fraud?
Facebook is not sustainable. It will never become a moneymachine. It is a hyped up web-application, that's all it is.
If I owned Facebook I would sell it to a bigger company and use the money to start something new, and enjoy my life. - hawkspur, on 06/22/2009, -4/+11I see no ads on Facebook. Or anywhere else.
Adblock ftw? - 1sttimeposter, on 06/22/2009, -1/+7Well that is precisely the point! I didn't expect anyone to search my products on FB, but I had to pay $50!
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -2/+8I use ABP too but I can't imagine any ads that I would like. I hate all ads. If I want to buy something, I'll go search for it. I don't need to be force fed any ad.
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+6you social networking nerds have no clue about the real world
- e2superman, on 06/22/2009, -2/+7You do know that if FB does not make money they will go out of business or sell out.
- Taal, on 06/21/2009, -0/+4I have talked to my facebook representative about this on AIM. I always get the response "our engineers are looking into it." Angry, I said that this problem had been going on for weeks and that they owe me thousands of dollars...i just get the response from my rep again saying "our engineers are looking into it" WTF.
- DivisibleByZero, on 06/22/2009, -3/+7Facebook's actually been doing a good job of contextually matching up ads that are relevant to my interests.
- bdigital24, on 06/22/2009, -0/+4It was pretty obvious what he meant... guess that's why you're getting buried
- StonerThomas, on 06/22/2009, -0/+4That's a whole lotta conspiracy with not alotta support.
Especially since everything you say they 'destroyed' wouldn't have been able to exist at a profit in the first place without advertising. - xenuxenuts, on 06/22/2009, -0/+3I try to not use adblock, but there's always a site that has a video ad that just pisses me off and I install it again. The last time it happened, it was an ad on digg, IIRC.
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+3What, facebook isn't making enough money selling all our info to the highest bidder? So they have to screw over advertisers too?
- Traiklin, on 06/22/2009, -0/+3sure they will become paysites...with ads.
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -2/+5hope you enjoy either paying for facebook, or no facebook at all gthwaite.
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+3Without advertising, you dumb *****, all those thigns you mentioned would NOT EXIST. And would have stopped existing VERY early on.
- Zhay, on 06/22/2009, -0/+2Holy cow! You're so cool and technologically intelligent! You found a way to remove ads from Facebook. You're a genius!
- linksus, on 06/22/2009, -0/+2I cant see that happening.
Theres a small percentage of people that use ABP or alike and the people that do use it wouldnt of clicked the ads anyway.
I know i dont click the ads, So i block them. - HonoredMule, on 06/22/2009, -0/+2Yes, but you would be a normal person who doesn't think of yourself as the second coming of Christ.
- HonoredMule, on 06/22/2009, -0/+2I've enjoyed no Facebook from the beginning.
If it goes away, I'll just have fewer twits pressuring me to get an account because MSN, email, phone, text, skype, shared calendars, and some other privately hosted services I run aren't enough ways to reach me. - yerdaddy, on 06/22/2009, -0/+2That's web 3.4.1
- samuofm, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1lol, interns.
just because it says intern.facebook.com in your referrer.... might it possibly mean internal? - HonoredMule, on 06/22/2009, -1/+2He's saying the same thing already himself. How could you and 3 other people miss that?
The response rate SHOULD be much lower, yet he's getting charged for clicks as if Facebook users were rabid wolves. I'd almost buy that argument given the kind of participation Facebook draws, but most of those rabid wolves use Google as well, and let's face it...of users interested in home improvement products, which service, on average, do you think will find and direct them first: the search engine, or the pictures-of-my-friends-at-a-party engine? - maynardw, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1i know, right? oh the humanity
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1While it is not helping things, it is not as if without click fraud, suddenly sites like Digg, Facebook or Youtube would be profitable.
- HonoredMule, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1It's the lack of ability to deal fairly with reputable advertisers that leads to the mass of scammy crap ads.
If Jack Spratt is paying for fat buyers yet no one seems genuinely interested in his fat, he won't throw away any more money on ineffective fat ads. His wife, however, is selling lean of no value, and is accustomed to extremely low conversions from any source, so she'll be happy to buy scammy crap-ads to plaster all over the site. She'll just use a few naughty pictures of herself, knowing some of you at least will waste your time on her for nothing. For the people who find that offensive, she'll round out her bag of tricks with a clever game of "Punch the Monkey."
@petersoncapetersonca: Even if Facebook lost all their revenue, it would still hold great value to someone who recognized the failure as mismanagement and incompetence in the face of strong opportunity. Zuckerberg just won't get the be-a-millionaire kind of offers he snubbed his nose at earlier. - inactive, on 06/22/2009, -1/+2who would they sell out to if they lost what little advertising revenue they have? No one would buy it.
As it is now they have probably already seen their best offers. Zuckerberg has probably seen the last billion dollar plus offer he will ever see. - paradigmxx, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1Could be, but they actually have interns too.
- PopcornDave, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1Are you ***** me? Haking magazine a few issues back had an article on click fraud and a simple way to prevent it. IIRC it involved throwing some kind of error if document.self != document.top or something similar but if you've got a site as big as FB how the hell can your engineers be "looking in to it"?
- martin91, on 06/22/2009, -1/+2"We create flogs, They create fraud"
- stockezy, on 06/22/2009, -0/+0I agree!
- catvllvs, on 06/22/2009, -1/+1Unlike diggers.
- paradigmxx, on 06/22/2009, -1/+1I was at ad-tech San Francisco talking with some Super Affiliate colleagues about Facebook Advertising.
I ran into the Facebook people on the streets outside moscone center - and told them their advertising policies can lick my balls.
I've met people who do REALLY WELL with it - but they can only do it because they have to deceive the folks at Facebook with using geo-redirect landing pages by banning Facebook's referral IP to a more "legitimate" page. And it's still a lot of work - not to mention they only let you spend $300/day or so - what the ***** is up with that anyway?
Bunch of stupid interns who work @ Facebook.
Facebook Advertising can lick my balls. - inactive, on 06/22/2009, -3/+3It's kind of amazing the way that hugely popular sites like fb, myspace and youtube just hemorrhage money
- bar10dr, on 06/22/2009, -3/+3There are ads on facebook?
- ChiyaanAnanth, on 06/24/2009, -0/+0It is a shame that Click Fraud is not restricted by facebook
- Coop56, on 06/22/2009, -1/+1People like you don't deserve to use Facebook or any website for that matter. You realize that without advertisers there would be no Facebook, right?
- mixedunicc, on 08/15/2009, -0/+0do u need free Advertisers ???
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http://mixed.uni.cc - inactive, on 06/22/2009, -2/+2adblock will lead to sites like facebook, digg, etc becoming pay sites.
- biesbjerg, on 06/22/2009, -2/+1Well, users on Facebook don't really SEARCH for your product - You as an advertiser target them using demographics and if your ads are good, they might click.
Because Facebook users don't search actively, they're not in "buy-mode" like people finding your ads on Google is. - GuerrillaFeed, on 06/22/2009, -1/+0This always happens. I think this is another case of the mainstream blues. Think about it, when a crazy site like Facebook goes up, everyone and their mother wants to practically make love to it (i.e. Twitter as well). Then problems arise--either the site starts to do things to piss of its users and expand it's "giantness" or its technology has a little hick up--either or.
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