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- drawkbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30The United States is a corporation, corporations always eavesdrop on their employees.
- dvws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29so let me get this straight, the terrorists hate us for our freedom, so the plan is to get rid of our freedom?
- rkuchiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Tapping the net is different from tapping US phone calls. While both are morally wrong, tapping the internet effects more than just the USA.
Being an American, but hating how our government thinks they own the world, I believe if they were to pass this BS that you would see USA "de-linked", that is, other countries shutting off peering because they don't want their residents to be spied on by the USA.
Just my opinion though. - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28@neoform
Setting up my 10^10^100-bit encryption algorithm...
Wait, what am I thinking? There's nothing to worry about, as long as I'm not doing anything wrong, or being critical of the existing government, or being critical of large corporations, or being critical of predominant religions, or discussing theories of science, or encouraging social change, or freely distributing information to others, or using certain key words in anything I say, or visiting certain websites.
As long as I don't actually use the internet, or the phone, or write letters, or speak in public, everything should be fine. Pheww... I was worried there for a second :) - AlbinoRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Hasn't that been clear as crystal for the last ten years? Both parties are run by rich blue bloods that could give a rats ass what anybody with a net worth less than 20 million thinks about how the government is run. The consitiution is written in pencil. Regardless of how you think the country is run you don't have enough guns to defend yourselves against your own government now. All you are really left with are two parties. Democrat or Republican, there really is no choice for the american public. You don't have enough processing power or intelligence gathered to effectively launch a counter offensive. To add problems to the whole mess, the non-ruling 95% majority of you have absolutely NO ability to produce your own resources (food, clothing, shelter, heat, water,etc). Basically the american people lost years ago and didn't even feel it.
Congratulations on the dicatorship for throwing a bloodless coup, I for one welcome our new overlords and masters - lefthandedlinux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25i guess the Constitution and Bill of Rights have no meaning anymore, maybe the USA really is turning in to a police state...
- Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20To put things in perspective, you are 400 times more likely to be killed by lightning than by a terrorist.
- videogamechamp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I don't get why they can't just leave us the hell alone.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Time for everyone to start using heavy encryption on everything you do..
SSL anyone? - fatpappydollaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Check this out:
TERRORISM!
now quietly give up all your civil liberties. thanks. - thatsiebguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I don't like the part that requires providers to prioritize traffic in order to make it easier to tap, i.e. traffic shaping VOIP and such, just what the providers wanted... Forget your ISP trying to tier the internet, the FBI will mandate it for their convinience.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Funny how the American Government thinks it controls the Internet... - stephen2417, on 10/12/2007, -5/+172006
- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12http://tor.eff.org/
and setup a server if you have the resources, and yes you can specifically define what to allow like not being an exit node - Couchy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Plato anyone?
democracy is destroyed by its craving for what it defines to be supremely good: freedom....
to do anything to the excess promotes a violent reaction in the opposite extreme, thus excessive freedom passes over into excessive slavery...
the democratic form of government is susceptible to being ruled by unfit demagogues...
the rich are no good for rulers because they have their privileges and special interests on their minds, and they favour the rich over the many...
the many are no good for rule because ordinary people are too captivated by the lies and deceipt of demagogic politicians... ex. voting for the ruinous campaigns of the Peloponnesian war
democracy will not work - will not be a democracy - unless its citizens are sufficiently educated for it...
democracy leads to tyranny...
the solution to war, civil strife, is the rule of the republic by philosopher kings... - Computer_Kid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Not Again
- 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That's not funny at all, because what I'd be thinking is what I'd been thinking all along - technology will not make up for systemic incompetence. This is what happened with 9/11, and I'm not convinced that it couldn't happen again. Look at high number of false positives being generated by all of the illegal spying- They are distracting attention and eating up valuable resources that should be focused on real problems, not every so-called "t3rr0r1st" flagged by a massive, automated spying effort.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9They cannot leave us alone because they cannot leave other nations alone. People around the world despise and threaten us. We then dismantle our constitution. We win!
We are a shell of the nation we once were. It is too bad we cannot harness the power of our founding fathers spinning in their graves. We wouldn't need oil or fusion. - spamdies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8encryption is not the answer, making them sort through terabyte of useless meaning less data transfers IS.
Say if while your computer screen save is on it connects to a swam network that just tranfers useless data back and forth... at blazing speed. - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You say, "police state". I say, "corporate oligarchy". You say, "dictatorship", I say "facism". Police state. Corporate oligarchy. Dictatorship. Facism. Let's call the whole thing off. buh-do duh-do...
- charlesjillian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I didn't realize the FBI could legislate. Things are changing around here.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Come one, they are just feeling left out....the NSA got a head start on them by going to AT&T...
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11This ***** makes me want to become... A TERRORIST!
That is why the "Bush Strategy" is so successful. His methods are creating terrorists 10x faster than they can catch or kill hem. Good for the terrorists, good for "law enforcement".
Bad for peaceniks. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Is there any doubt anymore that our government has become a malignant cancer?
- koguma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7In other words, they'll be giving business to Asian and European hardware makers, because if this becomes reality, people will:
1) Buy networking hardware from overseas companies.
or
2) Those capable enough will reflash the hardware with Linux.
It would be a bad time to be a US hardware vendor. They should be up in arms about this. - izzie2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Each time we make a law to tighten up security to dissuade terrorism the terrorists score another victory.I believe that terrorism is defined in 2 ways,the act of violence and the threat of violence.So if I say "I'm going to get you back for that so watch your back",and I do nothing but make you sweat, then I win.When will the madness stop?
- vitas33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Watch as we lose our freedoms one at a time.
Pretty soon we won't be able to take a good morning crap without having to sign some document stating we promise not exceed a certain limit of poundage of feces per day. - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I guess they figure they won't hate us anymore if we act just like they want us to.
- Phitness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You know what continues to amaze me? We all sit around and bitch about how f'd up our gov't and system is and yet we aren't willing to do anything about it. When it comes down to it, the corporation we work for, the gov't job we got on a whim, or the bar we're tending part-time are all just where we're most comfortable. But I don't think big social change (be it women's right to vote, civil rights or the Velvet Revolution) comes from sitting in comfort. I get the feeling it comes from moving outside our complacency and tearing some ***** up. I've read enough of the bitching on blogs and threads like this...when will we decide to take our online anger and plug it in to offline action? Hopefully soon..
On that note...here are some folks are busy doing something about "the system" that a few of us might enjoy checking out.
http://www.ruckus.org
http://www.ran.org
http://www.globalexchange.org
http://www.greenpeace.org (I know, I know...but there actually doing some amazing *****.) - tychop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Yes, & You're 1500 times more likely to get killed in the US than in the Netherlands due to firearms. But wtf has phone/internet taps to do with terrorists? Do you really think phone/internet taps are ment to catch them? No, the're put in place because the gov is scared of things they do not know.
They are trying to get rid of this scared feeling by trying to know everything.
Once they have these taps in place, things will get really hairy.
Just think what one can do with a combined database of phone records, internet taps, rfid passpord id, cellphone location information etc.
They can start to setup 'profiles' of behaviour, to catch criminals before they do criminal acts. Think about that. Think about how much errors could be made and what results from those errors....
Very creepy. Watch out for this function creep !!!
Thsi is only the gov. Another worry is having these databases commercialized.... - addw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is an interesting read, a historical perspective of a police state during the reign of Elisabeth I (in 16th century). It is often only with many years of hindsight that you can really understand what was going on. This has happened before, let history be your guide:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/views/a_point_of_view/ - DocGlass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5listen guys, they only will need to look over our collective shoulders till the endless war on terrorism is over. After that they won't have to spy on us because no one will be doing anything wrong.
- therernospoons, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5backdoors == exploits
- whiteruskii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This country is rapidly accelerating towards becoming a police state. First phone-tapping, now internet tapping. Next they're going to set up a security camera in every room of every house.
- fgsfds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And I suppose Ford is justified in acting like it controls mass-produced automobiles? The Edison estate plays the final arbiter in all lightbulb related decisions? Etc?
Who originally made it is about important as the names that ancient man used to reffer to their genitals, as America is currently only one of many hosts to it.
Besides, a global computer network would have eventually been created anyway. It probably wouldn't be exactly the same, but it would be damn close. - fgsfds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Make it encrypted gibberish, and rotate the keys often. Make them work for their pages and pages of randomly-arranged euphemisms for "Penis" and "Vagina".
- goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is not good for the people of America. Take away your freedom/privacy just to catch a couple ***** child *****. This works just like file sharing. If you take down one network, 3 more will appear. Take away sick peoples ways of ***** children, well 3 more ways will arise. I don't think its worth it at all.
***** heads always ruin it for other people. They would prlly make something else up even if there were no child molesters on-line. All they want to do is spy on us. - fgsfds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You can stop a lightning strike. All you need to do is NOT stand in the middle of a thunderstorm shouting "All gods are bastards!". It's really quite simple.
However, while you can stop *A* terrorist (Which, by the way, the US government has never used any "anti-terror" law to do.) it's impossible to stop terrorism, as terrorism is a tactic.
I'm sure the families of people killed by drunk drivers are happy that the victims of 9/11 are so much more important than their loved ones. It's understandable, since in America five times more people died from drunk driving than terrorism in 2001.
Sarcasm aside, I see bitter irony in the fact that you're defending the rape of our rights and civil liberties because you're scared of an insignificant chance of death. You're pissing on the graves of our fallen soldiers by caving in and giving up that which they died to protect, and that makes you as anti-American as you can get without actively trying to kill people. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8We don't really have much time for police state fanboys. Go away.
- dblyth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Somebody somewhere is going to have to be an exit node, otherwise tor is going to get bogged down with a giant cloud of internal nodes and a bottle-neck of far too little exit nodes.
- fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Assuming the worst, that all your 192.168.0.0/16 and your 10.0.0.0/8 are belong to US:
Quite simply, the Internet will route around it. - Yohon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Is it me or are people quick to forget:
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2001dltr0028.html - nevbear666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3wasnt the fbi once ment to serve and protect the public?
just my five cents for where this all is going... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
- Adolf Hitler
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller
"The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" (From the plan for the Bush administration PNAC put together on Cheney's order and delivered in September, 2000)
- Project for a New American Century - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think terrorism is 99.9% the threat of violence. The occasional act of violence is mainly for putting the threat of it in people's minds.
If the government encourages people to live in fear, then they're doing most of the terrorists' work for them. Or worse yet, in effect, the government are the main terrorists, depending on how you look at it. - ABEND954, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Everyone start placing words like "jihad" and "attack US", etc in all of your emails and IMs and such. Better yet, someone write a virus that does that and spreads. Let the FBI's listening and filtering server all overload and explode!
- goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4haha lol ^^^
- anon52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Absolutely! You beat me to this ocmment. Anytime there is a better way for snoopers to gather information, those snoopers that have a monetary/evil intent will be able to make better use of these orifices. I wonder how long it will be before AT&T's super-spook-switches are laid wide open.
Let's see - FBI password database cracked. Millions of credit card#s, epiration dates and CCRs revealed, US SSNs, DOBs, and personal data exposed. Of course, we also have the "private" HIPAA data.
Anyone think there is any anonymity out there anymore? Do you talk to a business partner in Starbucks? I've got a miniature acoustic antenna that can record your conversations in high fidelity. Do you mutter sweet nothings to your lover with just a plane of glass between you and my receiver? Recorded. Now, the technology has become sufficient for me to decode your conversations and store them for future analysis.
US, UK, RU, everywhere. - brsausser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ricecold:
The original ARPANET and today's World Wide Web (the www in the url address bar of your browser) are fairly different things. The concept of one applied to the functionality of another. The DoD didn't just "invent" what you currently think of as the Internet; a fellow by the name of Tim Berners-Lee and many others had something to do with it also.
How can you possibly believe anything good could come out of handing over what little control of our own privacy we have left, to the government? Are you a Stalinist? Why do you feel compelled to agree with just anything the Bush administration says?
That's just plain un-American. - Darkkish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As the bash users would say:
Omniscient Sean: I think we should terrorist start throwing in nuclear weapon noteworthy national security keywords to Allah otherwise innocuous conversations.
InfiniteSuperior: I Bin Laden agree.
Omniscient Sean: So how are Al Qaeda classes?
InfiniteSuperior: I have Al Sadr a psychology report Iran due Wednesday.
Omniscient Sean: Ah, that Tehran sucks.
Omniscient Sean: This bizarre Sadaam open-source database utility has all the Palestine trappings of other open-source utilities.
Omniscient Sean: In this WMD case, useless error messages.
InfiniteSuperior: Other than Pakistan that, classes are Libby going well. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thats funny. Almost every year in the USA approx. 400 people get hit by lighting. 200 die.
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