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- MrHolla, on 10/12/2007, -14/+126Of course they're above the law. They manufactured intelligence reports and lied to the world in order to jusitfy their occupation of Iraq. They have secret jails in various countries. They will continue to be above the law until they're taken down.
- IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -7/+83The only way to stop this is for all the young people, especially ones who are too busy with life to care about politics, to go out and vote in every election. Lets start to make a difference. It matters!
- Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -18/+68When there wasn't a Republican in office.
Go ahead, mod me down. - thepharmacist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38Ahhh, democracy. Choose which crook becomes king, and the king will do whatever the hell he wants.
Seriously, that's a problem. - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34*History Lesson*
Iran wasn't always a threat, in fact they were a great ally not that long ago. We even started their Nuclear program all before the Iranian Revolution.
see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
on a side note I wonder if this will be modded down because it appears "Anti-American" to those who are so ignorant of our own nations history. - AHIGHERGOD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31That's our job, The People. But for some reason Americans dont care....enough......yet.
- thepharmacist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Your government only has to designate them as terrorists, and that militia will be history. Besides, what could they do ? Kill the president ? Kind of extreme and not really possible.
edit: I just noticed I said "kill the president" on the internet.... I wouldn't be surprised to see SWAT teams arriving any time now. - cheeseron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Maybe because this stuff actually matters to the world.
- sawyer3, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37when hasn't the govt. done whatever the hell they want??
- pwrstick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
There's one final check and balance. - freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27excuse the yelling, but...
CHECKS AND BALANCES MY A$$. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27So why is this happening in America:
http://www.digg.com/movies/America:_Freedom_to_Fascism_2 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"endersadvocate", when did Clinton "hand North Korea a Nuke"?
You are sitting on explosive stuff no one else seem to have have heard of before.
Please share your source!
Or is the source the voices in your head? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Good point. And America is suppose to be a Constitutional Republic. Its amazing what the press can make us believe.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19> when hasn't the govt. done whatever the hell they want??
That's the whole point of separating the judicial branch of the government from the executive branch of the government. Nixon resigned because he knew he couldn't do "whatever the hell he wanted" and get away without being impeached. The judicial branch has legal power over the executive branch, and things like this "secrecy" rubbish are newsworthy because they totally undermine what normally works quite well. - mordain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18panem et circenses
- waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Judge Dredd: "I am the law!"
US Govt.:"We're above the law!"
Judge Dredd: "I knew you'd say that ... "
Too bad Judge Dredd isn't around to b*tch smack the govt. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23"When there wasn't a Republican in office.
Go ahead, mod me down."
The spying done under FDR makes this administration look like amateurs. Not to mention the Japanese internment camps. How quickly people forget. Democrats are as fascist as Republicans. - ptbw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17that was sarcasm right? RIGHT?
I'm getting worried - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Elections doesn't matter if one part is using them for votefraud.
20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
http://whatreallyhappened.com/usa_vote_facts.html
The 2004 US Elections:
The Mother of all Vote Frauds
http://whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html
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"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society;
and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret
societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.
We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive
and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed
the dangers which are cited to justify it."
-- John F. Kennedy - aphexcoil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16The United States is a Republic - but I think you will get the point!
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage ." - jerwong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Direct press release from EFF: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004741.php
- Barmat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17The reason an independent never wins is simple. MONEY. The Rep and Democrats just have to much of it.
- yellowperil, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16didnt bush say that the constritution is just a god damn peice of paper... god save us all... or move to canada...
- ptbw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14No one cares enough to revolt. Plus, they'd just build more jails to fit all the naysayers, and the people are scared of that. Including me. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon in our Paris Hilton and Johnny Carson ruled country. No one is interested
- mikeyeah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Just another example of the bush administration wiping their collective asses with our Constitution.
- QACJared, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Ben Franklin once said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ben_Franklin - Continuum, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20turgor said
"Revolution!"
I thought they renamed it to Wii? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Ah, so using your logic the government cannot be found to have commited any crime or Constitutional violation because the only people that know about it -- the government agents who committed the acts -- aren't talking. Looks like you forgot who the government represents. There's a reason it's a representative form of government, they represent US. In any other case, one could go in front of a judge and subpoena the documents or witnesses, but the government also thinks they're above that. If the judge doesn't think there is enough evidence supporting the investigation, he or she will not grant the subpoena. What's the government afraid of here?
- Kickboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Time for a revolution.
Who's ready? - fooplex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Since when did AT&T become part of the government?
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Ben Franklin would be labeled 'cut and run' by today's adminisration.
Then they'd send him to Guantanamo. - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"I'm tired of all you bleeing heart liberals and Libertarians out there. You don't like our government, move. You don't like the military, don't enlist. You don't like the country, get out."
I'll see you on the battlefield, *****.
When you pull your head out of your ass and surrender, you'll be looking down the barrell at my second ammendment rights and be glad that I cared enough to fight for YOUR RIGHTS.
Idiots like you have are destroying our country, as much as you'd like to believe otherwise... so go worry about gay marriage and recite the ten commandments while the rest of us help save your sorry ass. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12What war? I thought it was "mission accomplished" or do you refer to the never-ending war against a concept?
- critic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Honestly such blatant disregard for the law just blows me away.
But what bugs me even more is how few Americans are bothered by it.
Are we ready to start believing in mind control cell phone towers yet or is that still considered "tin foil" hat land? - FreyrVanir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Feingold for President in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Feingold
His the only one with the balls to stand up to the White House. If the Democratic party would stand up behind him, he could get things done but they scury to their holes like the cockroaches they are.
He voted agianst PATRIOT Act(only person), War in Iraq, and has called for the censure of Bush and if they get that he want to go for impeachment. And his been trying to get stong Campaign finance reform for the past 10 years but it keep getting thrown out a one step or another. Over 90% of his campaion money comes from individuals not PACs or Business. - hankyone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12yea, what is the point of a constitution if your can modify it to fit your needs
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Whats sad, at this point the rebulicans have pissed off the usa, and if the democrats have some idiot run he will win, so i am hoping for a good independant or democrat. I dont see why independants dont win more often? why vote for someone based on party? Nader for life! i hope he runs, he could win this time, people are sick of bush, Nader could undo all that bush has done, at this point I would Vote Gore, he really didnt seem that bad
- lefthandedlinux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10anymore i have lost complete confidence in the US Government, and someone says get out and vote? HAH! i say, consider the fact that Dibold voting machines are worse than an unpatched MS-Windows box and easily exploited with a laptop or PDA, (blackboxvoting.org) i think the entire executive branch of the US Government is corrupted beyond any redemption and it would tickle me to see the US Armed Forces to march in to Washington DC and toss the president & admin and the senate and congress out and start over from scratch.
- QACJared, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Sounds Like Richard Nixon.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9geekee is right. FDR was almost a dictator. Just like Bush. Just like Lincoln, for that matter.
However, that doesn;t mean that it is right. FDR's dictatorial streak is one reason we have term limits for the presidency.
Bush's shennanigans mean that it is time to take the power of presidents and the government in general down a few notches.
But I am not an optimist. If change comes, it may well be violent revolution this time. - jgreath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Or, maybe instead of running, we can stick around and fight, maybe change this country for the better. Perhaps you bleeding heart conservatives are the problem. If you'd prefer to live in a country where the government has complete and total authority to do as it pleases, regardless of what that nation's constitution has set forth as basic rights, then move to ***** Cuba.
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11People forget that Iran is ruled by a theocracy, Iraq was completely different because Saddam was secular. Think about it, do you know how much ***** we would be in if we even attacked Iran? We attack one ayatollah, he sends a million men to fight, we attack another, that one sends a million more. U.S. army planes will be working around the clock to bring all the soldiers back in coffins.
I hate to sound so pessismistic, but that is the trouble waters we are in. Iran isn't a nation to mess with, and whoever even thinks that we went into Iraq to get Iran must have been the dumbest son of a bitch on the face of this planet. Whoever thought of the war plan understand how powerful Islam is in Iran and the trouble we have had with Iran since the Iranian hostage crisis.
What do we have now? We have North Korea firing long range missiles. How is that protecting our nation anymore?
Iraq was a distraction, that allowed us to turn a blind eye to these other "axis of evils" who managed to kick start everything we feared they would start. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Watch the trailer here:
America: Freedom to Fascism
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/americafreedomtofascism/trailer/ - theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why do I keep getting these recurring thoughts that "this is exactly how it must have felt to be in Germany just before Nazism came? I just get the feeling that everything we are going through has happened before - everything:
- knowing that we are slipping into something bad, between a rock and a hard place
- knowing that things like this have happened before and we must learn from history but seeing it happen anyway
- getting the feeling that one or even two parts of society are becoming increasingly suspicious
- wondering if certain leaders will ever actually leave office
- wondering what other people are thinking
- starting to actually see people who don't vote like us as traitors or a growing problem
- actually wondering if you should accept some loss of liberty - because it will stop the bombs going off
- people actually saying the above with a completely straight face
- realising that actually yes, the police _can_ now hold you for a couple of weeks without charge
- saying to yourself "thank god im not dark skinned and don't have a big beard"
- being torn when you see dark-skinned bearded guys raided and shot because on the one hand you know they must be guilty of _something_ but on the other hand you know that there are plenty of racist police officers. - warox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Apathy? Mordain answered why nobody cares: panem et circnses, bread and circuses, the Latin saying for the mob entertainment of Rome. It's so easy for the government to divert us now, and people tend to be easily diverted. Uncle Sam keeps us busy with McDonald's, American Idol, and Gay Marriage. People don't care about corruption or the erosion of their privacy, they care about whatever ***** government and mass media feeds us. And you wonder why the gov't supports all these broadcast and media cartels, they supply the panem et circenses. History repeats itself yet again, and a dying empire fails to realize it's own failings.
Good use of vocab, mordain, hope you get dugg back up.
Edit: I never answered what we do to solve it.... Stay informed and tell everyone you know of your opinions. Be an outspoken advocate. I don't know how much one person can help, but I hope that motivated advocates across the country will make a difference. Stay informed, stay aware, and stay outspoken. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"We've secretly replaced your rights with Folgers Crystals. Let's see if anyone notices."
- shumacher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Wasn't everyone saying that a democratic win was in the cards last time around? Somehow, the republicans managed to accuse the democrats of not supporting our troops while attacking a war veteran's record to favor election of someone who hadn't left the country in military service.
I'm not sure how it happened, but it involved wearing flip-flops on hands. - SpyDerMann, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The government is essentially digging their own grave. Why? Because if they're above the law, it means that to serve justice, people will have to BREAK the law. Good work, government. You just pressed the self-destruct button. Now it's only matter of time.
- positron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes." - Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin (Joseph Stalin)
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