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- Bent_Wookiee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Link to the actually story.
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/capitalcity/news/tm_objectid=16530828&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=driver-proves-the-camera-can-lie-name_page.html#story_continue - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+81) As above, please post direct links, this is tacky as hell.
2) These cameras are pretty (at least in the US) seen as a way to create additional revenue. The companies that make the cameras sell a complete front to back system. They put up the cameras, send notices, collect fines, take their cut, and give the rest to the locality. And they are sold on the basis of how much money they will make. When I was in San Diego there was a big rukus about one of these, of the red light variety. They changed the timing on the lights, so you had a very, very short yellow. Unless you slammed on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, you were probably going to get busted. - spiderland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Would you people that report "blog spam" please read the comments before posting? The original poster said 3 TIMES that there wasn't only one link to the story...that he compiled information from 2 separate stories and pulled the picture from somewhere else."
Did you actually read those two separate stories? One is a posting on a forum, which summarizes the actual article. It's just one article.
... And yes, ***** the blog posts. Digg should prohibit known rehash/blog sites (i.e., therawfeed, etc.). This would: 1) Not give the "digg effect" on smaller rehash/blog sites (hence people can actually read the material), and 2) Cut down on reposts, since direct sources are linked. - DKasler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Link to the story,.... NOT YOUR BLOG
- masterdebater, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Blog Spammer... link was reported as well.
- lenwood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Engineers rock, and math saves the day.
+Digg - will592, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To the fellow that says, "Just don't speed"; the engineer in this situation wasn't speeding and he still got a ticket. That sort of blows your argument out of the water wouldn't you say? As far as the Loop 101 in Scottsdale getting the cameras...this scares the heck out of me because this is already one of the most dangerous roads in the metro area and doesn't have HOV lanes. People speed like crazy and if you try to follow the speed limit you will be run off of the road ( I know, I drive the speed limit ). They are allowing you a 'buffer' of 10mph over the limit before they give you a ticket. I personally don't understand how this is going to help with traffic accidents or rush hour traffic.
On a side note, I actually called in to a local radio show that had the traffic representative for the Phoenix police department on and asked him about highway driving. I was told that if I did the speed limit on the freeways during rush hour traffic I would be pulled over and ticketed for GOING TOO SLOWLY and making myself a danger to other drivers. I continually asked him what the point was to having a speed limit if you aren't going to enforce it and he told me that traffic has to flow. That, to me, is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard and just goes to show that speeding tickets are nothing more than a source of revenue. - pr0t3st, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Guilty until proven innocent...I hate my country.
- vitorsilva, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In Portugal we have a better system to tax drivers. Alongside with the disastrous signals and the roads that look they were designed by a drunk man, we have top speed of 50km on local areas and 120km on highways. BUT ( drums banging on the back ) you can take a speed ticket for driving too slow!!!! Beat that :)
Ho, and here speed camera's are a must for every road, either fixed cameras or movable ones. :( - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Amendment 6 of the US constitution includes:
> In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right ... to be confronted with the witnesses
> against him.
That's sheer brilliance... glad to see at least one state still has some idea of what constitutional rights are all about.
On the other hand (and this comes from having lived around PA) I'm surprised the state didn't produce a "camera monitoring" technician to testialie that they "saw" you on a bank of monitors...
It is just about revenue; there have been a few municipalities that have actually made certain intersections more dangerous by shortening yellow light times to increase camera revenue. - edwardh2o, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Blog spam.
Is it really THAT hard to link directly to the article? - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1velkr0: If you had read the actual article, the time between the two pictures was given as 0.5 seconds. That's one short coffee break.
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UK speed cameras scare heck out of me. Sure, you could "just not speed," as josh11778 so thoughtfully points out, but that's really not the whole story.
We have a tenuous but long-standing balance of speeders vs. the law here. Most people accept that some speed limits are necessary for public safety and fuel economy, but we also know that speed traps are used as municipal fund-raisers. Ever drive I-95 from NY to DC? The speed limit drops to 55 or even 50 on many areas where you'll almost never see a car do less than 70.
If everyone drove under the speed limit, traffic would come to a standstill, deliveries would be late, and the economy would suffer.
It's all a wink & nudge setup. You drive sensibly, and most of the time, you won't be bothered. The law is on the books in case they really want to enforce it (say you had an accident when driving 5mph over the limit), but it's really a judgement call.
If every person who ever drove over the limit got a ticket from a camera, and came into court, the legal system would grind to a halt.
Technically, we could put speed sensors in every car in America, match them to sensors in various roads, and send a ticket every single time you go over the limit. That's not how it works, though. The law is there to keep public order and safety, not to restrict every movement you make. - GlassMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lenwood:
In Pennsylvania it is illegal to receive a ticket by a speed camera.
It isn't everywhere because it hasn't been tested everywhere, yet.
Amendment 6 of the US constitution includes:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right ... to be confronted with the witnesses against him.
They ruled that a camera is not a witness because it cannot be cross-examined.
in the UK they have no such right. - adam.skinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Amen!
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I imagine these cameras are easy game for civil rights vigilantes. Not that I recommend you spraypaint them, shoot them, smack them up with baseball bats, or otherwise molest and disable them with a clear conscience, it's just that it might be possible.
- LoathRevolver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I guess I was wrong about math.
- velkr0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0He used the road markings to measure how far he had travelled in the time that elapsed between the taking of the two pictures and found that his approximate speed was just 18mph.
ummm... isn't it possible that he was in fact exceeding the speed limit both times his speed was captured.. and that he pulled over for a coffee or something in-between... which, by using simple math, would reduce his overall speed.... - staflea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0imtigger 2 asked why the speed was in mph. Because in the UK we use mph, not kph, as the mileage on road signs are detailed in miles not km.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"They are putting these on the 101 loop in scottsdale az."
Yeah, I heard about this too, kaboom. I am, unfortunately moving back to phoenix, and will probably be taking the 101 daily. I can't imagine how a system this flawed could be use to accurately gauge the amount of traffic that flows on that freeway daily. - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"..They changed the timing on the lights, so you had a very, very short yellow. Unless you slammed on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, you were probably going to get busted. "
Which of course is against federal law (monitored by the FTA and the ICC). We have the trucking industry to thank for that, BTW.
Go, Temsters, go!
FAB
FOB - multifaceted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That just rocks.
- jpatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It goes to show ya, the government is NEVER wrong; it's just incapable of rendering a sure definition of right and wrong.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0imtigger2: Are you having a laugh? MPH is standard here, at least in Wales ;)
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@jpturner -
Excellent point.
Since speeding tickets are essentially a tax, why not go ahead and be honest about it? Bring back the "safe & sane" laws from the '50s (or whenever that was) to enforce the safety part, but ditch the speed limits altogether. Tax based on distance. Actually, you could just increase the gasoline tax, since that way you're taxing based both on distance and fuel economy. Maybe offer a gas tax rebate for commercial vehicles, since they have a legitimate reason to get worse mileage.
I actually think a proposal like that could go over really well. Eliminate all speed limits, replace speeding tickets with (less common) reckless driving tickets, and raise the gas tax.
I'd be happy to pay an extra $0.15/gal at the pump if it meant no more speed limits! - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm sure the courts will come back with well, perhaps it really wasn't .5 seconds, since the shutter takes a fraction of that, and another fraction of that to close, and reopen... so you were in fact going the speed it said......or some other BS excuse to win over the little man.
- enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That is awesome. Glad to see someone is fighting speeding tickets and cameras which are nothing more than a money maker for the state.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its a shame that they actually shorten yellow lights to get more profit. I've seen a few very short yellow lights myself. It's also a shame that one little incident with these things will exponentially increase your car insurance for three years.
- BrowserBabe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is Great! I have always wonder if speed cameras could make mistakes. At least I would have an idea how to fight it if I end up in such a situation. Also, this is a great story to show high school students how one can use math in the real world since we often hear kids say "I won't need to know this in the real world." (Sorry, its just the teacher in me ...lol) Digg! ; )
- MrC539, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Or, he could have just gone past it at 170mph.
http://digg.com/science/How_to_beat_a_speed_camera - Rajio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Didn't a supreme court somewhere determine that its unconstitutional to issue speeding tickets via radar & cameras? I thought I remembered hearing that? Maybe that's just in Texas."
hey you Yankee, not everybody is subject to your 'supreme court' despite its name, and your cosntitution only applies to you,for the rest of the world, the term 'unconstitutional' isnt applicable. We have our own laws thank you very much. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Lol... good story.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thank you science, where is your Messiah now.
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"
Thats what im saying, some people think because a sign says 30 doesnt mean you should go 30, if anyhting you shouldnt, just to be safe
posted by mynightwish (0) at 02:00 "
No duh! Well, in fairness though, you probably didnt know that EVERY SINGLE DRIVING SCHOOL AND COURSE TAUGHT IN AMERICA, DRIVES HOME THIS VERY POINT. THE SPEED LIMIT IS SIMPLY THE LIMIT THAT YOU SHOULD NOT GO ABOVE. However, on a multilane highway, there is usually a posted minmumof 45mph, and on ANY street in the US, if you go slower thatn 45mph on any road posting any speed FASTER, than you must have your flashers running or mount a Yellow flashing light on your roof for the duration of that travelling speed.
FACT. - PacketScan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Shortly there after Engineer was arrested under the DMCA.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was driving on a long road, it was the national UK speed limit, 60mph, it then came to a 30 mph limit
im saying, just because it says 60mph doesnt mean you have to go 60 mph
the road i was on today, (60 to 30), I DIDNT GO 60 then gradually come down to 30
i went around 45 50mph
Thats what im saying, some people think because a sign says 30 doesnt mean you should go 30, if anyhting you shouldnt, just to be safe - fixit2new, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good for him. Now the "Mid and South Wales Safety Camera Partnership" should pay him for "Consulting fees". After all, he found a glitch.
If they can't figure out that rate=time*distance, and set the camera's shutter correctly, how reliable are these devices?! - Quantic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I thought it went Innocent until proven guilty? Unless you're talking in real terms in which what you said is most often the case.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HAHA
- Patrick_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My question is... did this happen to other cars going the speed limit?
- crapiolio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Math does save the day once in a while!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MPH Standard throughout the UK
- oakeybloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why do you people automatically assume a blogger linked to his own site? A regular reader of the blog could have posted it, it's not blog spam. Just shut up and read, pansies. What, another click for your pudgy fingers is too much? Invest in some freeweights.
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Owned.
- cvrti5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Screw those wallet raping pig bastards! Get radar detectors, lidar jammers, everything to combat those hoes and get back your god given freedoms!
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm sorry, but who is the noron that says there was EVER a case where manufacturers ended up WINNING that allows them to decide whether or not you can have more images? That claim is the most non-factual , *****, moronic crap ever put on a blog.
Anonymous, my ASS. - imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I find something odd here... if it's in the UK, why is the story stating MPH instead of KPH?
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The English defined the modern mile, thank god they're still using it. Eff decimal measures, give me my imperials!
- Ludwig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0::sigh:: I clicked the link to the actual story, and accidentally hit page-down. When I started scrolling up, I thought an advertisement with a baby wearing pots & pans was from the actual story. I was both amused and confused. It's too hot today.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Like I said previously, the blog entry links to two stories, each with unique inforomation, plus a photo not contained in the better of the two stories. The blog entry IS the story, dude.
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