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- Coheed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Um they did not change their policys...
"Permitted on eBay.com: Sellers may offer to accept PayPal, credit cards including Mastercard/Visa /Amex/Discover, debit cards and bank electronic payments online for eBay purchases. Sellers may also offer to accept bank-to-bank transfers, often known as bank wire transfers or bank cash transfers, and the online money order service BidPay. Sellers may accept COD (cash on delivery) or cash for in person transactions. Sellers may offer to accept personal checks, money orders (including BidPay), cashier’s checks, certified checks and other negotiable instruments." - dotcal604, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i'll start off with a disclaimer that I work at eBay, but "Ebay bans other payment processors, only PayPal is allowed." is definitely not what the new "Safe Payments Policy" is, nor is that what eBay intends, the main purpose is to make sure unsuspecting or new members do not fall for fraudulent activity, i'll quote a portion of the new policy here:
"Not permitted on eBay.com: Sellers may not solicit buyers to mail cash. Sellers may not ask buyers to send cash through instant cash transfer services (non-bank, point-to-point cash transfers) such as Western Union or Moneygram. Finally, sellers may not request payment through online payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy."
cash/WesternUnion only listings = most likely a scam
the full policy is here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/safe-payments-policy.html - kryogenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I doubt many people actually read the new policy, otherwise this wouldn't have 600+ diggs.
- Punisher2K, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Funny, I was just talking to my father about this last night. Ebay listing fee, Ebay takes a % of sale and finally PayPal (Ebay owned) takes a % of whatever is left. It's such a scam it makes me sick."
Yeah because the alternative of you holding onto the item, it taking up room, spending months to try and sell it and getting squat for it are SO much better.
Your paying for the service of selling your stuff quickly and easily.
And I love how people slam PayPal yet no one has examples or anything. Just "PayPal sucks". Well, I've been using them since they started and I've never had a single problem. Getting my money is easy and while they have it it gets more interest then my back account.
Just because one guy says it sucks, at least try to have a little mind of your own before you lemming along saying the same line. - zeroxcape, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If Google started a Cheap Paypal-like service and a Free Auction service... they would bring eBay to the ground. Free Auctions with a non-1997 feel? Damn... that would be the *****...
- daone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is bogus, ebay strongly encourages use of paypal, but you certainly can use other payment options.
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RTFA...
The policy change that actually went through was that Ebay sellers can now only ADVERTISE payment options that are approved by Ebay. Technically they can still accept payments using other methods as long as they don't advertise the fact in their auctions. Of course, it is still a dirty, under-handed move meant to exclude other payment companies and line their own pockets via Paypal. However, probably anyone familiar with Ebay and Paypal are not suprised by the announcement.
I can't help but think that despite Ebay's success, they could have so much more if they would just play their card's right. I honestly believe they could have been in a position to dominate the majority of the online consumer transactions if they'd stop piling on the restrictions and hefty fees on top of everything. All I have to say is - bring on Googlebay. A simple, clean auction/transaction interface with a healthy API that anyone can build on combined with a cheap payment service. Everything that Ebay refuses to be.
It will be interesting though since Ebay could very well be the biggest advertiser on Google's network. Starting up a competiting auction and payment network would not only be ambitious because of Ebay's dominance of the market, but also because it would likely mean the loss of one of their major advertisers. Like they say, timing is everything - how much is Google willing to risk? They can't take on the world despite what everyone thinks :) - pcmonline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah, i don't get it. I looked at their policy too and didn't see any change. i can't imagine them doing this. Until i see an official press release, i don't believe it.
- pervy_the_clown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1does that mean like..no money orders and crap either? like only paypal now?
- elfguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From reading the policies, this seems fake. They strongly encourage PayPal, but they haven't changed the part where they allow you to offer credit cards, BidPay, bank transfers and so on.
- ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is surprising, considering how much flak PayPal has been getting recently in its apparent mismanaging of funds...
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Whelp, that's the end of my eBay use. They keep pissing me off, and pissing me off, and eventually you've just had enough and have to find somewhere else.
Just wait for gAuctions, hopefully with less fraud and scams. - Coheed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, the author leaves no source.
I don't belive. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>>If Google started a Cheap Paypal-like service and a Free Auction >>service... they would bring eBay to the ground. Free Auctions with a >>non-1997 feel? Damn... that would be the *****...
>^^
>Agreed
i agree also, but only about the ***** part. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1while businesses can decide to except or not except most forms of payment, Ebay is more like a newspaper classified ad. People can make arrangements with the auctioneer to make payments as seen fit, aslong as ebay gets paid, i dont see how they can say that people cant agree on an alternative form of payment. Not intagrating google into the auction is fine but i am not so sure about not allowing people to advertise that they will accept google
- geetee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Class action anti-trust lawsuit"
- posted by kissthering
Funny, I was just talking to my father about this last night. Ebay listing fee, Ebay takes a % of sale and finally PayPal (Ebay owned) takes a % of whatever is left. It's such a scam it makes me sick. - MaybeLater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This only hurts the consumer.
- fideli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I must rant on this. PayPal has the worst service I've ever used, and I've really only been a buyer. I've read many horror stories from eBay sellers that use PayPal, and I always think twice or thrice about selling on eBay because of that.
On the other hand, does this mean that things like Bidpay won't work? Or would it just mean that it's "not allowed" to use that if you use eBay? - Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0www.ebid.tv is a fairly popular alternative. And basic auctions are free. I recommend.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0eBay is full of *****, they smelled competition and decided to punish the customers by only accepting one form opf online payment? This a free market system, *****. Competition keeps it alive; play fair or don't play at all.
- stevedemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thank you Punisher:
"And I love how people slam PayPal yet no one has examples or anything. Just "PayPal sucks". Well, I've been using them since they started and I've never had a single problem. Getting my money is easy and while they have it it gets more interest then my back account."
Just because one guy says it sucks, at least try to have a little mind of your own before you lemming along saying the same line.
Amen to that, brother!
What I don't like, and my workplace is just as guilty, is the fact that eBay owns PayPal. It would suck for the seller to HAVE to pay for the listing, then pay again to accept the payment. However, I don't believe this story for a minute. It leaves the customer with no choice, and those who don't want it/can't afford it will leave eBay. It'd be a dumb move on eBay's part. - flattop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I did a search on whois for googlebay.com guess who is the administrator for the domain. Google is, but the domain expires on Dec. 10 2005. Maybe google was going to try its own auction service?
- kjoatmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ever since PayPal cost me some nasty bank fees, I have stopped using them. And that lead me to basically not using EBay because so many people on there only take Paypal. So this will have very little effect on me.
So how did PayPal cost me? I fixed something in a payment form, and when I did this, they changed it from credit card to bank debit. I did not notice that they changed this until after I had completed the transaction, and I was reading the receipt.
I immediately complained to them, their response was, "Then you need to put the money in your account now because our system will automatically try three times to remove the money from your account."
So the PayPal policy is to change things without warning, and if this causes you an overdraft, to do it three times rather than just once.
I never used them again.
I can't even stop their idiotic emails to me because I refuse to agree with their policy changes, and unless I do, I can't log in to cancel my account. I tried canceling it by sending them a snailmail, but they have ignored it. - MerlinTW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds like Google will get a lot of converts.
Time to start posting stuff on Overstock Auctions. - danmanx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did any of you guys get money out of paypal in that lawsuit? I dumped it right into my checking account?
BTW, I do like PayPal. Doesn't anybody realize that scammers use other methods of payment to rip off people? That's what this is about. - BlackPhantom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wouldn't care but becuase paypal is e-bay owned I am v.annoyed. I mean they are charging you the for the transfer of you money to them, WTF? This is just WRONG...
- Thundercat71, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Uhhh, calm down guys. PayPal is not the only payment allowed. Bidpay is also allowed. Western Union seems to be banned, but I never liked that anyways.
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I don't know if anyone else has checked this, but www.gauction.com redirects to www.google.com"
I'm suprised it doesn't redirect to froogle. Anyway let's hope Google has something in the making. - strikezero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i hate paypal with a passion.
- Cheirdal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well I'm done buying things on E-Bay. I don't use Paypal and I'm not going to jump through hoops to get to an unadvertised payment option.
- urbn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know if anyone else has checked this, but www.gauction.com redirects to www.google.com
- linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0not really, considering PayPal is owned by eBay, and eBay is the most well-known auction site.
- dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Go Google, down w/ Ebay.
- flamaest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0.. here is the real scoop folks.. Ebay is actually forcing how paypal is used (credit cards must be accepted therefore making you pay more fees to paypal.. rwad the links. It would appear eBay will surly kill off a chunk of its "average joe" seller population.
Fabian. - Jacobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I never realized how much of google's revenue came from eBay. I think it makes a lot of sense for Google to start their own auction site (and charge, everything shouldn't be free...just fair) so that they have money coming from a source that isn't so reliant on another company. This would especially make sense considering what could happen with AOL.
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh, sorry for the extra entry, but one quick note ...
If Ebay would have done this back when they had their crappy Billpoint payment system. They would have killed PayPal. Go figure!
So much for innovation, free markets and all that good stuff. Oh, yeah, Ebay & PayPal still sux! :) - EchoZoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Paypal really does suck. However, anyone who claims that eBay has to allow other payment types is an idiot. It would be no different than saying that Chevrolet dealers have to sell Fords. There is no reason eBay has to support their competitors.
That said, it's their company, and if they want to shoot themselves in the foot like that, they are free to do so. The only logical way to do anything about it as a customer is to take your business elsewhere. - Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I guess the question is this, will eBay actually close auctions where sellers add alternative payment terms within the auction itself? If they do, they're asking for it, legally and otherwise.
Thing is, I'd be more than happy to use PayPal, but like so many others, that's no longer an option thanks to their policies which restrict and freeze accounts, assuming the guilt of their customers. My history (well over 1,000 positive feedback, 2 negatives, no previous negative activity on my PayPal account) should have been such to give me the benefit of the doubt, but no. There's no reasoning with them, and I'm tired of form e-mail responses. - z0rz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Haha that paypalsucks.com cartoon is pretty funny. I still like PayPal though but that is pretty sad of eBay to do. Hopefully they still allow checks and cash payments. Haha that'd be lame.
z0rz.com
http://z0rz.com/blog - merelyglib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http:\www.paypalsucks.com/
Just, you know, to provide a few examples. - WickedDrag0oN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Other than the fact that I think paypal is an evil corporation that steals legit money raised by people with good intentions and has zero intent on ever giving it back, I have no problem with them. I could care less as long as I get my ebayin done. But thats along the same lines as a car dealership saying if your gonna buy our truck you get your loan through us or its no go. Which regularly happense.
- Suits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There is an alternative to eBay.
http://www.ioffer.com - dissident, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I will say this... if google started auctions it would be an instant hit, they'd have no problems finding people to use it.
- Cheyne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This news is fine with me, other payment forms suck anyway, paypal is fine.
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How are reactions mixed? This is *****.
This is easily the most blatantly anti-competative action in the history of web-based business. - odsae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think Google should run for president.
- ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good.
Stardards ow3n.
"Sign up for this "gravy pay".. it's cool.. you have to have it if you bid!"
pfft. - gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Read the fine print: "...eBay strongly encourages sellers to offer payments through PayPal..."
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/safe-payments-policy.html
mezziah posted by mezziah (4)
Ya and I encurage E-Bay users to dump egay/paypal and request to google Gauctions and Gpay - Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PayPal has continually screwed me over. My account is currently restricted because my loser brother cheated some people via eBay. Since we were then registered under the same address, PayPal felt the need to link the accounts and restricted mine as well. I've done everything they've asked, even paying the $187 my brother owed them, only to be told that I also need to bring HIS account in good standing. Kind of hard to do when you don't have access to it. Bottomline is that I've written off PayPal, and as such, have nearly stopped using eBay. I was spending a good $400 a month there, now, maybe $25 (not to mention selling).
I was looking forward to Google-pay as my way back in, but eBay apparently doesn't just want my seller fees, they need my payment fees as well. I can only hope Google does open up the online auction area (and not accept PayPal...heh) as it could use some competition. If eBay wants to persist that PayPal be their only acceptable instant payment service, fine, they can lost a considerable amount of their marketshare. -
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