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- akarpo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Please, let this be the starting point in which Google/Apple get into the cell phone business (beyond hardware). I don't care if it's WiMax, why the hell don't we have cell phones that use voice over IP, why are all the major carriers so absolutely terrible. (Hint, Vodafone would not let VZW buyback its shares that Voda owns...Verizon is too big of a cash cow) Please, let this be the beginning of change.
- relyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10In Canada we pay $0.05/KB (yes, a nickel per KB - that's without a package) so that works out to:
$57.6/second (9 Mbps = 1152 KB/s @ $0.05/KB)
That's a good way to burn money fast. - DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And here I am using Rev0 like a sucker. We have a bit of an information infrastructure problem here in the US. We've got all the backbone you want, but there's an issue with the last mile. That, and it's expensive to upgrade base stations to support these new revisions when the demand for cellular data isn't quite there yet.
- ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Canadian data plans are NFG.
$100/month gives you 250 MB over Bell's EV-DO network, $3 for each additional MB (data plan for your laptop, etc.) - cgomez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5EV-DO is broadband internet (3G) for CDMA networks. It's currently deployed by Sprint, Verizon and Alltel.
Annnyways, I think this is great news and I'm glad Sprint and Verizon have been quick to push out rev. a as quickly as they have so that most customers now are getting 1Mbps+ down and 700kbps+ up as realistic results. Woot. - ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4akarpo:
Sprint's ReadyLink walkie talkie service (and Bell's 10-4 in Canada - same technology) use SIP and VoIP over their EV-DO network.
You USAians have it great. In Canada, $100/mo gives you 250 mb of traffic on Bell's EV-DO network. A combination of low population density and lack of competition means that our cellular providers absolutely blow. :(
(And stuff like free long distance, etc., is just a dream). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That's 5 words.
And DAMN. On regular broadband here in NZ we only get 7.6Mbps :( - danrowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the US we won't see the speeds of HSPDA or EVDO RevB for quite some time. Even though the air interface supports those rates the back-haul for the cell sites is limited to 1 maybe 2 T1's. Most sites don't have access to reasonable fiber. You might see Cingular and Verizon get into WiMax because of their back-haul needs i.e. high capacity microwave shots.
- Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can not say much more than "Christmas" but you will see VOIP cell phones soon.
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Exactly. Who wants to be able to piss money down the drain at breakneck speed?
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3DVDA?
I guess this means that they're putting more thing into the same tubes - WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Telus is half a network now? Please, tell us how.
- jpowlus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lovely, 9meg...
I had one of my EVDO (~1meg) cards cancelled by Verizon because I went over the monthly usage of 5GB/month.
(which I didn't know about until after they sent me the cancellation letter).
They waive the early termination fee, tho, so no big loss.
Unlimited use, my ass. At 9meg, people will hit that limit in no time flat :) - ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The thing is, though, you have 300 million people and handful of networks, plus virtual operators to drive competition in the US.
Canada has only 2.5 networks (Bell, Rogers + Telus) and 32 million people. Spread over a pretty wide area. It doesn't result in very good deals at all, because all the networks end up looking the same. - jackusage, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2They're still going to limit you to 1GB of downloads per month and then terminate your service.
- ryodoan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Something to note is that this says Mbps which is different from MBps. Mbps is megabits and 8 megabits = 1 Megabyte.
So, this is really saying you get 1.125 MB/s speed, which is still not bad - cgomez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's called buying a data plan...
- bigspruce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My Verizon EVDO will get about 500Kb down and 350Kb up, about the same as a slow DSL line.
But who cares how fast Verizon EVDO gets - tethering is a Verizon no-no; there are reports
(substantiated?) that they will turn off service if you use it.
@ncdoyle
At least Bell (Canada) doesn't cripple the phones like Verizon does.With a Motorola e815,
the Bell (Canada) version has Java and allows transfering files (pictures, ringtones, videos)
to/from a PC, via bluetooth. The stupidly crippled Verizon model only has Brew,
and doesn't allow transferring files or tethering via bluetooth, unless you do seem edits.
Of course, Verizon let's one pay for Brew apps, or to transfer files via an online service. - ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2hobbers:
In a nutshell, no.
The specification for UMTS/HSDPA (the 3rd generation version of GSM) is defined by a consortium called the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP). It includes manufacturers, operators, etc. CDMA2000/EV-DO (the 3rd generation version of CDMA) is defined by a consortium called 3GPP2 (creative name), made up of most of the same people. Both standards were approved by the International Telecommunications Union in the standard IMT-2000.
Qualcomm makes technology for both standards - indeed, both CDMA2000 and UMTS are based on CDMA technology underneath, so Qualcomm (among others) get money either way. - meshman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The evolution of CDMA2000 networks from EVDO Rev. A to EVDO Rev. B allows network operators to remain leading-edge in their service and performance offerings without the need for any infrastructure hardware changes,"
This reads like a Microsoft document. I assume from the comments they're talking about wireless bandwidth. - jdoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pepe7
Actually speaking of internet via a cell towers, Sprint has a much wider coverage than either Cingular or Verizon.
Cingular is still trailing behind on adding 3G, and verizon is unable to put EV-DO on their 850mhz towers because it does not offer enough spectrum. And almost HALF of vzw towers are on that frequency.
Having said that, Sprint is known for deploying their networks so fast they actually finish ahead of schedule, and they plan on covering 100 MILLION people with WiMax by the end of the year. Not too shabby at all! - RIMberry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sprint will be first with WiMax, it'll be out by the end of this year.
- ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You'll probably only see 14.4 Mbps (or 9 Mbps for EV-DO Rev B) with an indoor repeater and a fixed station with a cool antenna. Out on the street, you'll probably be lucky to get 2 Mbps (the target speed for 3G).
The 4th generation technology (UMB and UMTS Rev 8) look pretty cool... they're targetting maximum downlink speeds of 250 Mbps. The next revision of WiMAX is claiming 1 Gbps. - forcedfx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope to see my phone say "EVDO" on it at least once before I break it and buy a new one.
- bigfkncee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1funny.....mine says "EV" on the homescreen all the time....and i'm on sprint
- RIMberry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All of this will be moot once WiMax is deployed. Better buy your Sprint stock now!
- Amargosa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm getting 14Mbps over the mobile network in Melbourne, with faster speeds promised. Why is EVDO getting everyone excited?
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is all good and everything, unfortunately, it's useless if the carriers keep their current pricing structure.
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3in an nutshell, it's high speed data for your mobile. EvDO stands for "Evolution-Data Optimized" and works under CDMA.
Basically, it's really awesome. - aacidusX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1too bad an "unlimited: data plan for Verizon means 5MB...
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HSDPA claims it peaks at 14.4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access - Nevrast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The fact that data plans are so ridiculous in Canada really pisses me off. I can't even get an unlimited plan if I wanted to, unless there are business ones I haven't seen. Seriously though $100 for 250megs. Right, go back to the drawing board Rogers.
- dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's all about the upload you damned ISPs! Give me 3/3Mbit and I will gladly trade my 8Mbit down link! Just make it the new standard instead of the 8/.384Mbits you turds advertise everywhere...
- sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*Yawn* just give me my wimax
- ncdoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WiZZLa:
My apologies. Telus used to be half a network, only covering major areas and roaming on Bell's network. Having reviewed their coverage map, it would seem they have aggressively expanded their service area to the same as Rogers and Bell. I withdraw my slam. :) - divabox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Amazing. Seems the server is down.
- pepe7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sexycommando-
WiMax won't be the killer app per se out of the box anyway for users. If and when Sprint uses it, they don't have a very large footprint in this country anyway compared to either Verizon or Cingular. As has been suggested earlier in the thread, WiMax will mainly be used on the back end to get around some of the lack of bandwidth in that regard to remote sites. Anyway, what is wrong with the current path of UMTS/HSDPA? Fallback to GSM is nice, and how many places you can already use your phone globally with a quad band. - KillaClash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1But Sprint on the other hand encourages people to use their cards and so far I have yet to hear about anybody get kicked off of Sprint for too much data usage.
- cgomez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Except for the fact that its current implementation from Cingular, it sucks and has ridiculously slow upload speeds.
EV-DO rev. a on the other hand... - mfhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When I lived in San Diego (home of Qualcomm) I saw a Benz SL600 driving around with a license plate that said "CDMA"!
- Manhigh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Extra Virgin Dork Oil?
- blephen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0probly irv jacobs, founder and chairman of qcomm.
- blephen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well not exactly, but close...cdma is also used in Korea, which, ironically, is also where mobile Wimax is first deployed under the name Wibro.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And In mexico they still charge like 25 dollars for 256kbps
- blephen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+05 Gigs, not 5 megs...but it don't matter. these systems will all crash under their own success...it matters not which one. hsdpa, evdo rev 0, A, B, C...802.16e. wireless is not wireline folks and never will be. which is why they are capping the data usage and shutting down "heavy" apps like streaming video...it's all about the spectrum baby.
- blephen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0uh, dunno about that...sprint is in serious trouble right now. losing subscibers to verizon and cingular...wimax in the USA is by no means a sure bet if they get bought out.
- blephen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you are probly using iBurst, which is by far the most advanced broadband wireless system in the world and outstrips wimax by quite a bit...and that includes mobile wimax (802.16e). too bad it won't ever be a standard....it's proprietary technology from a company called arraycomm. but at least their smart antenna technology that enables iburst to be so spectrally efficient, increases carrier capacity and reduces latency, will be included in at least some OEM Wimax infrastructure mfrs...notably Samsung i think.
- hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Isn't EVDO a closed standard though, controlled by Qualcomm? In comparison isn't GSM an open standard? With over 2 billion people on GSM, seems like it would be more beneficial to work on GSM.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Too bad you probably are limited to Verizon if you want to use it.
- ipodsweatshop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0EVDO Rev B will be operated by the same companies that operate Rev A and Rev 0 networks. Stop doing the 15-year-old "the world sucks" routine, I hate them and I hate them too. You really think APple or Google has secretly rolled out a wireless network somewhere and no one knows about it? Shut up, go listen to your slave pod while looking at pictures of Steve Jobs and Kevin Rose, maybe hit up Hot Topic.
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