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- bobcatred, on 10/12/2007, -3/+71LOL, price hike = more pirating and less legal purchases. Brilliant idea EMI
- pinab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Yeah, what the ***** is wrong with them? You would have thought they learned from all of this.
I sure love my ENCRYPTED newsgroups subscription! Suck it, RIAA, MPAA, and friends. - meshman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27"EMI is willing to lose the DRM, but they demand a considerable advance payment to make it happen"
Oh geez, sorry about that. You wanted MORE money? Here, I'll go pirate all my music for free and you get nothing. You could have had something but you want everything so you get *****. I hope you choke on it. - dorianh49, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22We definitely need to start a movement where we all dress up as Indians and other members of The Village People and dump all kinds of 1's and 0's into the Boston Harbor.
- Arctirus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I've never bought any drm music and can't say I ever plan to. If I could get non-drm music for under $1 per song I might just consider it.
- beerbaronstatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15That's right, ALL the tea...
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Heh. DRM ransom.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Dear EMI,
We really appreciate that you've let us use your music content to get our online music store off the ground and succeed to such an extent that you can no longer treat us like the test market we started off as. We also appreciate that you trusted our vision enough to go along with it, but if you chicken out now and turn to run away, we'll go ahead and use our new legal arrangements with Apple Records that allows us to be a music distributor and start letting artists sell directly to customers through the store and cut your greedy asses out of the ***** loop.
Love,
Apple
P.S. Did we mention that because we earn almost nothing off your music already, we can let the artists keep a much larger cut of their earnings that you would? Sleep well tonight. - takamalak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I just hope that when (not 'if') DRM gets dropped, Apple/MS/etc. release a de-DRM application to remove the rights management from our library or just update iTunes to auto remove DRM from your music library.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'm not asking this to bash MS, but WTF is this?
"Online music giants Apple and Microsoft, along with smaller players including RealNetworks and Yahoo! Music,"[...]
Since when did MS become an "online music giant"? The real 800 lb. gorilla is Apple and thankfully, they have taken a clear stance against DRM.
And the last thing I read on this topic was that MS was perfectly happy with DRM for their own uses. Did I miss something? Has MS come out against DRM recently?
Is someone out there trying to prop MS up as an "online music giant" that is okay with DRM, perhaps in an effort to head off Apple and Jobs? I'm not a conspiracy nut but that's the only sense I can make out of this. And given the whole SCO debacle and the amount of DRM-friendly stuff built into Vista, we know MS isn't above that kind of behind-the-scenes shenanigans.
Something's up with this. We all need to watch for attempts to portray MS's online music efforts as being every bit as big and successful as Apple's. - joelsp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I am baffled by this. They had a chance to be the pioneering record company in the removal of DRM. Instead, they are pioneering the movement to increase piracy. Are they this blind?
- MagnetoWasRight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10m3mn0n, you're operating on the fallacy that CD ripping and sharing isn't already trivial. I can find ANYTHING that's DRMed right now, ranging from high-rate lossy to lossless compression at super-high speeds on any torrent site. DRM free music is the norm - CDs outsell digital downloads by a massive amount. The only people DRM actually effects are people who would never bother seeking out the free stuff because $0.99 a song is worth the convenience.
AND DRM DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OTHER THAN MAKING THAT SUPPOSED CONVENIENCE REALLY ***** INCONVENIENT - mshea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Does anyone else think that this might be the year DRM on music falls? Articles like this would make us say "no", but I am remembering the fall of DIVX (the old Circuit City DIVX, not the media format) and I wonder whether we'll see something like that again.
I'm going to be optimistic and say that I think one of the big four will release enough DRM that Apple will sell unprotected digital music on iTunes by the end of 2007. - one2gamble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So you remove an aspect of the content that actually costs them a ***** of money to implement and the cost to the consumer goes up.....now thats a hell of a business model.
- Sneakernets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They never learn. Ever.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7question this raises is... would you pay more for DRM free music?
- merkle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6EMI to Apple, Microsoft: We are money sucking bastards who couldn't figure out how to make money with digital media if our lives depended on it. You are our saviors, but we've got our heads stuck up our asses so far that we won't realize it until we're out of business.
- bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You go up to a gal and ask, "For million dollars will you sleep with me?" She thinks and then says, "for million dollars? Sure!" And then you say, "now that we know you'll do it for money, let's negotiate."
- MisterKen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You are not just goofing.
If the whole NeXT and Pixar legacy has taught us anything, Mr. Jobs sees possibilities and moves stealthly to execute successfully.
Mr. Jobs, let your magic begin. Take them out slowly, painfully and completely. - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@dorianh49
Best comment I've read all day. - Xiretsa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My guess is that the records company wouldn't allow that. Because instead they could sell you the same music again but this time without DRM.
- richard2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Many journalists also describe Microsoft as a serious threat to Google. Ha! How many people do you know who use Windows Live Search?
I think these journalists are either trying to make their articles more interesting or are being compensated by Microsoft in some way. - TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Piracy looks more and more appealing with every word these annoying little bastards that call themselves business keep throwing at us consumers. But hey what do I care, its not my fault if their utter stupidity ends up completely obliterating their industry. Oh wait... until they start demanding help from the government. Bastards....
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually, it's like adding up all the speeding fines of everyone on the road, and dividing them up among all the drivers who don't speed. The drivers who speed pay nothing.
- davekg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, but still no more than DRM-free CDs. Less actually, when you factor in audio quality, liner notes, etc.
- schroeder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Some readers have indicated to us that they'd happily pay more for DRM-free downloadable music from an online retailer, yet it is unclear as to why DRM-free music should cost more."
There is absolutely NO reason that DRM-free music should cost more. There are no additional production/distribution costs involved. I haven't bought an album in years and stopped downloading torrents of music. I only buy music directly from bands I like and no music from major labels. These corrupt bastards will never see another cent of mine and I want nothing to do with anyone involved with them. They don't deserve my attention. I just wish more people would boycott them and then maybe they'd just die off or at least get the point. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Are they this blind?"
Wads if cash don't come with eye slots by default. It's an additional feaure and it costs more. - sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It almost seems as if m3mn0n works for RIAA, seemingly the only ones left that believes DRM actually does anything. Either that or extremely unknowledgeable and naive.
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
"Sure!"
"Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?"
"No! What kind of girl do you think I am?"
"We've already established that. Now, we're just haggling over price!" - Dragon88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is possible to compete with free, however.
Two bands I've become a big fan of are KMFDM and Alec Empire. I got into them by first pirating their music through bit torrents and listening to them for free via YouTube videos. With KMFDM, I was able to get every album they've done over the past 20 years - like 6 gigs - in one torrent. Alec Empire is downloading as we speak.
Now I've bought music from both of them.
Why? Convenience. KMFDM and Alec Empire both have very easy to use, high quality DRM-free ways to download music off the band's websites. With KMFDM, their soundtrack to the Spiderman 2 game and certain remixes are only available on the website. It was just less hassle to put down a couple dollars and get them from the band, then to go find a torrent. Again, with Alec Empire, torrents take a while to download, and I wanted their music now, and it was just easier. Plus, I know I'm getting the quality version.
I almost didn't pay for Alec Empire's music. The only legitimate place I could find online to get it was iTunes. With iTunes, I'd have to deal with DRM and only 12 cents would go to the artist. I actually got a better product by downloading, and it was less hassle. However, it was actually cheaper to buy it directly from the band's site.
A lesson for record companies. You can compete with free.
http://www.kmfdmstore.com/
http://www.dhrshop.co.uk/acatalog/index.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3EMI to Apple, Microsoft: ditching DRM is going to cost you
The People to ALL MEDIA COMPANIES: Not ditching DRM is going to cost you - stubadub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's a bad comparison. DRM is already a required component of most download services. DIVX was never a significant factor.
- m0shen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Makes me wonder if anyone over at EMI has taken economics or business reg. Listen, EMI guys.... here's the deal. Since your catalog is available for free online AND piracy is not typically considered a crime by the perpetrators YOU WILL HAVE TO COMPETE WITH _FREE_. Get over it.
Some movie companies are starting to catch on by offering no frills DVDs in high piracy areas for pennies. - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@j2007
I know I hound you all the time with this, but I think this has to constitute a running joke by now or something.
However, I do agree with you in principal, so please don't take my chiding as mean-spirited. It's all in fun. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Is that a serious question?
- Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The thing is we shouldn't have to. There are many great artists under the RIAA's belt that aren't cookie cutter. However I've decided for those artists I enjoy, I have just gone back to buying their cd's. However I do agree with your sentiment about buying DRM free tracks from non-label artists. I'm finding many of the non-label artists have more talent in their left pinky than the cookie cutter acts under the RIAA's belt do. If you guys don't believe me, check out podcasts like Next Big Hit, or Binary Starcast. Both of these podcasts in my opinion are playing music we should be hearing on the radio, it's just too bad radio as we know it are in bed with the RIAA. However most of the artists these podcast play can be purchased DRM free, in some cases they just give their tracks away for free.
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That position alone would make me dump a ton of cash on iTunes, DRM or not, just to put an end to the record company cartels.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Instead of bitching and moaning, just buy non-label, non-DRM music. You complain that the labels have cookie-cutter artists anyway, so stop buying them! How hard is it? Just go to sites like Magnatune.com. No DRM, low cost, artists treated fairly, good music, 100% legal.
If you're still doing business with the labels, then you are just being whiny hypocrites. - acomj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah!
Pay more for more..
Slightly better than the Pay More for less functionality we have now (ie torrented DRM free files are more functional)
Of course Labels should consider that the torrented free files are more valuable than the DRM files that they sell, so any premium over the DRMed songs they sell now should be very very small. - Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If EMI is so worried about people sharing their DRM free music so much, they should just have all their CD's pulled out of brick & mortar stores right now. Hypocrites! Come on EMI, what's the difference in buying a DRM free track online and getting it on CD? What's that? With the obvious exception of sound quality, absolutely no difference. So you are telling me I should have to pay more for a DRM free music track versus what I'd have to pay for it on a audio cd? Are you guys high? What ever you are smoking, please don't share it with the rest of us.
- sputza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its like the record companies want to be paid upfront for expected piracy... Thats like paying a speeding ticket before ever speeding.
- supermanred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I take back anything nice I said about EMI when I heard they were ditching DRM!
***** you EMI. And ***** DRM.
DRM-Free music means I BUY IT.
Music with DRM means ***** YOU I will get it for free (copy) and use it on all my devices.
I will NOT purchase DRM music I can only use on one device.
I am a child of the 80s. When I purchase a cassette tape or record, I want the right to transfer it to my walkman or ghetto blaster. If I cant do that because of stupid software restrictions, I will simply download the illegal free version I can put anywhere.
You guys really DONT GET IT. I want to buy a ***** song or album ONCE and be able to play it (I BOUGHT THE ***** THING!) in my car, mp3 player, computer, on my xbox 360 and my tv. I dont want to buy it 10 ***** times from 10 different sources to play it on 10 different items.
So, ***** OFF!!! You keep on the DRM ***** and we will just get the illegal versions. Its like asking someone, would you like this free car you can drive ANYWHERE ANYTIME but is slightly illegal, or would you like to purchase this 10,000 dollar car that you can only drive on wednesdays to and from church? Obviously people will seek the superior , restriction free product. - 1charmedlife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What's REALLY funny is that if anything, non-DRM music should cost LESS for several very clear reasons:
1. The Industry won't have to pay research, development and licensing fees to companies who make the DRM schemes, which are not cheap.
2. Legal proceedings against file shares would hopefully drop as more people choose legal Fair-Use downloads.
3. There won't be any re-encoding costs to whatever new format and new DRM scheme happens to come along next week. - zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what's the point of ditching DRM when they fought so hard to have it entreanched in the legal system?
- apasco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0EMI is gonna tank anyways... they"re just lookin for some quick bucks before they do.
Have you noticed them cutting jobs and budgets all across the board?
ya. ***** emi. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3sure. i'd probably pay 5ยข more a track for DRM free music. i don't pirate. i only buy DRM music (iTunes) now and while it's never been a particular problem... i'd consider paying a slight premium to not have it be an issue.
- MrUnderbridge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"Are they this blind?"
You have to ask? - WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1robdazomba : "Apple and thankfully, they have taken a clear stance against DRM"
You would only think that if you didn't understand that Jobs was simply shifting the blame and not taking a stance against anything.
"Something's up with this. We all need to watch for attempts to portray MS's online music efforts as being every bit as big and successful as Apple's."
Yes, that's the big conspiracy! You've figured it out! Now on to your next venture! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1getting a TCP Error, so
www.duggmirror.com - m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1It seems people are extremely bias when it comes to predictions about what will happen in a DRM free music scene.
"yet it is unclear as to why DRM-free music should cost more" = ignorance.
No DRM means more revenue/profit = idiocy
No DRM = facilitates using the song without restrictions, on any device you want, and by any means you want
That means it pretty much facilitates file sharing, because there is no CD rip, then file convert process anymore. It would be simply buy, download, share. Easier.
By definitively (as explained) facilitating file sharing, it's fair to predict file sharing will increase. And that means if people already have your music, they don't need or want to buy it. So then it's safe to predict music sales will go down. And if sales go down, profits (for them) need to be maintained, so like any industry would do, they would jack up the prices or add a one time tax to make up for lost sales. Similar to the tax I hear they get from every sale of blank discs because, those too to them, facilitate file sharing (in some obscure way).
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