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- shadydentist, on 10/15/2008, -1/+136Its laughable to call the protesters pirates. Pirates don't care how much DRM is on the game because there's no DRM on the cracked copy.
- pigfister, on 10/15/2008, -4/+120EA and Sony (Sony make SecuROM DRM) destroying the second hand market together.
Sony already has had negative press due to their infamous patent, blocking 2nd hand game resale's.
Is This The Future Of Gaming, ANTI-CONSUMER?
http://itvibe.com/news/4063/
FTA: At the start of the year Sony filed a patent that could threaten the second hand games market and independent retailers alike.
However retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar that "high street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought"
It seems that Sony intend to do this by adopting a licensing scheme which means that gamers won't actually own their games, instead they will merely be purchasing a licence to play them.
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RIAA, SOUNDEXCHANGE, BPI, IFPI, CRIA, Ect, Ect, Ect:
# Sony BMG Music Entertainment
# Universal Music Group
# Warner Music Group
# EMI
MPAA:
# The Walt Disney Company
# Sony Pictures
# Paramount Pictures Viacom—(DreamWorks owners since February 2006)
# 20th Century Fox (News Corporation)
# Universal Studios (NBC Universal)
# Warner Bros. (Time Warner) - Beylan, on 10/15/2008, -4/+101In a word: Tough.
Money is the only thing these people understand. If you want to get a message across to them, then it better have a dollar sign attached. I for one will never again buy an EA (or Ubisoft after hearing about Far Cry 2) game with all these strings attached.
The whole point of these systems is to scam gamers out of their $60 while preventing them from playing the games they paid for.
I don't NEED Dead Space. I don't NEED Warhammer Online. I don't NEED Mirror's Edge. And even if every single game company out there starts putting this kind of draconian crap on their games, then I don't NEED any games at all. I'm sure there is much more useful and productive hobbies I can take up.
And most of them would be a lot cheaper, too. - built2spill, on 10/15/2008, -2/+98DRM was the insult and Spore's lack of fun (for the most part) was the injury.
- apothekari, on 10/15/2008, -1/+77At a time when the world economy has lept off a cliff and video games have been one of the few places some companies CAN make some money,EA puts the screws to consumers over and over.
I waited 3 years to play Spore and then bailed out because I WILL NOT be limited on my installs for a program I PURCHASED!
The EA rep quoted in the article is a complete ***** and completely fails to see the problem his company is facing.
His attitude is EXACTLY the same as the arrogant traders/business leaders in the stock market that destroyed the worlds economy.
I have said it before and I'll say it again EA continues down this road at their peril. - sathias, on 10/16/2008, -0/+54Why point the finger just at EA? Ubisoft announced today that Far Cry 2 will have very similar DRM.
My suggestion to PC gamers who want to make their voices heard is to buy Fallout 3. Bethesda decided not to put DRM into this huge release, large sales figures would go some way to justifying their decision. - Beylan, on 10/15/2008, -0/+40These DRM systems have very little to do with piracy.
Say I go out and buy Far Cry 2 for $60, play all the way through it and beat it in one evening. I uninstall it and throw in in my CD case. The next day I tell my neighbor about it and he hasn't played it, so I give him my copy. After all, I beat it and have no further use for it.
According to these guys my neighbor is a thief. It doesn't matter that I paid for the game, am no longer using it, and have no intention of ever playing it again.
If you don't pay the publisher the full amount then you don't deserve to play their game. THATS what they are trying to eliminate. The gifting or selling of used games.
You buy a legit (used) copy off of ebay = theft
Your buddy at work/school gives you his copy he no longer wants = theft
You sell/trade your old copy to a game shop= theft
Its the same theory that the MPAA has been trying to push for movies. If you go out and buy Iron Man on DVD and then invite your friends over to watch it with you, they are stealing from Hollywood because while you paid for 1 disc, there is more than 1 person watching. They are getting the entertainment for free without paying anything for it to its makers. - Pecheckler, on 10/16/2008, -4/+43***** EA AND ***** THEIR DRM
- bloodqc, on 10/16/2008, -0/+34Since when EA's C&C is a "quality title"?
I miss Westwood Studios. - chthonical, on 10/15/2008, -1/+30We need to have a good smear ad campaign against EA to bring them down a notch or three.
- DanNZN, on 10/15/2008, -0/+27So lets see, recycling everything else....good. Recycling games...bad.
Ok got it O.o - talmand, on 10/16/2008, -0/+26I have a box in my closet full of PC games spanning over the last fifteen years. Occasionally when a new game hasn't sparked my interest I rummage through the box to play something old that I remembered enjoying. Many of those games were developed and published by companies that no longer exist. So if those games were using a similar DRM where it had to register online for a server that was not there, then my only hope is for a patch to fix it or I'm screwed.
The issue is not short term installs but long term. If there is a point in the future that you cannot install the game because of its DRM then you are in effect renting it for a specified timeframe.
But I think the number of installs is not the biggest complaint. The biggest complaint is that the consumer feels as if they are being treated like a criminal because of DRM that doesn't actually do the thing it is supposed to, stop piracy. Only paying customers have to deal with DRM restrictions. - belebih, on 10/16/2008, -0/+25Of course people are gonna skip their games regardless of how good they are. I mean, it doesn't matter how hot that girl you wanna bang is, most people will probably just pass if you had to get fisted elbow deep in the ass by her dad before even going out with her.
And yeah yeah, classy, I know. :) - SgtQuackers, on 10/16/2008, -4/+29This is why PC gaming is dieing. Because of EA good games are subject to horrible DRM like this. I will not buy an EA game until they stop putting this crap in my games.
- snowysnowcones, on 10/16/2008, -0/+25Thing only thing DRM does is hurt those that legitimately buy the game.
I don't understand why companies don't "get it". - Blacksoth, on 10/16/2008, -1/+26When the CEO isn't interested in what customers WHO BUY HIS COMPANY'S PRODUCT think and dismisses them as "probably pirates" it's clear which direction EA is going.
I was going to take a look at Warhammer but I'm not interested in dealing with EA's ***** if they're gonna continue with this nonsense.
Blizzard isn't perfect but at least they don't harrass people that pay for their products or accuse them of piracy. - imperfectepoch, on 10/16/2008, -1/+24For every "great" EA game there will always be plenty more games from other companies without DRM built-in. Maybe we should buy those..
- kraetos, on 10/16/2008, -0/+23I'm not buying RA3. No way no how. Something tells me it wont even be that good.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -0/+22If it wasnt for the DRM, I would have bought Spore. Even with the lackluster reviews, I prolly would have gotten some enjoyment out of it.
But ***** DRM, and EA. - Tarl, on 10/16/2008, -1/+22DRM: May cause titles to miss out on good gamers.
Fixed. - Chicken, on 10/16/2008, -0/+21If what you say is true about no DRM on fallout 3 then I will definitely be buying a copy.
- Azriel7, on 10/16/2008, -0/+20Sorry, Spore was my first and last game where EA screwed me over with DRM. I guess I won't be buying any of these games coming out. If only there was a way that I could get the game free, without DRM.... hmm
Sing along with me!:
"Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirates life for me.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A19q7rysLs&feature ... - SuperSneaks, on 10/16/2008, -0/+20If EA can screw up Command & Conquer 3 then they will definitely find some way to screw up Red Alert 3.
- AlaskaLoneWolf, on 10/15/2008, -0/+19Wish there was a way to pull off a "Boston Tea-Party"
type counter-piece of guerrilla marketing to make them @-holes
finally give up on that DRM sh!t once and for all. Sheeeeeesh.
There are so many other ways of generating capitol from the field,
without pissing off the customers. - psg188, on 10/16/2008, -1/+18Don't swear off gaming, take up Steam, or try other games... like Bethesda titles.
I've always found Valve and Bethesda have genuine respect for their consumers. - Khast, on 10/16/2008, -0/+17There is no way I will willingly put SecuROM on my computer, I don't give a rat's ass about how godlike the game is going to make me if I own it. I don't give a ***** if it is the best game made this century. I will not allow any program to run within my computer which prevents me from using the program in a legitimate way, spies on me, disables hardware, and acts like a virus. (If I want that *****, I'll go to some porn, or warez site, where trash like that belongs.)
If all these ***** can see has a dollar sign before it....pay close attention....$$$$$$$$***** YOU and the horse you rode in on. - talmand, on 10/16/2008, -1/+18And the funny part is that if a paying customer is screwed by the DRM and the only way for the customer to actually play the game is to get a cracked exe then they are in fact a criminal. Bypassing almost any copy protection scheme is considered illegal under the DMCA.
Well, only those of us suckers in America I suppose. - bjornski, on 10/16/2008, -0/+16@Blacksoth
Same here with Red Alert 3 for me.
It looks neat, but no, I'm done with EA titles. They get to be boycotted by me just like Sony and McDonalds. - mdman, on 10/16/2008, -0/+15thats why you can already find Spore, hacked on bit torrent.
DRM only causes people to buy other software or distribute hacked versions free - mdman, on 10/16/2008, -0/+15now try setting it up again when you buy a new pc, now that you have used all your setups... you will have to call EA for just one more activation, then its dead for good.
- gdonald, on 10/16/2008, -1/+16Good titles? Spore sucks ass and the DRM is no help.
http://destiney.com/blog/dear-will-wright-spore-is ...
http://destiney.com/blog/spore-buyer-s-remorse - WoollyMittens, on 10/16/2008, -0/+14If I pay for it and drag it home, it's mine.
- legatus, on 10/16/2008, -0/+13I had no intention of playing this game, but I will buy a copy on principle.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -1/+14I don't think not buying a game is a good enough protest. I got the torrent of Spore and burned 10 copies that I gave away for free to people I knew were planning to purchase it. The funny part is, all 10 people hated the "game" and don't even play it any longer.
- fredJdukes, on 10/16/2008, -1/+13I know *I* pass on EA games when I see em now.
It's not just the DRM, it's the way they do business in general. - darienphoenix, on 10/16/2008, -0/+12I don't understand this comment that I'll be missing out on good games by boycotting EA.
As long as it is easier to play the game I want, without ridiculous restrictions, by pirating it than by purchasing a legitimate copy, I will be doing the former. - Huzsar, on 10/16/2008, -0/+12@dysfunction
Actually Steam version of Farcry 2 will have the same DRM, much like Stalker Clear Sky, Crysis Warhead, and Bioshock when it was first released, Take 2 took the limit of thou. If you go to the Steam Farcry 2 page you can see "3rd-party DRM: SecuROMâ„¢ 5 machine activation limit". - Unrealevil, on 10/16/2008, -0/+12Companies like EA complain about piracy but this is their fault. It's not even a Catch-22 because this is what causes people to pirate in the first place. They take a preemptive strike and expect people to not respond. First you isolate your customers... then you continue targeting the few customers that you have left... and suddenly a 50 or 60 dollar game is worth as much as a rental from Blockbuster. So more and more people turn to cracked copies that don't have the DRM and now they have less and less and less support. Since we live in a "democracy", that means they're just five steps closer to making any case they ever had null and void.
- brwright, on 10/16/2008, -5/+16I will be skipping the cashier and jump ship to The Pirate Bay
- DeathfireD, on 10/16/2008, -0/+11I agree, I was really looking forward to Red Alert 3 but once I found out they where placing the same DRM in it as Spore, I said screw EA.
I think EA has just screwed the PC game market royally. Spore is one of the top downloaded PC games on many a torrent tracker. I can definitely see all their other titles going the same route now too. This not only kills their income in the PC market but also encourages piracy. Not to mention that all this increase in piracy is gonna make console games look even more attractive to game company's.
The sad thing is the only people buying EA's games legally are the ones that have no idea about the DRM. - Beylan, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10It hasn't gotten that bad yet, and I have no problem buying off of Steam or Impulse. They provide every bit as much value as they take away. What I was saying is that if this kind of crap is "the way of the future" then I CAN and WILL find other things to spend money on rather than pay for limited installs if that is all that remains.
- Araya213, on 10/16/2008, -4/+14I simply wont buy spore, i wont steal it either. Even if they got rid of the DRM today it won't matter, I'm done with EA.
- RoboDonut, on 10/16/2008, -2/+12"Unfortunately, the politics of piracy prevention are now hurting both EA and the gamers that want to support quality titles, and it doesn't look like there will be a happy resolution in the near future."
"Quality titles"? EA? What?
There are certain game developers who actually care about the quality of their work: Valve, Epic, id Software, maybe even Blizzard. These are the only game developers I care about. The rest can go bankrupt for all I care. - Blacksoth, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10See? Piracy increases with DRM.
- yannickmartin, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10I agree with the above. I'm skipping Red Alert 3 for the same reasons.
- legatus, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10Already happened on amazon
- apothekari, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9Oh really?
I submit it is precisely the attitude of "screw em! I'm making money so who gives a rats ass if the consumer gets a fair shake" that has gotten us where we are today.
"I get mine you get yours"
How exactly is this comparison overblown?
The ENTIRE economy worldwide is under going a MASSIVE Tsunami right now and Hmmmmm...Why does EA make games to begin with??
Oh yeah to make money.
When they lose sight of the goal of how this money comes to them: Here's a hint {by making us happy!} they do so at a substantial risk to themselves.
And RISK is the fulcrum of the market ,genius. - talmand, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9Except that this is only the beginning. Once they've gotten their hooks in one industry it will spread. Games you download to your console? Locked to that machine. The DRM we've seen so far have just been tests to see how far they can go with it. There is already evidence of this in several instances all in an attempt to control what you do with their content. At this rate it will reach the point that all games, songs and movies will be locked to whichever machine they are first played on. Want a different MP3 player? Buy the songs again. Want to upgrade your PC? Buy the games again. Console craps out on you and you replace it? Buy the game again.
They've backed down on some of the restrictive DRM lately due to complaints but how long will it be before those "features" slip right back in on a future product?
And this will involve DRM on the Mac as well. Take a look at some of the "requirements" on your Mac software and I bet you will see the same. The DRM people are complaining about now on PC games has been in use for years in professional level software such as Adobe products on both the PC and Mac. Your beloved Mac is not a safe haven just because it's market is not as big.
The reason to think this? Mainly because DRM does not do the very thing it is supposedly there for, stopping piracy. Only idiots and shareholders think it does. Assuming these people making the decisions are not total morons then there has to be another reason. One possibility is that they are chasing the long tail money by forcing people to repurchase on hardware change and stopping the second hand market. - gordonf238, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9Ironic. The very system these DRM technologies were aiming to beat are now the cause that many gamers turn to for an alternative.
- limezor2, on 10/16/2008, -2/+10This is why I love Blizzard. Starcraft 2's trilogy announcement doesn't even bother me. If they release three excellent games of Starcraft 2, I will buy them all.
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