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- Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -24/+77Suckers.
- mirunit, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62I really don't like the idea of being about to pay your way out of pollution debt; to each their own.
- LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -19/+57carbon credits are so *****, it's like going and sticking your hand in holy water and begging the priest for forgiveness!
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44No, its like buying indulgences to forgive you from your sins without actually having to do penance.
- DirtyCash, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Carbon credits?? Go plant some trees!
I'm all for being green but this sounds like an attempt to exploit everyones new found interest in being green.
If it costs "thousands of dollars" to continue this how is this beneficial to a business? - wimbet, on 10/12/2007, -13/+31I heard a radio DJ the other day mocking these carbon credits. He suggested buying abortion credits to offset all the babies being killed.
Really, how ridiculous is the idea of carbon and energy credits? - codyman, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27This just summorizes the whole "green" movement.... its a political power / money grab via inciting a sort of panic within the social structure, also trying to incite guilt for one's actions but offering "a way out of this guilt" i.e. paying money.... I know there are people out there who do care about the environment / aren't trying to make money, but overall, it is mostly about the money
- SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22"...we’ve also been deploying many more servers with notoriously power-efficient AMD processors."
Mwahahaha! Little do they know that I've been sneaking Intel processors into their server rooms for years!
So much for their little PR stunt...death to all humans! - rejectnation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Will this help to minimize my downtime issues... I don't know...
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12From the Green-e website:
"A staggering ninety-eight percent1 of electricity in the United States comes from non-renewable resources such as coal, natural gas, nuclear power, and large hydropower. "
I dunno, last time I checked.. hydropower was renewable. At least until we don't have weather anymore. - LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I plant Cannabis for both helping my environment, setting good mood, and for smoking at the end of their season!
Seriously, Cannabis helps the soil and eliminates radiation destruction of it, and it has to do something with the carbon footprint of my area. It beats being suckered out of $$$ for carbon credits! - 0siris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"You’re not at all worried that all these carbon offset trusts are just someone’s bright idea how to make an awful lot of money very quickly, cashing in on globalwarming™, and in turn do absolutely nothing, well maybe donate some of the money, but how much do they take for themselves? I’m very sceptical, especially as you might as well be buying a product which you will never see, at least I haven’t seen any wind or solar plants popping up where I live..."
First comment... pretty dead on. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tags - vvaduva, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is a pr stunt. It's like Al Gore buying credits from his own corporation to make up for his mansion's utilization. Heck, if I find 5,000 people to each give me $1 a month so they feel better about carbon output, I PROMISE I'll balance it all out on their behalf. Promise!
- smoothhabitat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Um.. no. I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to side with the thousands of scientists that spend their lives studying the climate instead of 3 biostitutes that are paid by exxon to deny it.
- kitwaites, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10LucianSolaris = shill. Get out of bed with Jonny and realise that there's no such thing as unlimited hosting unless your host owns unlimited hard disks and can pay for unlimited bandwidth.
Stop promoting *****. - 0siris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Just plant trees for money. Thats all it is, you pay someone else to plant trees, and maintain a certain number of trees in your name. I was thinking myself of buying so forest upstate NY, and selling the trees "carbon deductions" off to suckers...i mean customers.
- awm4, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Is that why so many people sponser children in Africa?
They should have Sally Struthers on TV telling everyone that 'If you sponser this starving child from Africa for only the cost of a cup of coffee you can be guilt free for having that abortion. For only 29 cents a day God will forgive you for sure.' - bradsh, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Feels like a few hundred years ago when the Catholic Church let you "buy your way out of your sins" by donating. Unsettling. If everyone buys their way out, somebody who doesn't make much carbon gets money, but I have news, carbon doesn't give a ***** where you send your money.
- ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I own a Hummer, but it's ok; I buy carbon credits! I can pollute as much as I want! I should get a bumper sticker to let everyone know how much better I am than them.
- moracity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Carbon credits are the epitome of liberal hypocrisy. It's tool for the elite to buy off their own personal guilt. Carbon credits are a complete scam and anyone who buys into it is a complete fool. The fact that Dreamhost buys into this is enough to make me start looking for a new webhost. The way to reduce pollution is o stop creating it, not buy "carbon offsets". It's like maxing out your credit card, then borrowing more money to pay it off, then maxing it out again before you payoff the borrowed money.
- Glauck006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I heard earlier that those carbon credits cost like less than 10 dollars for a ton of emissions, so this is like a slap on the wrist for them(the business) and a slap in the face for real conservationists.
- cfizzo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5carbon credits are a scam. thats all you need to know.
- ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"2. It's beneficial to business because business won't exist if people do not exist. People won't exist very long if we don't reduce carbon emission to 80% of 1990s levels by 2050."
Holy *****, you're stupid. That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on digg, and that is saying a lot. Where do people come up with this *****? - da5id, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Crackpots. Gonna kill all the plants -- they need CO2. Planthaters!
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"a certain webhost that i know also goes as far as to purchase credits to offset the emissions of their employees cars over the course of a year (and they buy them every year)"
FTFA:
"even the gas in our cars that bring us to the office"
They do mention adding a second office in another part of LA to reduce commuting time; to me that seems to be the only thing they've done to reduce their footprint. - DirtyCash, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Donating to Earth saving companies is good.
Carbon Credits and I assume the politics involved in purchasing them just seems like cruft. It is probably just as easy to find some good comapnies to donate to and be done with it. It would probably involve less publicity though with all the cool buzz words missing and all. - bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's an economic stop gap. Think, reversed subsidy. I'm not sure I understand it as a voluntary program though. The idea would be that forcing businesses to buy back their polution would turn reducing polution output into a fiscal advantage. Just going out and buying credits for the hell of it is retarded though. The money would be better spent looking at ways to reduce polution output to begin with.
- usercc, on 10/12/2007, -25/+28Can I set up a carbon credit scam like Al Gore so dumbasses like DreamHost will pay me?
CC - cfizzo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4carbon credits is a scam ran by al gore and his company that makes money selling them.
they are still putting out the same amount of pollutants, so how is that carbon neutral? carbon neutral is running your entire business off of solar power.. even then the production of your materials takes many carbon emissions so there is no such thing as carbon neutral. - clesch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ LucianSolaris:
"We are back up...
Well mostly. The site is still under construction, and has some blank pages. The site took a bit longer to update then originally planed with the new automated system we have implemented.
You may have also noticed an increase in the prices, this will not effect our current clients. We are working hard to complete the site and have all the new and current features working again for you."
lol. - fsjonsey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5We don't want to give up our exorbitant lifestyles, so we'll pay someone to force impoverished Africans to do it!
- blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Cool, that'll give them an excuse for more downtime... "Sorry. The server is biodegradable".
- xptweakerntn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Global Warming is like a religion, see for yourself.
http://techystuff.info/?p=10 - catbeller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Carbon commodities markets won't work. Commodities traders are smarter, more vicious, sneakier, and more motivated than those monitoring them. Let them loose, and you have the oil market or Enron. The commodities market model is a sop to the free trader ideologues from the environmental political leaders. It won't solve the problem, and will lead to some bastards becoming very wealthy as the problem worsens. The real solution is cleaner tech and a change in our expectations of how the world should work, combined with a solid family-size reduction plan across the planet.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Nuclear power is also very renewable...if we discover an efficient source of fusion.
- wildcattdw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Here here! The issues that have given nuclear power a bad name (TMI, Chernobyl) could have been preventable with proper training for staff and proper system monitoring (read the wikipedia article on TMI, one of the early problems was a valve that didn't close, and there was no proper feedback to the operators). Nuclear power can be safe if properly done; built safely (not lowest bidder) and hire/pay properly trained staff.
Wind power deserves more implementation as well. - MaxCAD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4this is total BS.
- wbgo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's far from ideal, but it is, at least, better than doing nothing. Most companies just carry on as before, but it does mean real investment in measures to reduce or reverse environmental damage. The money may well be better spent on research than on efforts to maintain the status quo, but that would mean companies weren't able to make the marketing-friendly claim of being "carbon neutral".
It's certainly better than, for example, the idiotic, market-skewing German system of forcing power companies to buy green power from private persons' solar panels or wind turbines at 10 times the market price.
I personally think there should be more investment in public transport and, in particular, encouraging cycling where possible. As opposed to this carbon-neutral business, it has a whole range of knock-on benefits in terms of traffic congestion and health. - samnmax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Carbon credits are not *****. The problem with things the way they stand is that when someone pollutes, everyone pays. Carbon credits give you one of two options, either a) don't pollute, or b) pay for your effect on the environment. Someone else had those credits to sell because they lowered the amount of pollution they caused. If they were not able to sell those credits, they likely would have polluted a whole lot more.
People have to keep in mind that there are some industries which we do want to keep that do happen to have a negative effect on the environment. Society is willing to put up with *some* pollution, but not too much. Carbon credits ensure that those that pollute pay for the harm they cause, and those that save energy equivalently get rewarded. Without such a system, there is little incentive to reduce emissions. - BigFoot48, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This country needs to be 100% nuclear for electric power, and the coal, oil and gas needs to be saved for much more important things. Reduce global warming and insure an energy future for our country.
- tennisOK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ liddy
You say this with some conviction, but you don't seem to know the facts. Water vapour /does/ form a large volume of greenhouse gases, *but* its effects are small compared with CO2. Furthermore, the increasing levels of C02 actually increase the levels of water vapour in the atmosphere, further exacerbating the problem. Likewise, a global increase in temperature also increases the levels of CO2. This is known as a feedback loop, and has been observed in the lab, and within the atmosphere.
The problem with this entire "debate" is that it has become politicized via the mass media, which means scientific debate is dulled or obfuscated (See the Great Global Warming Swindle...) and people without any understanding of the science make ill-informed polemic based on their entrenched prejudices, rather than a rational understanding of the science involved. - liddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is damn shame. I have been considering using Dreamhost for various projects. Not now. I don't want to give any of my money to this craziness. The majority of green house gases are water vapor. If massive global warming is headed our way, the only thing we can do is pump all our water into the vacuum of space.
- yosaito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't eitherIf it really was them tying to be green and not a publicity stunt. Given this companies reputation is there anything to qualify the statements they are making.
- bstolzberg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2hey - props to them for being proactive and playing the legal game. how many other webhosts have done that before? NONE! Good for them for trying to do something positive IMHO.
- JexMedia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A great step taken by DreamHost!
And to the people who are singing crap about DH and its services: Jump in a well if you expect DreamHost to provide highly powerful web hosting services for pennies. They are already providing much more than what you pay for. Go get a dedicated server if your website is so important to you. - tony23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I don't see what's wrong with this. It's obviously not a scam, because no one that claims that has any evidence. And it's going to a 501(c)3, so if the money was not being used well they would go to jail."
You're being sarcastic, right? There is practically no real accountability for how a 501(c)3 spends its money.
"Also, what's wrong with paying money to offset your carbon output? People are saying "go plant trees". Well if you have money and no time, what's wrong with paying other people to plant trees?"
Maybe you could actually reduce your own emissions?
What a novel concept! - forcedfx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think that is pretty much still the case. Make a donation to the Vatican and you'll be able to take communion again after divorcing your spouse.
- TrojanGuy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Although there are a lot of unreputable businesses that sell carbon credits, if you guys read the story you'd see that they've tried hard to make sure that the companies that they buy their credits from are reputable and will do what they say they will do w/ each credit that is purchased. And if you still think it's *****, you apparently don't understand how carbon credits work.
- dchaosdx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6i call shenanigans! EVERYONE GET YOUR BROOMS!
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