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- anarchist101, on 05/30/2009, -9/+157No harm, no foul.
Evidently the legal system still works in Spain.
Consider the Internet to be the library of the world. Everyone can check out a copy, and even better, you don't have to return it. Just delete it when you are done. - racerboy99, on 05/29/2009, -4/+135Spain.. the new home of P2P users..
GOGOGO! xD - khaosx2030, on 05/29/2009, -4/+109Spain is pretty awesome for this.
Should The Pirate Bay move there when ***** hits the fan in Sweden? - Nicholas1989, on 05/30/2009, -0/+92Yo quiero seeds.
- DarkDays, on 05/29/2009, -4/+87"...the legal system in Spain continues to stand firmly behind those who share music and movies without financial gain."
Lovely - marcb83, on 05/30/2009, -2/+63what were you expecting the Spanish Inquisition?
- yocouchdigga, on 05/30/2009, -4/+653222 downloaded and shared movies man is pretty cool guy. eh shares music and movies without financial gain and doesn't afraid of anything.
"Would you download a car?"
As many as I possibly could... - Luminoth545, on 05/30/2009, -0/+44Are you suggesting the rebirth of Spanish Privateering?
- y0urcl0ne, on 05/29/2009, -5/+39I <3 P2P!
- 3242130193, on 05/30/2009, -4/+35There's just no point in supporting an outdated, ineffective business model no matter how much you push it through legislature. Good job by the Spanish, hope common sense catches on in the rest of the world.
- maz2331, on 05/30/2009, -1/+26But at 3333 they come down on you hard?
- flyinghippo, on 05/30/2009, -1/+23Looks like Spain has enough reason to acknowledge that it doesn't hurt nearly as much as for-profit piracy. Copyright infringement may be breaking the law regardless, but thank goodness for these sensible judges.
- Orion2569, on 05/30/2009, -1/+23"You Wouldn't steal a car..."
... Well i might... if all i had to do was touch it, and a few minutes later i owned the car.... and the person whose car i touched got to keep the car... and everyone i knew stole cars by the thousands... then... yeah... i think i might steal a car... - CoD4, on 05/30/2009, -0/+19downloading the new camaro before gm hits the floor
- ceredron, on 05/30/2009, -3/+21BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SPANISH INDUSTRY!??!!?!?!? THEIR ***** WILL ALL DIE BECAUSE NOBODY IS MAKING A PROFIT GUYS, P2P RUINS SPAIN BY MAKING ENTERTAINERS LOSE TRILLIONS IF NOT QUADRILLIONS OF EUROS DON'T YOU KNOW, FOR ***** SAKE THEY'RE GOING TO CAUSE THE APOCALYPSE ... AAUAUUUUaaahgg...
~ Statement from RIAA representative - Amatsu77, on 05/30/2009, -2/+20I'm a long time reader of digg but finally figured I should register... so, hi.
I have to say, it's pretty obvious both sides have strong arguments. It's obvious stealing is wrong, we are all aware of this. But, if we're going to call to task the consumers who turn to piracy for doing just that, be it because it's easier, cheaper, "getting with the times," whatever. Why don't we do the same to an industry that long ago proved they don't care about us, only how much they can inflate profits and still be the only game in town?
The movie industry, not so much of an annoyance for me re: the piracy front, more so the ratings issue, but that's a different ballgame. When a group representing the RIAA, however, sues a woman the amount of a decent home for ... what was it.. her children downloading a few songs? As Richard Roundtree said, that's ridiculous to the point of being offensive.
I don't pirate. I don't download. I like buying a disc and owning it (video games, these days.) What I don't like is being treated like a second class citizen by the heavy handed tactics of bloated corporations who are biting the hand that feeds. I don't buy anything but video games anymore. The last 5 years of apathy spewing forth, from the RIAA in particular, just doesn't make me WANT to be a buyer of what they are selling. I WOULD care that people pirate, but I don't. The industry stopped caring about asking me how I wanted to give them my money, since it is my permission to give and instead seems to think it can demand how I hand it over. Well, in that case then I guess we can agree they won't get any at all from my pockets until they grow up. - alsazen, on 05/30/2009, -0/+16FTA:
"Not everyone agrees with Spain’s liberal view on copyright infringement. According to the US, the Spanish government has done little “to change the widespread misperception in Spain that peer-to-peer file-sharing is legal.” "
Now I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that peer-to-peer file sharing is legal everywhere (along with HTTP, FTP and every other method of transferring files). I was always under the impression the bone of contention was regarding the transfer of copyright material (whether by peer-to-peer, FTP or by regular HTTP file download from a website).
Isn't it the US music and movie industries that are trying to spread the "misperception" that peer-to-peer file-sharing is illegal? - Tunic, on 05/30/2009, -1/+17Yeah, in the Description right on this page the man quote "downloaded and shared 3322 copyrighted movies"
- Bologner, on 05/30/2009, -5/+20What the *****? LOGIC?!?
- inactive, on 05/30/2009, -1/+15NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
- rpgmakr, on 05/30/2009, -0/+13I don't think so. The spanish RIAA, the SGAE (http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=ladrones) has a stronghold with politicians there. Never mind the taxing of every device with storage capability just because they _assume_ that you will put illegal downloaded stuff in there (remember that this is done the name of preserving the "culture").
Spain, if anything, is RIAA wet dreams. It doesn't matter how bad the business goes or how outdated their business model is, they still get their cut. - inactive, on 05/30/2009, -5/+16***** THE MPAA.
- theaceoffire, on 05/30/2009, -0/+11No one would suspect the Spanish Pirateization!
- theaceoffire, on 05/30/2009, -0/+10@MScrip: If he had a ratio of 0.01, he would have still shared 33 movies. The RIAA and MPAA are happy to sue people for millions over single downloads, much less uploads.
- inactive, on 05/30/2009, -0/+10GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - flaminglips, on 05/30/2009, -1/+11Not true.
My school library has access to databases that have a lot of documents available online.
Eventually every book will be on a database that libraries will have access to. Sure you won't physically have the book in your hands, but people will just download it on to their personal computer/kindle type device and that wont matter. - djdingo, on 05/30/2009, -2/+123322 movies shared? How much storage would that take up?
Let's say each movie is 700MB, fits on a CD-R.
3322 x 700MB = 2325400MB which is over 2.3 TERABYTES of movies! Wow! - BossKey, on 05/30/2009, -1/+10MScrip, you ask too many questions. We didn't expect a sort of Spanish inquisition.
- Jaime2000, on 05/30/2009, -0/+9Yes, that's why the internet is even better than a library. The internet will be the new and improved library of the 21st century.
- phillymatt, on 05/30/2009, -2/+10You having family in Spain really has nothing to do with this, unless the guy in the story is your uncle or something. But thanks for sharing!
- longbow486, on 05/30/2009, -0/+8A digital library?
- Amatsu77, on 05/30/2009, -0/+7I agree with you on that one, completely. Valve seems to get it. Some friends of mine don't like Steam but I think it's great. It should be the prototype for digital downloads. I'm a console guy but, I have Steam on my pc just so I can keep in touch with friends on it and see what Valve is offering... if I had a decent gaming rig I'd buy from it but, my computer admittedly sucks :)
- timlump, on 05/30/2009, -0/+7Indeed, I only buy games now and dont pirate. Although to be honest most of my money is going to Valve as they are just so god damn nice to the fan base with their humour and offers on games and free weekends and chat/friend system and partial social networking system and default clan support.
- inactive, on 05/30/2009, -4/+11I don't know what century you people are living in.
The kid up there complaining about DRM? ***** I doubt you could find DRM music if you tried. Where on EARTH are you finding DRM albums?
And you're happy to pay, but only up to $1? And no credit cards, obviously. And no paypal either cos a % of that goes to an evil profit-making company, right?
Pre-paid return envelope delivered to your door so you can send in your <$1? Nah, that's like spam. You won't pay for spam.
But if the maker of a record or movie arranged a suitable time with you and visited you at home, you might THINK about giving them <$1.
Why don't you stop making these silly excuses and just say you won't be happy unless everything is free? At least you'd be honest. - Spire3660, on 05/30/2009, -1/+8SO is extended copyright beyond the length of the copyright that was in effect at the time of creation. Mickey Mouse should be copyright free now. He isnt because of corrupt laws. Im not saying all piracy is right, but neither side hands are clean.
- ThanatosST, on 05/30/2009, -0/+7
Don't blame pirates if you're losing jobs, blame the studios for making terrible movies. Although, the point that you're trying to make here, that pirates are stealing money from the studios and therefore people are losing jobs, is invalid. The profits that the industry has seen has grown each of the past couple years, while piracy has become far more widespread during the same time frame. In 2007, they made $9.63 Billion dollars. 2008, $9.78 billion (http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/01/what-pir ...
How is piracy killing the industry? - Midnitte, on 05/30/2009, -1/+7Of course, also please note that since the decline of such privateering and pirates, global warming has increased.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_mons ... - joshconsulting, on 05/30/2009, -8/+14So a better business model is letting people download your creation for free? I'm not saying the current model is perfect, but all the self-righteous supporters of P2P proclaiming it to be the profit model of the future kind of get on my nerves.
- Gundumfx, on 05/30/2009, -0/+6How IS that theft?
the original was never lost, unless you consider a picture of the Mona Lisa to be Piracy. because that metaphor is
much more accurate than the "steal a car" model. - Travelsonic, on 05/30/2009, -0/+6Theft isn't cool,
but this isn't theft, and you - and the people like you - really should stop being intellectually dishonest when talking "facts" to make your case.
Those people - props, stage, camera work, etc. get paid BEFORE the dvd release. - darkslide29, on 05/30/2009, -0/+5yeah, 2853 movies obviously would have been ok.
- damack, on 05/30/2009, -1/+6Spain is defintely awesome for this.
Some people won't be happy about this undoubtedly but I think we can all agree it's a better approach than the one we have which punishes all consumers collectively.
It's no wonder people are turning to piracy. - HighlanderBR, on 05/30/2009, -0/+5Dugg for the search key
- topapito, on 05/30/2009, -1/+6Spain is a pretty socialist country. It would stand to figure that the government would back the people instead of big business. A very sensible move on the part of the judges making these decisions. It is difficult to believe this will change though, the socialist party needs the votes. Putting regular Joes in jail for listening to music would cost them too many votes.
- alsazen, on 05/30/2009, -0/+5These were downloaded in 2003 and 2004, drives would have been a lot more expensive back then!
Also, got to wonder what his current download count is at - WishItWerePaul, on 05/30/2009, -2/+7this day and age its not all that much. couple of 1.5TB drives would run what, $150 apiece?
- XeroXenith, on 05/30/2009, -0/+5@m3arvk
Uhh, the creators of Mickey Mouse are dead. As in, completely. Shouldn't their work be put into to public domain for all to enjoy without so-called "rights holders" restricting distribution? - dsmx, on 05/30/2009, -5/+9In an age where distribution costs of media is almost zero the price of media should be going down. But it doesn't it keeps going up and as long as that trend continues piracy will keep being a problem.
The internet has forced the free market onto the media industry and it hates it. - N0vember, on 05/30/2009, -0/+4So you are admitting it is even better than a library.
- Toadette, on 05/30/2009, -0/+4That's an awful amount of work for 5 dollars.
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