What is Digg?536 Comments
- hooksie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+464The users have gotten their point across. Now lets all go back to the Digg we know and love.
- taskrok, on 10/12/2007, -12/+156besides, we all have the sequence memorized now anyway.
- ConfusedONE, on 10/12/2007, -42/+135I agree, let's go back to normal business. However, all the other people who still are doing this still will do it because let's face it, they want something to rebel against and be childish about. The fanboys just are emulating what the one before them did. The stories are still streaming in and people don't even know this story exists. They all think they won, but in reality - they just made digg lose a lot of credibility.
You heard me, it wasn't Kevin or Jay's fault that digg lost credibility, it was when all of you rabid fanboys decided to spam with nonsense. Utilizing tragedies and lies (shootings, cures for cancer, whatever) to further your agenda - sounds like a certain bad president.
digg me down if you wish - you know its true. - mygans, on 10/12/2007, -8/+81i wud still love to see that 16000 digg story unhidden or somethin....and the users gets their accounts back.....hmm.....most exciting day in internet for me......ever!!
- shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72Digg Defense Fund, anyone? I'm for it if it comes down to that.
- tuka, on 10/12/2007, -8/+64Sometimes doing the right thing is scary, take those steel balls and choke the DRM pushers of the world
- rk_cr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+62Too little? Kevin gave Digg users exactly what they wanted, and more. It's not limited to simply allowing the posting of the code - he's also shown the user base that Digg is and will remain a relatively democratic system.
Too late? The deleted post was from two days ago. The explosion in reaction only started a few hours ago! Do you think Kevin should have responded in a few minutes or something? - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -10/+63i love digg now more than ever, because they're standing up for our rights....
- glittalogik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58Right on. If this goes to court, I'll pledge $10 towards your legal costs. Play this right, and you'll have an army at your side.
- CMaff24, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53I can't wait to rip the HD-DVD of the documentary they make about this day.
- RobertS44, on 10/12/2007, -25/+71Can we get back to real content now kids? kthx
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44I can't help but think we hurt Kevin's feelings. Now I feel bad. If Digg is taken to court for this, I think every single Digg member ought to pitch in for the legal costs. We made our stand clear, and Digg listened to us. Now, it's time to put our money were our mouths are.
- adderx99, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38kevin, all i can say is, the next episode of diggnation better be "brought to you by 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0."
- rocketengineer, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45I'm not sure this is something digg should go down for. They helped bring the world together by giving us the power to share news freely. I applaud Kevin for standing by his personal morals, but this site isn't some hobby. We are talking the livelihood of 20-30 people. They have to cover their legal butts, and I feel they did the right thing by taking the stories down. Its illegal for the time being, and thats that, end of story, period. Instead of spamming digg with stories protesting here, protest in a letter to your congressman about how all this DRM crap is just pointless. Kevin, if you ever read this, just know there are at least some of us that understand how the real world works, and no matter what, we will support you and digg in any manner we can. If you block everything related to HD-DVD, I wouldn't mind if that means that I can get access to the other thousands of stories I like to read on a daily basis. The world isn't perfect and never will be. Good luck digg, no matter what the outcome is. I am writing my congressman once again tonight on diggs behalf to show my unrest to the right people.
- Boghiu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40I heart Kevin
- Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40It's not like there was any other choice, it was either face the dubious legal accusations (intellectual property, wtf?) or have their site basically turned into a piece of crap, and lose users.
- rk_cr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37We all make mistakes. I'm glad Kevin is good enough to admit them and fix his past.
Besides, if this has really killed your whole Digg experience, why are you still here posting? Shouldn't you leave now? - merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -15/+40This was officially the most exciting day on the internet ever.
One more time... ?
Why not...
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - webcrunch, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30I think the Digg crew didn’t handle this wery well at first.
They should probably have posted an entry in their blog prior to the deletion of the story, perhaps even showing a copy of the letter from the MPAA, and redirecting the anger towards who really deservers it, instead of deleting the story and reacting afterwards.
In a way, I’m surprised they didn’t see it coming. It would have been soooo easy to turn the gun around, and yet, they pointed it right at their throat. It’s not like this is the first C&D letter a UGC site gets, for goddsake… - AWBoy666, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31http://images.art.com/images/-/Mel-Gibson---Braveheart--C10101922.jpeg
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooooooooooom!!!! - dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Thank you Kevin! You've listened to the masses. We can make a difference.
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive"
"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
--Both Quotes: Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence and our Third President.
I think we, as a community, collectively stood up and Jefferson would be proud.
If Jefferson we're alive today,
he might join us proudly to say:
"***** the **AA" - K4P741NxKRUNCH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20HDDVD: "Our encryption will blot out the fun"
Kevin: "Then we shall write in the shade"
THIS..IS..DIGGNATION! - noisymime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21So are all those accounts unsuspended now?
- m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Glad I wasn't the only one sitting back, thinking to myself "what a bunch of morons."
I buried every code story I could see just because I, too, understand that sometimes it doesn't matter what your personal preferences are, there are laws involved and if you want to break it behind your almighty "anonymous" online identity, fine, but don't drag digg into it and then SPAM digg into oblivion for trying to distance itself from your *****.
Kevin and co, you did the right thing to begin with. And frankly, I would have banned users, temporarily restricted sign ups and tried to restore order. Risking the livelihood of digg because of these idiots isn't worth it, but hey, it's your call and I'll stand by it. If digg goes down, I'll be around for whatever you guys do to replace it.
But let's hope it doesn't go down. Long live digg, down with stupidity. - Neo386, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19People need to calm down about this. Kevin and all the digg staff are nerds just like us, im sure they love the fact that HDDVD has been hacked (even if they cant say it publicly). You have to realize that they got threatened big time and had to make a quick decision. Whether it was the "right" or "wrong" decision depends on who you ask, but now that they have had a little time to think about it and fully grasp the situation they are taking the side of the community, and for that I am proud to be a digger.
- rycars, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28Digg positions, enquire within:
Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs (at) digg.com
NB: must be able to work 20h per day - DarthPilatus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18If Digg does get sued and taken down, I hope it was all worth it for the HD-DVD code.
But... but..
Digg is about the users! (Funny, the users aren't the ones who will end up getting sued)
It's easy to bitch and moan when you're not the one getting the Cease and Desist letters. - doople, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Yeah, if they've got the balls to actually stand up to this crap, they've got a million-man army to back them up.
edit: million-person army. Word on the street is, chicks digg too.
Viva la resistance.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - sschepis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Hey, it takes balls to admit you've made a mistake and to hold on to your integrity. Thumbs up to you, Kevin Rose.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I'll get dugg down for this, but I'm a little disgusted with the Digg community. Of all the things in the world to be outraged about, Diggers choose not being allowed to post the code to pirate HD-DVDs to go ballistic about? There are so many things more worthwhile to become an activist for. Then--surprisingly enough--Digg decides to concede the point to their user base and people still aren't satisfied. The DMCA is a ridiculously bad law, but it's still a law. How many other top 25 web sites would be willing to risk losing their shirts over this issue? How many diggers would be willing to risk the same when faced with a threatening letter from a law office?
Take all the effort put into spamming Digg and put it where it actually makes a difference. Organize letter writing campaigns to your congressmen asking them to repeal the DMCA. Publicize boycotts of HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and the RIAA. Make a donation to the EFF. Let's show the world what Digg is capable of. - plague, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Everyone keeps talking about Digg and Kevin making "mistakes." No one made any kind of mistake, he got a letter threatening legal action and complied. Every single one of you would do the same. The difference is that you're just a practically anonymous username on a website so you can act like a whiny little baby and spam the site with a bunch of garbage because you don't agree with the law.
Then everyone bitches about their "rights" to post whatever they want. I have news for you, this isn't your website and you don't have that "right". When you signed up you agreed to a TOS that said anything you post can be removed for whatever reason or no reason at all. You all agreed to be here on their terms and now you think you're somehow exempt?
I personally wish that every single user that acted like an immature little child would have left. Good riddance, the site would have been much better without you. A lot smaller, yes, but much better. - WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Finally a reasoned voice. I am hoping there are more people out there that see how rediculous they (outraged users) are being.
This doesn't mean ***** all to you guys, you are anonymous words on a screen but the Digg crew is facing the possibility of seriously having their lives ruined. I don't know how many of you have ever faced off a large face-less corporation, but the outcome usually isn't pretty. Even if they don't have a case they can destroy this site without terribly affecting their bottom line.
Maybe if you have a problem with this DRM ***** you should get off your lazy assess and do something about it and not try to push someone else into the fight. Start a blog and post that number all over it. Make sure you use your real name on it and give the lawyers some contact information. - crispee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Please repeat after me: A NUMBER CANNOT BE ILLEGAL.
End of story. - robusteza, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21wait...an hour ago you were a frantic mob doing everything in your power to effectively ***** things up while calling him out repeatedly and basically called him a sell-out fascist blahblah and now you're chastising him like you're his mum while slapping your old buddy "Kev" on the back?
***** you whining pussies. You are not OWED anything by Kevin or Alex or anyone. If you don't like what they're serving, order something else.
Serious word of advice to the dorks who took pics while holding up graphing calculators displaying the code (and your retarded blogs that you hosted them on in a cheap ploy to be somehow relevant): I have a vagina and I would like to confirm that you will never, ever see one without a financial transaction being involved. - moses48, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I agree that they needed to cover themselves. But the lawsuits were frivolous. Just like many of the DRM related lawsuits. Owning rights to a number? come on... Trade secret? It's been public domain since February.
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Digg’s Terms of Use, and the terms of use of most popular sites, are required by law to include policies against the infringement of intellectual property.
This was his comment after the cease and desist. And well, I understand where he's coming from, but DRM issues are touchy subject for many of us. Seeing people hunted down by collection agencies for things they never did is an outrage that happens all too often. As this sites content is all user driven that put them in a sticky situation. Glad you realized we pay your checks, sorry we had to be so loud and obnoxious.
Best wishes, Moses - seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16and i thought the site was down for maintenance ...
how am I here then ... - davidrools, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10i hate the MPAA and not necessarily legal strongarm tactics just as much as anyone else, but i don't want digg to die. It would be nice if the digg staff had the resources to evaluate whether or not the cease and desist order was lawful and that any copyright had been violated (which, in the case of the "code" that was never really published, it would be a tricky issue)..and then act accordingly.
but its usually easier to just cave to a lawsuit happy group like the MPAA. I'm glad they're not doing that anymore. i'm hoping for the best. i'm also hoping that the digg community would return the support to digg if the time comes that digg needs OUR help. - WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13How about the freedom of someone to run a business or a website as they see fit without harrassment from some mob of children...
- Books, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17For ***** sake, can we please stop posting these annoying ***** HD key stories with lame as writing in ***** n00b teh talk like th1s. It's driving me ***** crazy!
- sctechguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I think that in the long run, Kevin made the right call on both fronts. I think that he was right in trying to protect "his baby", and ensuring that it would still remain for all of us in the coming days, weeks, months, and years. Think about it this way: what is the first knee-jerk reaction you would have, if something that you really cared about was threatened?
I also think that he's correct in letting this play out, and waiting for everyone to get tired of it, and let the community decide what does, and does not need to be dugg up/down. To use the above analogy: Sure, your first knee-jerk reaction is to protect, but sometimes, you've gotta let what/who you love, figure it out on their own.
Personally, I'm sick and tired of every story on the front page, and all the upcoming stories being about this stupid key. Sure, some of the entries for "hiding" the number were pretty creative, but now it's just old, and tapped out.
Please, Diggers, bring Digg back to the way it's supposed to be. - WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@yanked
We aren't talking about freedom of speech. This isn't uncovering corruption in government or illegal activities of another company. This is taking on a legal giant over a number people use to get entertainment without paying for it. ENTERTAINMENT.
It's not a battle worth fighting. When they start deleting posts for their political comments or comments about their sponsers then I will be upset. AFAIK, they didn't delete posts that were anti-HD-DVD decryption; they deleted posts that (arguably) contained intellectual property. I say better safe than sorry.
The tyranny of the community is no better than the tyranny of a king. - markab, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9
After seeing what happened today on dig, this quote came to mind:
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
- Mark Twain - doople, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16That's the real Kevin!
- Yenly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Best day on digg. Ever.
Viva la digg! - taskrok, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I think we all have this sequence memorized by now anyway
- Beacon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Thanks, Kevin. I think I speak for a lot of users (not necessarily all, but probably a lot) when I say that Digg has represented the essence of free speech for the past couple years, by users for users. This isn't a matter of posting a number, it's a matter of free speech on the Internet. We would rather see Digg die defending free speech than see it turn on us.
You have our full support in your course of action. - Mr.Glass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13OK, i hope this makes the front page, or digg really has gone to crap.
Props Kevin, your standing up against those who few have been able to defeat. Good luck! - Shizlak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11also, Digg is lucky Reddit is so goddamn ugly.
- dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Awesome... now guys stop flooding Digg with the code. No need to rub it in.
- pintong, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Sigh.
I think you misunderstand, Kevin. We're not doing this because we want to see Digg "go down fighting." We're doing this because a number can't be patented and we don't believe posessing it is illegal.
Even if it was deemed illegal, you could always point out that it was the users who posted the articles, not Digg itself (the P2P loophole). That is, until you made this blog post with the code in the title! -
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