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blog.digg.com — Digg won't go down without a fight. Thanks Kev for changing your mind and amplifying the voices of many! Let freedom ring, or at least go out with a bang!

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  • hooksie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+465The users have gotten their point across. Now lets all go back to the Digg we know and love.
    • saurdo, on 10/12/2007, -117/+43The users are overdramatic annoying babies.
    • PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -82/+10Hey, I was t3h first!
      http://digg.com/tech_news/Kevin_s_Response_to_Today_s_Frenzy_Hint_Cheer/


      OK, OK, now I have to go, er, not do that again for a few months :D.

      EDIT: So, I suppose, here's the comment I posted there. It's as worthwhile here:
      =======================
      Guys, just know that I appreciate your efforts to keep Digg legal, but love you more for not making the industry's mistake in fighting the users. Digg on? Hell yeah.
    • taskrok, on 10/12/2007, -12/+156besides, we all have the sequence memorized now anyway.
    • tuka, on 10/12/2007, -8/+64Sometimes doing the right thing is scary, take those steel balls and choke the DRM pushers of the world
    • 1ncontrol, on 10/12/2007, -58/+13Nothing has changed, except that Kevin has bowed to external pressure for the second time in one day.

      All Digg really cares about is money, not the users. And the extra publicity from this means money. See this:
      http://digg.com/tech_news/How_Digg_is_profiting_from_the_mayhem

      Lets see how fast this gets censored.
    • Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40It's not like there was any other choice, it was either face the dubious legal accusations (intellectual property, wtf?) or have their site basically turned into a piece of crap, and lose users.
    • rycars, on 10/12/2007, -28/+15Digg positions, enquire within:

      Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs@digg.com

      NB: must be able to work 20hours a day
    • RobertS44, on 10/12/2007, -25/+71Can we get back to real content now kids? kthx
    • AjaxDiggz, on 10/12/2007, -27/+11I was just going to terminate my membership when I checked the Digg blog and saw Kevin's new answer. Good job on recognizing that your core membership is more important than some abusive and possibly illegal DMCA takedown notice. And just remember this day, if you're ever tempted to do it again, you or any of the admins. Back to the digging.
    • rycars, on 10/12/2007, -31/+17Digg positions, enquire within:

      Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs@digg.com

      NB: must be able to work 20h per day
    • AjaxDiggz, on 10/12/2007, -27/+8I was just going to terminate my membership when I checked the Digg blog and saw Kevin's new answer. Good job on recognizing that your core membership is more important than some abusive and possibly illegal DMCA takedown notice. And just remember this day, if you're ever tempted to do it again, you or any of the admins. Back to the digging.
    • ConfusedONE, on 10/12/2007, -42/+135I agree, let's go back to normal business. However, all the other people who still are doing this still will do it because let's face it, they want something to rebel against and be childish about. The fanboys just are emulating what the one before them did. The stories are still streaming in and people don't even know this story exists. They all think they won, but in reality - they just made digg lose a lot of credibility.

      You heard me, it wasn't Kevin or Jay's fault that digg lost credibility, it was when all of you rabid fanboys decided to spam with nonsense. Utilizing tragedies and lies (shootings, cures for cancer, whatever) to further your agenda - sounds like a certain bad president.

      digg me down if you wish - you know its true.
    • joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -16/+7translate: "Please don't go, you can do what you want."

      Seriously though.... it's over now. Calm is restored.
    • mygans, on 10/12/2007, -8/+81i wud still love to see that 16000 digg story unhidden or somethin....and the users gets their accounts back.....hmm.....most exciting day in internet for me......ever!!
    • go1dfish, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12"But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be."

      What happens the next time another organization waves their sword without real authority?
      What about the next innocuous collection of bytes that doesn't sit well with digg or it's sponsors?


      On another note, why not turn this force to something a bit more meaningful. Here are some other interesting numbers we can spread around for the greater good: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    • jkruleall, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7To get beyond the cries to be normal, this response as a community was truly impressed and it shows that if we band together and unit in our response than the requests of the majority will be submitted to.
    • dachicken, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7Did anyone else notice he did not say anything about censorship about future articles?

      "[E]ffective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be."

      So pretty much after its been kept on every other website and the possibility of the key entering public domain is increased, and inversely the possibility of a law suit decreases, he decided to keep the stories and at the same time attempts to sound noble about it.
      "[We] will deal with whatever the consequences might be."
      Trying to do something brave when the possibility of bad ramifications is noble, doing it after you know there will be no consequence isn't.

      I'll reserve my judgment until the next DCMA related S and D order comes in and see how digg responses.
    • foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5i can never go back to the digg i *used* to know and love--it doesnt exist anymore. i mean, the introduction of the whole comment burying system, along with the addition of those *other* topics, was bad enough. then, losing digg's top users, like albertpacino and the rest... and now: CENSORSHIP! idts!!

      i will always respect digg for what it used to be, and what it started; but i can never respect digg for what it currently is. although, i have to say, at least digg owned up to its mistake--and in such a way that they at least looked like they came out on top.
    • shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -10/+63i love digg now more than ever, because they're standing up for our rights....
    • zaffdigg, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5I have a Master's in Human & Organizational Development, this type of response to a mutiny has a name; it is known as the "spineless corporate bulls**t maneuver" whereby a figurehead (krose) makes some patently vanilla statement that appears to acquiesce to the masses yet does not upset the sponsors, and it is always crap.

      Digg failed to prove that it is the binary manifestation of that apple cheeked young hacker we all came to know and love on TechTV. Ironically, the very thing that made him popular - corporate media - is what has caused his kingdom to shake. So, now what?

      The best thing to do is to fire Jay Addelson and move in a new chief, one who can take a stand on tough tech topics that appeal to the base. The new chief would need to define exactly what Digg is and stick to it's guns despite corporate saber rattling. Kevin, it's your community what are you going to do to keep it?

    • jcbullock, on 10/12/2007, -29/+32The idiots have won and lunacy reigns supreme,
      Brilliant, really brilliant. I know this is going to get dugg down. Who cares? Digg users certainly don't care about Digg and Kevin went right along with them. Heaven forbid a company follow the laws!! It doesn't matter if you LIKE the laws or not, a company has to follow them to stay in business.

      Say so long to digg, because if, as Kevin says, they are going to go down fighting, they are certainly going to go down.

      Man, and I really liked digg.
    • tamrix, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11yay we have our digg back
    • AWBoy666, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31http://images.art.com/images/-/Mel-Gibson---Braveheart--C10101922.jpeg

      Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooooooooooom!!!!
    • zaffdigg, on 10/12/2007, -16/+9I have a Master's in Human & Organizational Development, this type of response to a mutiny has a name; it is known as the "spineless corporate bulls**t maneuver" whereby a figurehead (krose) makes some patently vanilla statement that appears to acquiesce to the masses yet does not upset the sponsors, and it is always crap.

      Digg failed to prove that it is the binary manifestation of that apple cheeked young hacker we all came to know and love on TechTV. Ironically, the very thing that made him popular - corporate media - is what has caused his kingdom to shake. So, now what?

      The best thing to do is to fire Jay Addelson and move in a new chief, one who can take a stand on tough tech topics that appeal to the base. The new chief would need to define exactly what Digg is and stick to it's guns despite corporate saber rattling. Kevin, it's your community what are you going to do to keep it?
    • dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Thank you Kevin! You've listened to the masses. We can make a difference.

      "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive"
      "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
      --Both Quotes: Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence and our Third President.

      I think we, as a community, collectively stood up and Jefferson would be proud.
      If Jefferson we're alive today,
      he might join us proudly to say:
      "***** the **AA"
    • moses48, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I agree that they needed to cover themselves. But the lawsuits were frivolous. Just like many of the DRM related lawsuits. Owning rights to a number? come on... Trade secret? It's been public domain since February.
      Quote:
      Digg’s Terms of Use, and the terms of use of most popular sites, are required by law to include policies against the infringement of intellectual property.

      This was his comment after the cease and desist. And well, I understand where he's coming from, but DRM issues are touchy subject for many of us. Seeing people hunted down by collection agencies for things they never did is an outrage that happens all too often. As this sites content is all user driven that put them in a sticky situation. Glad you realized we pay your checks, sorry we had to be so loud and obnoxious.

      Best wishes, Moses
    • KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13it's what jesus would have wanted
    • shaolinpunks, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5"The users have gotten their point across. Now lets all go back to the Digg we know and love."

      the Digg we know and love is gone!
      I remeber in the first diggnation video where they said that they would never NEVER bow down to advertisers!!!
    • aguilr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@ConfusedONE

      Sometimes things like this have to happen in order to be heard. Do you think Kevin would have come to his realization without the people's massive rebuttal? Digg will go back to "normal"; give it some time. But, who knows, it may never be the same.
    • EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This is the first time I've seen Digg mentioned on the Drudge Report.
    • Zarubi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Thank you, Kevin. I think you did what's right, in the spirit of what makes Digg great.

      Now let's get things back to normal.
    • Domza, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Im a huge support of Kevin et al, but *****. what a douche thing to do. Digg is as much the peoples as Digg is Digg Inc.'s.

      Vox Populi, Vox Deo.

      The voice of the people is the voice of God.
    • weeeezzll, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Ok, can we bury all of the other crap now, and go back to Digging?
    • nimatejic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Long live the digg, don't give up without a fight!
    • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"The users have gotten their point across. Now lets all go back to the Digg we know and love."

      Yay! We've achieved something!
    • adderx99, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38kevin, all i can say is, the next episode of diggnation better be "brought to you by 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0."
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13I was just typing randomly on my keyboard when I came across this: 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
    • uidzero, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@jcbullock

      *sigh* I agree. Was obeying the law really that big of a deal? I'd rather Digg and kevin kept their nose clean and ensured the long life of Digg. I really think people are being selfish and they'd rather have Digg fail and be shut down just to "let freedom ring". Let the sites we don't like fight this battle and risk getting shut down. Why risk losing digg over something as trivial as this?
    • diggumjonez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I see a lot of posts saying this isn't a battle worth fighting. That's wrong. It is perhaps, not a battle worth fighting on Digg alone, but it's worth making a pretty big ripple in the internet pond over. Those of us who have been using the net a long time, early 90's and before, have watched it change in a lot of good ways, but it is changing for the worse as corporations who have had absolutely nothing to do with it try to claim ownership and control. THIS is what we need to be standing up for, and the HD-DVD key (which is 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0 28 for those just joining the party) is as good a spark for the revolution as Rosa Parks sittin' on a bus.

      It's time to give a big ***** YOU to corporations who use money and lawyers to subvert and twist the law, screwing everyone they consider "customers" over, most without even realizing it, and putting smart, intelligent, altruistic folks into pretty dangerous situations for their own short-sightedness and failures. It starts with a stupid series of numbers. Maybe it moves on to Mickey Mouse, whose time has long since come to enter the public domain. They can issue one takedown notice. Can they keep up with an internet-wide onslaught of thousands or millions of Mickey Mouse violations? If they can't, does Mickey then enter the public domain due to lack of trademark enforcement? It'd be interesting to find out...
    • samnetwork, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yay I got my digg account back! Lets hug.
    • davester, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I applaud Kevin Rose and Digg for this move - its all about the users. At the same time, I'm sad that Digg users do not respect the law and willing to sacrifice a great site to get their point across.

      Oh well.
    • lodanis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0So if digg has to pay out huge sums of money and gets shut down in the process then your revolution will be complete. That definately sounds like we win...yea...we lose what we want and the code is gone anyway VICTORY FOR ZIM! Idiots.
    • AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10Dear Kevin, Jay, and Alex,

      I am sickened at the deplorable turn of events regarding this HD-DVD code. That Digg fans would rather see the site go down than for you to comply with a cease and desist declaration is unconscionable. Kevin and Jay, you created Digg, and Kevin and Alex, through Diggnation you've helped build it up to what it is today. Your hard work and sacrifices should not go down the drain just because so-called fans, with nothing to lose, would rather see you throw away everything you've made in the name of not censoring them. The fact is that you guys are NOT doing the censoring. The law is. These "fans" are fighting the wrong people, and I am in a quandary. On the one hand, I do not want to call myself a fan as that may align myself with the views of the masses who would rather see the site go down, but on the other hand, I love Digg and Diggnation and feel that through here I am starting to find a niche.

      Whether you change your minds and continue to take down that number, thereby complying with the declaration, or continue to allow the number, I'll support you guys. In the end, it's your decision, your site, your work. Do what you believe to be right, regardless of what these "fans" are screaming. And if you end up in court defending your decision, you can bet I'll be there with my Diggnation shirt (sorry, I don't have just a Digg one) on rallying behind you - San Francisco is local. I respect your work and I respect what you've created. Don't go down without a fight. You have real fans on your side who will fight with you.

      Hugs,
      Aria Austin
    • timtastic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Dear Kevin,

      You should know better than anyone: the masses are not always right.

      Digg is a site that links to content. Digg is not a content provider. If you want to want to take a stance, tell the AACS you can't stop your users from linking to the code, but you can prevent them from publishing the code on your site.

      The code is out there. It doesn't need Digg's help to spread to the people who want to use it. There's a big difference between linking to pirated content and providing pirated content. The Pirate Bay, among others, already handles the latter; if you want to survive, I would suggest you focus on the former.
    • mybeNi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0haha great story

      sorry but I had to try that:
      http://mybeni.rootzilla.de/mybeNi/
    • livoni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@diggumjonez
      are you honestly conflating the fight to strip DRM with the fight for civil rights?! I appreciate the passion that you bring to this debate and I don't deny that corporations need to be checked, but to compare the civil rights era to the fight over DRM is using hyperbole in a demeaning way.

      I think your fight is justified, but keep in mind that there are greater social ills in the world right now than the fact that you can't rip HD-DVDs.
    • neodem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1nice!
    • AsmodeusMictian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I would just like to tell you thanks from all of us here in my family. It's heartening to see that someone up in the corporate world still has some fortitude. You've gained about 10 users from this incident from my family. Personally, I'd heard of your site mentioned, but never been here until now.

      Thank you again!
    • mrkjessup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0hear is another code...cant tell you what its for ( from sony) 3. 1m 8* &6 89 65 h7 h7 n3 m3 z3 7b v5 f4 5v
  • h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -39/+10must be ***** hard to watch the value of the site diminish from the millions - and wonder if it will head back to 0.

    Nice try, too little too late. At this point, it's nerves about his baby going down the toilet, not concerns about the userbase.

    Thank him for self preservation... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
    • rk_cr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+62Too little? Kevin gave Digg users exactly what they wanted, and more. It's not limited to simply allowing the posting of the code - he's also shown the user base that Digg is and will remain a relatively democratic system.

      Too late? The deleted post was from two days ago. The explosion in reaction only started a few hours ago! Do you think Kevin should have responded in a few minutes or something?
    • h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8no i think he never should have censored to begin with. Too little yes - because it's about HIM now, so he cares.
    • rk_cr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37We all make mistakes. I'm glad Kevin is good enough to admit them and fix his past.

      Besides, if this has really killed your whole Digg experience, why are you still here posting? Shouldn't you leave now?
    • rycars, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28Digg positions, enquire within:

      Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs (at) digg.com

      NB: must be able to work 20h per day
    • plague, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Everyone keeps talking about Digg and Kevin making "mistakes." No one made any kind of mistake, he got a letter threatening legal action and complied. Every single one of you would do the same. The difference is that you're just a practically anonymous username on a website so you can act like a whiny little baby and spam the site with a bunch of garbage because you don't agree with the law.

      Then everyone bitches about their "rights" to post whatever they want. I have news for you, this isn't your website and you don't have that "right". When you signed up you agreed to a TOS that said anything you post can be removed for whatever reason or no reason at all. You all agreed to be here on their terms and now you think you're somehow exempt?

      I personally wish that every single user that acted like an immature little child would have left. Good riddance, the site would have been much better without you. A lot smaller, yes, but much better.
    • DooM, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3It WAS a mistake - it's not about constitutionality or 'rights' or even the stupid code that I'll never use in my life. It's about integrity. If I wanted to go to a ***** corporate site for my news, I would - Digg stands for something else and so does Kevin. So it was a BIG mistake and a lapse of judgment that damaged their credibility and integrity.

      And, no - I wouldn't have done it the same way. They really could have taken it down AND handled it in a productive way at the same time. The mistake wasn't taking it down, it was behaving in a heavy-handed big-corporate way by deleting posts, banning users and shutting things down -- basically engaging in a battle against the users -- instead of handling it in a community-focused way.

      Plus, Jay's letter last night really demonstrated to me that he has no idea what this community is about. I'm really happy about Kevin's letter because my greatest fear was to hear Jay's letter recited back through Kevin's lips on Diggnation this week.
  • bodyvisual, on 10/12/2007, -19/+8YES! Kevin Rose officially kicks ***** ass.
  • taskrok, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I think we all have this sequence memorized by now anyway
  • seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16and i thought the site was down for maintenance ...

    how am I here then ...
  • LawST, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3pls dun die digg
  • holyyawp, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4it's the end of the world as we know it, and i feel fine
  • Boghiu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40I heart Kevin
  • jimhake, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Courageous! Now let's see what happens.
  • rocketengineer, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45I'm not sure this is something digg should go down for. They helped bring the world together by giving us the power to share news freely. I applaud Kevin for standing by his personal morals, but this site isn't some hobby. We are talking the livelihood of 20-30 people. They have to cover their legal butts, and I feel they did the right thing by taking the stories down. Its illegal for the time being, and thats that, end of story, period. Instead of spamming digg with stories protesting here, protest in a letter to your congressman about how all this DRM crap is just pointless. Kevin, if you ever read this, just know there are at least some of us that understand how the real world works, and no matter what, we will support you and digg in any manner we can. If you block everything related to HD-DVD, I wouldn't mind if that means that I can get access to the other thousands of stories I like to read on a daily basis. The world isn't perfect and never will be. Good luck digg, no matter what the outcome is. I am writing my congressman once again tonight on diggs behalf to show my unrest to the right people.
    • davidrools, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10i hate the MPAA and not necessarily legal strongarm tactics just as much as anyone else, but i don't want digg to die. It would be nice if the digg staff had the resources to evaluate whether or not the cease and desist order was lawful and that any copyright had been violated (which, in the case of the "code" that was never really published, it would be a tricky issue)..and then act accordingly.

      but its usually easier to just cave to a lawsuit happy group like the MPAA. I'm glad they're not doing that anymore. i'm hoping for the best. i'm also hoping that the digg community would return the support to digg if the time comes that digg needs OUR help.
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Finally a reasoned voice. I am hoping there are more people out there that see how rediculous they (outraged users) are being.

      This doesn't mean ***** all to you guys, you are anonymous words on a screen but the Digg crew is facing the possibility of seriously having their lives ruined. I don't know how many of you have ever faced off a large face-less corporation, but the outcome usually isn't pretty. Even if they don't have a case they can destroy this site without terribly affecting their bottom line.

      Maybe if you have a problem with this DRM ***** you should get off your lazy assess and do something about it and not try to push someone else into the fight. Start a blog and post that number all over it. Make sure you use your real name on it and give the lawyers some contact information.
    • yanked, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Real news organizations take stands against corporate and governmental take-down requests every day. You have full-time lawyers on staff, and this is their job. If Digg want to move into the big leagues and become a real news media outlet, it's going to have to arm itself for continual low-level legal skirmishing. It's like patent-protection if you're a big corporation -- just something you have to do in the modern world.
    • crispee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Please repeat after me: A NUMBER CANNOT BE ILLEGAL.

      End of story.
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@yanked
      We aren't talking about freedom of speech. This isn't uncovering corruption in government or illegal activities of another company. This is taking on a legal giant over a number people use to get entertainment without paying for it. ENTERTAINMENT.

      It's not a battle worth fighting. When they start deleting posts for their political comments or comments about their sponsers then I will be upset. AFAIK, they didn't delete posts that were anti-HD-DVD decryption; they deleted posts that (arguably) contained intellectual property. I say better safe than sorry.

      The tyranny of the community is no better than the tyranny of a king.
    • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Glad I wasn't the only one sitting back, thinking to myself "what a bunch of morons."

      I buried every code story I could see just because I, too, understand that sometimes it doesn't matter what your personal preferences are, there are laws involved and if you want to break it behind your almighty "anonymous" online identity, fine, but don't drag digg into it and then SPAM digg into oblivion for trying to distance itself from your *****.

      Kevin and co, you did the right thing to begin with. And frankly, I would have banned users, temporarily restricted sign ups and tried to restore order. Risking the livelihood of digg because of these idiots isn't worth it, but hey, it's your call and I'll stand by it. If digg goes down, I'll be around for whatever you guys do to replace it.

      But let's hope it doesn't go down. Long live digg, down with stupidity.
    • brianasu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm glad people feel the way you do. Did provides us with an excellent service with no charge to us. Then when one story of someone posting a (illegal)hex code for hddvd is banned everyone turns crazy. It's as if digg was the one who imposed drm. It's like lets forget all the great service they provided us and crash the damn site and say idiotic things such as digg is dead. If I post someone's credit card number and it gets taken down is that censorship?
    • roundy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@rocketengineer

      Thank you for posting that. Saves me the trouble of having to type it myself. I was really getting fed up with the code stories and all the whiny people who kept digging and commenting on them. At first it was fun, like, "Hey, let's digg a story about the code being cracked and released". Then it just became ridiculous. I love digg and I would hate to see it go down because of something stupid like this. As Kevin has said many times, digg is not profitable yet, they are just living off venture capital. So I doubt they have the means to mount an effective legal defense should it come to that. And that's what it could come to if the AACS guys decide to get hardball about it.

      @crispee
      I would argue that some numbers may be illegal to disseminate whether or not they are copyrighted/trademarked/whatever. Suppose I post some lat/long coordinates and then say it's the location of some U.S. troops in Iraq. I think that number would get blocked pretty quick. And I don't think digg would like receiving cease and desist orders from the Pentagon.

      In general, this is to all those "information wants to be free" people, have you noticed that people who want information to be free never mean their own information? I would like to see anyone of those people who claim information wants to be free post their:

      1) Name
      2) SSN
      3) Birthdate
      4) Address
      5) Driver's License/State ID # (if you have one)
      6) Phone Number

      After all, they are just numbers and all information wants to be free

      The AACS has a right to do whatever they want with their IP. If they choose to DRM it to death, that's their choice. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I don't like DRM, it's inconvenient and annoying, but it's what you have to put up with if you want to be entertained by the "information" that the AACS group puts out.

      One thing I found funny. All those stories about the number and all those people saying this is the day Digg died. But did you see how many diggs those stories got? Doesn't that mean that all those diggers were still coming to the site? And thus keeping it alive? It's strange how they are posting on Digg about how they think Digg died and all those diggers are reading and digging. Then is digg really dead? Obviously it still had a bunch of readers. Why didn't all those people just go away? Just a thought.
  • webcrunch, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30I think the Digg crew didn’t handle this wery well at first.

    They should probably have posted an entry in their blog prior to the deletion of the story, perhaps even showing a copy of the letter from the MPAA, and redirecting the anger towards who really deservers it, instead of deleting the story and reacting afterwards.

    In a way, I’m surprised they didn’t see it coming. It would have been soooo easy to turn the gun around, and yet, they pointed it right at their throat. It’s not like this is the first C&D letter a UGC site gets, for goddsake…
  • doople, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16That's the real Kevin!
  • Bigcheesegs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Now digg can go back to being useful :).
  • tuka, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Sometimes doing the right thing is scary, take those steel balls and choke the DRM pushers of the world.
    • haemonculasx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Amen brotha!
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12The right thing? OMG, I cannot believe people get this self-righteous about their entertainment. Maybe if you ***** had raised as much a stink when our country was dragged into this war we wouldn't have 3000+ dead soldiers and countless dead Iraqis.

    • egotripping, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Oh yes, because the war is sooooo relevant to this.
    • BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"""The right thing? OMG, I cannot believe people get this self-righteous about their entertainment. Maybe if you ***** had raised as much a stink when our country was dragged into this war we wouldn't have 3000+ dead soldiers and countless dead Iraqis."""

      If you think that, but don't like signs that people might be starting to belligerently express their demand for the right thing to be done (however small), then I can't work you out.

      At the moment, society is sleepwalking because it doesn't act against things. Don't discourage this sort of thing, encourage it.
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@blackadder

      You are kidding right? This whole thing will disappear in a few days and nothing will have changed. This isn't any kind of victory, it's part temper tantrum and part lemmings.
  • glittalogik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58Right on. If this goes to court, I'll pledge $10 towards your legal costs. Play this right, and you'll have an army at your side.
    • shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72Digg Defense Fund, anyone? I'm for it if it comes down to that.
    • mygans, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10hell yeah.....if it comes down to this my $ is in.......but hey....cudve done this a bit earlier...like.... say....10 hrs back.....duh
    • doople, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Yeah, if they've got the balls to actually stand up to this crap, they've got a million-man army to back them up.

      edit: million-person army. Word on the street is, chicks digg too.

      Viva la resistance.
      09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
    • sepharious, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8amen brothers and sisters, VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

      put your money where your posts are and digg will have more than enough moola to take these bastards on. now we just need to clone Johnny Cochrane...

      "IF THE CODE DOES NOT FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT!"
    • Fortyseven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2That's a fantastic idea. If we had the motivation to do what we did yesterday, that's the *least* we can do. :)
    • amigiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Me too Kevin, don't give up without asking for our help.

      You have (admittedly you [digg] were slightly pushed) made a stand which might be the turning point against this unfair practice.
  • 8hifty, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1Kevin Rose is a PIMP!
    oh and btw...posh spice looks like she can gobble a dick
  • sschepis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Hey, it takes balls to admit you've made a mistake and to hold on to your integrity. Thumbs up to you, Kevin Rose.
    • PixelVision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Did he give the deleted accounts back?
  • Cmonkey67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Get this ***** thing to the front page...STAT!
  • thejackel161, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Thanks Kevin,
    I hope you understand why we did it.
    • pintong, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Sigh.

      I think you misunderstand, Kevin. We're not doing this because we want to see Digg "go down fighting." We're doing this because a number can't be patented and we don't believe posessing it is illegal.

      Even if it was deemed illegal, you could always point out that it was the users who posted the articles, not Digg itself (the P2P loophole). That is, until you made this blog post with the code in the title!
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It's not about illegality. Illegal or not a lengthy court battle can destroy not only the company but quite possible screw Kevin for quite some time.
  • analog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4***** yes
  • Mr.Glass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13OK, i hope this makes the front page, or digg really has gone to crap.

    Props Kevin, your standing up against those who few have been able to defeat. Good luck!
  • DariusMonsef, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6The Digg Revolutions - Starring Kevin Rose as Neo.
    http://flickr.com/photos/dariusmonsef/480928443/
  • vocalyouth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Fight the Power, Kevin and company. There was no real way you couldn't at this point, though.
  • merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -15/+40This was officially the most exciting day on the internet ever.

    One more time... ?

    Why not...

    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
    • mygans, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2yaryaryarrrrr.....code seems all funny now.....
  • CMaff24, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53I can't wait to rip the HD-DVD of the documentary they make about this day.
  • fireflymantis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Thank you Kevin.
  • guttertrash, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8yah survival move definitely. ill dig it anywho.
  • DarkReign16, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2If they sue you, they have to sue thousands and thousands of other digg users who posted it, as well as hundreds of news sites who posted it. I'd say that you don't have much to worry about Kevin. Peace! Rock on !
  • brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44I can't help but think we hurt Kevin's feelings. Now I feel bad. If Digg is taken to court for this, I think every single Digg member ought to pitch in for the legal costs. We made our stand clear, and Digg listened to us. Now, it's time to put our money were our mouths are.
    • JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Money? We'll take our bronze shields...
  • Beacon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Thanks, Kevin. I think I speak for a lot of users (not necessarily all, but probably a lot) when I say that Digg has represented the essence of free speech for the past couple years, by users for users. This isn't a matter of posting a number, it's a matter of free speech on the Internet. We would rather see Digg die defending free speech than see it turn on us.

    You have our full support in your course of action.
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13How about the freedom of someone to run a business or a website as they see fit without harrassment from some mob of children...
    • aguilr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@wileepeyote

      The "children" are the reason his pockets are lined with cash. This site is a business, not your blog; the children are the reason it makes money. If he wants his cash cow, it's best if he gives his customers what they want.
    • stinkfart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Digg has not been a safe haven of free speech. Read Kevin's blog entry that kicked off this whole debate. The Digg staff regularly removes user-submitted content that violates their TOS.

      The staff shouldn't be removing any content. They should be treating it with benign neglect.
    • WileEPeyote, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2And if you don't like a businesses practices, your best course of action is to stop using them, not act like a child and try to trash their site.
  • mygans, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code"

    okie....thanks.
  • stickynips, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10What I want to know...

    What about all the users that got banned because of it?
  • itjamesd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2way to go digg, about time we fight the man or whoever is creating this ***** FIGHT THE POWER !!!

    ............................................................................
    09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
  • mgoodson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3power to the internets!!
  • sctechguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I think that in the long run, Kevin made the right call on both fronts. I think that he was right in trying to protect "his baby", and ensuring that it would still remain for all of us in the coming days, weeks, months, and years. Think about it this way: what is the first knee-jerk reaction you would have, if something that you really cared about was threatened?

    I also think that he's correct in letting this play out, and waiting for everyone to get tired of it, and let the community decide what does, and does not need to be dugg up/down. To use the above analogy: Sure, your first knee-jerk reaction is to protect, but sometimes, you've gotta let what/who you love, figure it out on their own.

    Personally, I'm sick and tired of every story on the front page, and all the upcoming stories being about this stupid key. Sure, some of the entries for "hiding" the number were pretty creative, but now it's just old, and tapped out.

    Please, Diggers, bring Digg back to the way it's supposed to be.
  • d03boy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Now everyone send Kevin some pirated HD-DVDs so he really understands.
  • puppeto, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Kevin, Thank you.

    You have singlehandedly regained the respect of myself and the entire digg community. There for a while things were looking pretty bad and I almost lost faith. It almost looked as if you were about to turn everyone into a digg hater. I respect that you actually did listen to the users and not to who is lining your pockets.

    Long live digg, long live Kevin, and long live free speech!
  • d03boy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Now let's all send Kevin some pirated HD-DVDs so that he will never forget.
  • noisymime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21So are all those accounts unsuspended now?
  • redhook, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Good to see you have some balls Kevin.
    • shaolinpunks, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1if he had balls the stories would still be up and none of this would have happened!!!!!!!!!
  • Books, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17For ***** sake, can we please stop posting these annoying ***** HD key stories with lame as writing in ***** n00b teh talk like th1s. It's driving me ***** crazy!
  • robusteza, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5You little whining pussies didn't deserve it but I respect Kevin even more now.
  • Neo386, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19People need to calm down about this. Kevin and all the digg staff are nerds just like us, im sure they love the fact that HDDVD has been hacked (even if they cant say it publicly). You have to realize that they got threatened big time and had to make a quick decision. Whether it was the "right" or "wrong" decision depends on who you ask, but now that they have had a little time to think about it and fully grasp the situation they are taking the side of the community, and for that I am proud to be a digger.
  • merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7"I probably should have stayed on G4." -Kevin Rose
  • thepotter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0I have to say thank you. I want to see this article hit the top of the ranks.

    Then we can go on about our day and see some of the other stories hit the front page as well.

    This has been a good day. I can only imagine whats to follow ::
  • lewzer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Very classy move, Mr. Rose
    I salute you.
  • rycars, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Digg positions, enquire within:

    Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs (at) digg.com

    NB: must be able to work 20h per day
    • j0ker666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2rycars stop being a loser and posting the same comment over and over

      however it is weird on a couple of the comments you have been dug down but on the last one you got dugg up quite a few times......
  • shadydentist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Yay freedom. Boo DMCA.

    That is all.
  • Snoochy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I thought posting the numbers himself was rather ballsy as well. Random internet people posting the numbers ad nauseam is one thing, but I know I wouldn't have made my beloved Ytmnd if I had the chance of getting sued for it.

    I think you guys would have a pretty good case in court anyway. If someone writes graffiti on a wall you don't punish the owner of the wall.

    Your boyish good looks have saved you yet again Rose.
  • AngelicRaver, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0This is history.
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