What is Digg?1916 Comments
- aflury, on 11/15/2007, -106/+3367Well said. Can we move on now?
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -115/+1560It is now safe to praise Kevin Rose again.
- MrStabby, on 11/12/2007, -125/+1139Man, I hope so...
I truly cannot believe how many people decided they were going to stand up (while sitting down mind you) for a cause that 50% of them were not going to actively participate in anyway. If "protesting" or "sticking it to the man" as they call it, is in fact possible by simply clicking your mouse a few hundred times then I for one welcome our new carpal-tunnel ridden overlords.
IF we're all done acting like 5 year olds, I'm sure someone's got a great picture of a cute kitten in a computer to submit.
That's REAL Digg frontpage news... :) - rycars, on 11/15/2007, -33/+753Digg positions, enquire within:
Our small team of lawyers are currently experiencing rapid growth! If you want to be apart of a dynamic team send your resume to jobs (at) digg.com
NB: must be able to work 20h per day - kevinrose, on 11/05/2007, -63/+64209-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
here we go... - Powder, on 11/05/2007, -91/+538To the digg comunity, chill out
You cannot expect digg.com as a company to not respond in some way to a cease and desist notice form a company that is sue happy. But it is wrong for Digg to take down stories in any situation and still call itself democratic. Take a step back and look at the situation. We have shown the digg crew what we would rather them do, and they appear to be moving in that direction “But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be. If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.“ (http://blog.digg.com/?p=74). It is time to take a step back and let the group handle it, before we destroy a site that we all love (at least love enough to create an uproar so large as this one has been). But Since we all fell like attacking something let us attack the DMCA and end this kind of crap at the source rather then attack a third party required by law to oblige.
Just One Digger,
Powder - yonis, on 11/13/2007, -21/+448Now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast of AMAZING [PICTURE]: APPLE IPHONE BROWSES DIGG!!!! stories.
- randomgeek, on 11/13/2007, -128/+465I'm I the only one that thought that sounded like a pansy reply? I mean, Digg is essentially dead as of right now as it is flooded with literally hundreds of posts about the key. And now that they have basically lost control of the situation, they say, "Oh, we're sorry! We'll fight for you!" Did you -really- have a choice at this point?
Something had to give.
I'm more inclined to think that everyone sat around a conference table and said, "We can't keep up with this. We either let them do what they want, or take the site down," not, "We messed up here. We should have gone to bat for our users like Google did, or like Slashdot has done - even if eventually they still had to take down the materiel, they built strong loyalty from their users by standing up for them."
But more seriously, they've screwed themselves in the eyes of the law. If they had never removed comments in the first place, they'd have a legal leg to stand on, but because they've shown that they can and do have editor powers, they are not protected at all. If you delete one, you have to delete them all (as far as I understand the DMCA). So it's really a matter to too little, too late. You might as well continue to delete the posts now or you're going to get pounded. And no, you can't blame the users if you do get pounded. You guys took the advice of a guy in a suit instead of going with your gut. - defectDS, on 11/13/2007, -25/+337Remember remember the first of Mayvember.
- mraustin1337, on 11/02/2007, -80/+377I give my respect. Kevin Rose. You are the man.
- dvsf, on 11/02/2007, -20/+3065/1/07 never forget
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/481017943_46dd1795fe_o.jpg - kylev, on 11/11/2007, -33/+236Well said. I pray we do not lose digg in the service of a single injustice. Kevin, I still enjoy digg and hope it rises from these flames.
- themastersb, on 11/13/2007, -37/+225Now. If only we could be this enthusiastic about impeachment.
- RobertS44, on 11/11/2007, -95/+265Can we get back to *real* content now kids? kthx
- thatbox, on 11/13/2007, -41/+198While this is obviously the right move, it was pretty much the only move if Digg was going to continue with its past goodwill relationship with its users. Kevin's post on the blog isn't some honorable stand for what's right; it's self-preservation. At first, the "safest" course of action was to heed the notice from the HD-DVD people, but as the ***** kept getting more and more powerful it became more and more obvious that the respect and adoration that make Kevin and Revision3's projects so successful was fast disappearing, revealing a new priority: maintaining the "internet rockstar" status that Kevin's career is built on. The seesaw tipped on its own; Kevin is just sliding from one end to the other.
If he'd taken this stance from the beginning, as his reputation practically demanded, there would have been no ***** like this - in fact, quite the opposite. He could have remained silent on it and let it pass, or made a post about standing up to the ridiculous takedown notice to earn some admiration. But the fact that he let it go on for so long points to the insincerity of making this move now, in a last-ditch effort to maintain his status as the posterboy of most things that are going right with the web these days. Trying to get back on the side of the users is almost like sneaking from one side of a battle to the other when you realize you picked the losers to start with, and it's a cheap play to save face.
Will it work? Probably, as already evidenced by all the WE FORGIVE DIGG and DIGG THIS IF YOU LOVE KEVIN ROSE comments above. Does he deserve your praise now? ***** no - it's a blatant attempt not to be left behind in an angry cloud of dust.
tl;dr version: Kevin's blog post is insincere and came too late after a line had been crossed. His newfound support for the "Digg resistance" is based on nothing other than a desire to save his reputation and his relevance, and is blatant and disgusting. He'll gloss over it in his next podcast and try to portray himself as some kind of rallying point against overbearing DMCA/copyright law, and most Diggers will fall for it, even though they shouldn't. He doesn't deserve your respect for this at this point; the choice was easy to make by the time he made it. - TriteLife, on 10/12/2007, -39/+193The only problem with dying fighting is that Digg is doing both. They'll be the ones fighting and if they lose, they'll be the ones dying.
Whereas the community just reads about it and moves on. The only thing they lose is a site off their bookmarks. All because Digg want's to keep the 50% of members who happily spammed the daylights out of Digg for a code that none of them will ever use. Let's face it, No more than 15% of Digg uses linux, and maybe 2% of them will actually ever use this code for anything. - ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -8/+151Can't move on until you UN-BANN all the people you banned for submitting these stories and numbers...including the guy chesterjosiah who submitted the story that got the 15,000 diggs. I mean, if Kevin Rose is going to post the numbers, shouldn't he get banned also?
Not that they'll all come back mind you. - praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -9/+146Dude...I don't think Digg wants you posting that.
- DigiDave, on 11/13/2007, -13/+145I'm still left with a big question mark on my head: Digg got a cease and desist letter but according to first ammendment law (of which I might be a little rusty on): news organizations have the right to re-print material that private companies don't. I don't think it's a stretch to call Digg a news organizations (of sorts) -- and I think they know that.
The real problem here is that Digg, which is supposed to be a "democracy" and all about freedom of speech -- banned USERS (not just stories) for mentioning something that was on every other major tech news site. I bet a lot of those sites didn't pull down the information at the first sign of a c&d order: Digg pulled it down because the letter was coming from a PAYING SPONSOR.
It was only after being called out that Digg has decided to sack up. "At least we went down fighting." -- I doubt this will end up in a lawsuit -- I don't think a real lawsuit was ever an issue: Although the individual user who re-published the info might be in trouble -- digg the organization would be in the clear -- and their lawyers would know that. I think pointing the the c&d letter is just a proxy for financial motivations.... Just my 2 cents. - ZPWeeks, on 11/13/2007, -30/+158Kevin, that took some balls. This might not even have been your battle, but you still are paying the most attention to what your customers want, even in the face of your company's possible demise.
Now let's rally some real support instead of flooding the frontpage. We're on the same team. We never weren't. - Lylepalooza, on 10/12/2007, -14/+136While I am glad that Digg is sticking to its vision of letting the users vote with their feet (and mouse) it's a shame that the company has been forced into this position. I would like to think it was NOT due to the number of people considering using ad blocking on the site, and restricting their revenue. I would like to think it was the thought of valued users leaving in droves, and the though of doing right by them.
Anyway, it's going to make great news for a few months to come! I am sure if push came to shove the users of Digg would be more than willing to fund any sort of legal campaign against the MPAA, am I right? - ekarulf, on 10/27/2007, -20/+125I'm glad to see that the administration is willing to listen to the users. I hope that you guys unban the users as it would be awfully unfair otherwise.
Anyway, well written, and maybe we can all get back to digging real articles... - bonked, on 11/11/2007, -32/+135Holy *****! Seems that Kevin actually had the balls to take on the fight - it only took 1000s of users letting him know the choice was not just his.
Kevin, you made your bones with the Broken - you need to make your lawyers earn their cash - by protecting what you do, not preventing you from doing it. - nicbrown, on 10/12/2007, -21/+122It's better to be a Pirate than Join the Navy.
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- PsychoticClown, on 10/12/2007, -50/+136Kevin Rose has guts. This is amazing. I can't believe he sided with the Digg users over his sponsor. I mean it would've been bitter but I would've understood. I think we all owe it to Kevin to be ready to donate whatever we can to help if there should be a lawsuit. Anyone with me?
- Drood, on 10/12/2007, -77/+159Acting like five year olds? As I posted elsewhere earlier, ANY censorship is a bad thing. How far does the line have to be crossed before YOU give a *****? Far better to draw the line now than when it's something important.
Honestly, you people making snarky remarks like that... I would say you can't see the big picture, but clearly you're not even looking at the ***** thing. - merkul, on 11/11/2007, -18/+100Its easy for everyone who uses this site to revolt, but it takes a sack of steel to actually be legally responsible and say screw it. As a digg user, props for at the end of the day putting the user first.
- Justinpirate, on 10/12/2007, -18/+100I just hope this crap stops. I miss reading good material on digg.
- Yokohamalion, on 10/12/2007, -26/+102To Kevin Rose:
You praise a site like the Pirate Bay for having the balls to stand up to corporate blackmail its a pity your first instincts are not as acute. - klaarn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+87how about you guys reinstate the 15,000+ digg story and unban the ips and fix the deleted accounts.
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -27/+81"Kevin Rose has guts. This is amazing. I can't believe he sided with the Digg users over his sponsor. I mean it would've been bitter but I would've understood. I think we all owe it to Kevin to be ready to donate whatever we can to help if there should be a lawsuit. Anyone with me?"
Sorry, but we didn't give him a choice. He either is with us or he's done. I hoped that he would give a better response. It looks like he was forced to write this. - insovietrussia, on 10/12/2007, -98/+152The behaviour of Digg users over the last 24 hours has been nothing short of disgusting. A small minority has lead a mob mentality, wreaking havoc for the majority and ruining the experience of all users.
Shame on all Digg users for putting Kevin in this position.
I beg of anyone to explain what on earth Kevin and the Digg staff did to deserve this kind of treatment from the community they have helped foster.
***** all you stupid kids and your pathetic attempts and reigning anarchy, you are no better than the MPAA trying to shove ***** down everyones throat. - rampancy, on 11/13/2007, -2/+54Except that Slashdot was in general a lot more transparent about why it took down those links, and what they actually did to deal with the DMCA issues. They even told you how to get around the legal problems and get at the controversial information yourself if you wanted.
- IsPoLiN, on 10/12/2007, -13/+63@randomgeek
Even if they did the right thing for the wrong reasons, we need to stand by them now to encourage them doing the right thing in the future.
And if they do get pounded legally, we need to lend them what support we can if only because it is in our best interest as well. - RunnyBabbit, on 10/12/2007, -16/+63Actually, I thought it was all about punishment not fitting the crime. Banning users seems harsh.
- ryanchristopher, on 10/12/2007, -8/+53Kevin there is only one way to make it all up to us and I think you know what it is, a picture section.
- philovivero, on 11/08/2007, -10/+55This happened to Slashdot a few years back, IIRC. Except it was Scientology who sent a C&D about some comment that posted their crazy OTIII text or something like that. Those were good times.
- redwire, on 10/12/2007, -6/+49Its going to be an interesting diggnation this week :)
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -8/+50"Tyranny of the masses. Such is life. Digg, I hope you survive the lawyer onslaught, I really do."
Don't worry, digg user base just proved that it's impossible to filter the content against the will of majority of the users.
I think they are pretty safe from any harm from MPAA.
Besides they (MPAA) don't even have any case here, they basically abused DMCA.
Anyway, I know digg isn't here just for fun, I know the money is important, but they should never go against their users. Digg is a social bookmarking site, without users they're nobody. Banning users was a really idiotic idea. - Lazrius, on 11/11/2007, -24/+65Wow, It's cool to see a reaction from digg. Good for you digg, standing up to defend your users.
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Why were users banned? What about Chesterjosiah? - Pokez, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48@MrStabby
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/AlyssaRochelle/Cats/1155446819519.jpg - stickynips, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40alright, now what happens to all the users that were banned? do we just forget about them?
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -31/+70It looks like the inmates run this ***** asylum.
- acceptab1euname, on 10/12/2007, -14/+52No, it doesn't - it proves that he's caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. He can keep nuking stories and banning users, or he can face a possible lawsuit - and do note that digg sells nothing, and has no income apart from ad revenue - it might be "worth millions" to a potential buyer, but that won't pay the lawyers. The 'let's post a magic number protest story' thing has clearly caught on, and probably quite a lot of people would be driven away from this site were the bannings to continue - and less readers means less ad revenue means less potential value digg has!
Kevin should have come up with a response a LOT faster - this just shows he couldn't keep ignoring the issue with the large number of digg users posting these stories. Doesn't make him 'the ***** man'. - Khabi, on 11/11/2007, -40/+77"listening to the users"
or bowing before a riot of idiots
The two are not the same. - MackDiesel2010, on 10/12/2007, -4/+40Pics and this never happened
- lxdengar, on 10/12/2007, -14/+49Kevin - Thanks.
Talk to legal counsel now. Fight it. Talk to the EFF as soon as you can. There's help on this one, and it could be a watershed case. Fight it. -
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