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- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -14/+179I, for one, welcome our sweaty, stinking, perversely obtuse minded, technologically ignorant, poorly worded overlords.
Digg: Now like real life!(tm)(r)(c) - Greg-J, on 10/12/2007, -47/+175Before we start to get the "Digg is selling out" or "Digg is a tech site, keep everything else out", do note that Kevin and his crew have to make a living and the plain truth is that they provide this service in hopes that you will click the ads and send them a resulting paycheck. As someone who has had my sites 'dugg' to the front page 5 times, I can tell you that this crowd most definitely does not click ads, if they are displayed at all.
You may think you're being clever with your ad-blocking extensions, but all you're doing by 'sticking it to the man' is bringing this on yourself. They need the revenue to keep the site going and you aren't providing it.
The people bitching about the site getting less techy are the ones responsible for making it that way. I for one welcome the change. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+138"You may think you're being clever with your ad-blocking extensions, but all you're doing by 'sticking it to the man' is bringing this on yourself. They need the revenue to keep the site going and you aren't providing it."
If I already won't click on it, because absolutely none of the ads interest me in any way and I don't shop spur-of-the-moment online, does it really matter if I block the ads? - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -12/+124Nooooo...not politics!
Heh, have you seen what happens to websites when they start allowing political content? It instantly becomes flooded with ugly partisan debates filled with inaccurate information, rumors, conspiracy theories, and lies.
It also means that the majority political opinion on the web out-muscles the dissenting opinion, constantly driving away those with minority views. That means to the website will suffer heavily from "groupthink", and good debates vanish. Even worse, the comments section become so rude and vile, that it drives away almost everyone except the most bitter and hardened political flamewar junkies.
If you don't believe me, look at Fark's political section. http://www.fark.com/politics/ Read the comments to see just how ugly it can be. Now just imagine that with free moderation for everyone. It would be a disaster. - RandomSkratch, on 10/12/2007, -6/+104Wait wait hold on a sec... You're telling me that people actually click ads on purpose? Surely you jest... I think the last time I clicked an ad was when I wanted to click a legitimate link but the page wasn't loaded and this ad just jumped under my cursor.. or when I tried to kill those ducks...sneaky flying ducks..
- konspence, on 10/12/2007, -8/+94This story isn't tech related, no digg.
(and yes, I'm being sarcastic, to those people with no sense of humor) - dhakbar, on 10/12/2007, -68/+137"You may think you're being clever with your ad-blocking extensions, but all you're doing by 'sticking it to the man' is bringing this on yourself. They need the revenue to keep the site going and you aren't providing it."
Since when has providing revenue been my duty? I, like most people, will take what I can get for free because it makes sense. - Greg-J, on 10/12/2007, -63/+124"Since when has providing revenue been my duty? I, like most people, will take what I can get for free because it makes sense."
I, like most decent people, will patronize and support those businesses that provide me a service. Pull your head out of your ass. - aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+59I'm excited. I am sure that they'll find a way to make it work.
Just as long as I don't see any "DIGG HERE IF YOU THINK BUSH SUX!" or "Brad & Jolie BROKEN UP?!" posts on the front page. - silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61AdBlock has option "Support websites".
Which i use on few sites (digg included). - 2L84ME, on 10/12/2007, -11/+67"You may think you're being clever with your ad-blocking extensions, but all you're doing by 'sticking it to the man' is bringing this on yourself. They need the revenue to keep the site going and you aren't providing it."
When I block ads, my aim isn't to "stick it to the man". I don't do it maliciously; deliberately going out to decrease the revenue of the ad owners. I do it selfishly; I don't like those damn ads on my screen, all I want on my screen is content that I *know* I'm interested in, not content that businesses will *think* will interest me. - biffsputnik, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65@GregJ
Agreed with dhakbar. While I agree with you that it may be that online business will do what they need to do to bring in revenue, I disagree with your assertion that avoiding ads or not clicking thru is "sticking it to the man". If 'the man's' business model isn't working for him, then it is up to 'the man' to find something that works. Kudos to digg for moving forward and trying something new. - saudama, on 10/12/2007, -11/+64Digg's charm is that it is focused on science and tech news. If I wanted political, business or sports news, I would go to CNN or BBC...
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47"I love Technology and adding more topics will dilute the tech news, and we will be bombarded with crap."
I'm with you. If they crammed stores of all categories to the main page, it would create more confusion and problems.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if there were subsections to digg, such as politics.digg.com. Just leave political stories to that subsite. It would give those of us who hate political flamewars a way to easily ignore the content, while still giving those who like such flamewars a place to go. - Chive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43Frame the argument in any way you like. In the end I'm NOT obligated to display ads nor to click on ads. I'm not obligated to watch commercials nor to peer at billboards.
Too much of our society is based around advertising and advertising revenue. This is not necessarly a good thing. If the ad driven model of the internet breaks down it will not cause me to cry a single tear. - landlord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36Maybe Digg will add a filter so we can personalize the front page that we see. That way we can filter any non-tech news from our version of the front page.
- systmltdn, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45I agree w/helix400
also, I don't really care, this is my escape away from such news as religion, politics, and others. I love Technology and adding more topics will dilute the tech news, and we will be bombarded with crap.
but that's ok, I'll just digg the tech stuff, ignore the crap, and go on with my day... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34I dont like the idea. I hope they atleast give us an option to choose the topics i want to see. Otherwise I guess that front page will be full of US political news which isnt of any use to me.
- ionut, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37The changes will roll out in the next 30 days, says Steve Rubel ( http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/06/digg_to_move_in.html )
- Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38"ugly partisan debates filled with inaccurate information, rumors, conspiracy theories, and lies."
And this is different from the average "discussion" of game consoles here in what way exactly? - rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -18/+44I think that the solution for those with your opinion would be to simply not read any articles submitted to the Political category nor participate in those threads..
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"It instantly becomes flooded with ugly partisan debates filled with inaccurate information, rumors, conspiracy theories, and lies."
Sounds like the Apple section we have already. - Cytranic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Its G4/Tech TV all over!
ps. I'll buy 10x the digg tshirts before I'll ever ever click on an ad. Get direct revenue, not shared. - JerMe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26SOON? Haven't we already been digging stories in "world news, entertainment, politics, and more"? That's like announcing, "Google: Soon to be Indexing .torrent Files"!
We've been front-paging non-tech stories for a while now. Digg isn't purely a tech website (not anymore, at least), so what? That's the nature of this Web 2.0 beast. - nomechingues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19im sure you will be able to pick what you would like displayed on your page like tech politics sports, art atc
- deut, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Holy crap, when did KR become the CEO? :-) I guess Jay Adelson must have got the boot.
- greenbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17i was thinking the same thing. hopefully when digg updates you'll be able to go to your profile and just choose what topics you do and don't want to see.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21In the 11 years I have been using the Internet I have never, not even once, clicked on an advertisement banner and purchased something from that vendor.
I have bought tens of thousands of dollars worth of stuff over the Internet, but none of it through an ad. I happily block all ads with AdBlock and let the undiscerning cattle subsidize my web browsing habits. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18One: anyone that trys to prevent the natural progression of a site is stupid especially if they want to make money.
Two: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2206
this greasemoneky script "block a digg article(or user)" is so amazingly functional that it should be included in digg's code. You could block politics all together and it would be like it is isnt even here. You can make digg just a tech site for you.
I use it to block paris hilton and apple. Not that i dont like apples, i dont own one and wont be getting one soon
and userscripts is working well today - kaidadragonfly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I'm sure I'm not the only minor on Digg without a credit card, perhaps that could account for not clicking on ads.
The fact that we couldn't buy the stuff even if we wanted to. - dnthomps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I really do not know how I feel about Digg's expantion. We have all seen this coming for quite a while now. It ot me to thinking about other ways that Digg could Improve. It all comes back to MORE USER OPTIONS. Here are some of my ideas:
User option 1: Let the user choose which categories should be displayed to him/her.
User option 2: Let the user block unwanted words. Allow the user to blocker stories that contain certain words in the title and/or descriptions.
User option 3: Tags!!! Diggers cannot tag items for sh*t. Stories about 'design' end up under 'programing,' stories about 'gaming' under 'software' and so on... Let the user create his/her own damn tags. I hate searching my own profile for a story I found a long time ago.. I have no clue where to look for it and lets face it... Diggs search isn't exactly the best. I often find myself typing in 'site:digg.com' at google.
I think that if Digg were to release the first and second options the site would not change for the people that only want to see tech. As a matter of fact the site would improve because the user would never have to see another story about "Google calls Bush a failure" and other CRAP!
I will submit these to feedback@digg.com but I wanted to post these ideas here first. If you feel the same you might just email them too. The more people that suggest a feature the more likely it is to go through!! - bluemech, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Why not make a seperate section for non tech news?
- WestervilleSlim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Actually, I love this. I've been waiting for it ever since KR said it was coming on a recent TWIT podcast.
What I'm really hoping for is healthcare.digg. This seems to be one area where the news we get about which drug supposedly does this or that, or bird flu, or whatever is very out-of-touch with what people are actually looking for. That's the strength of Digg, I think. It is effective in getting immediately past the mainstream news headlines and getting to stuff that we really care about.
But with Digg able to do that with tech/science, will it be as successful with politics, world news, entertainment, healthcare, etc.??
I hope it works.
I also agree that this other stuff should be totally separate from this tech site. - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Am I the only Digg user who is looking forward to this?
Jesus, the frontpage is already 50% non-tech related stuff anyways nowdays, and now it will just be much more organized, and no whiney retards crying about how "waaaahhh this post isnt tech related" and getting -100 digs.
Nobody is going to force you to read the other sections anyways. Just stick with the Tech/Science sections if you really are that emo about digg expanding.
Babies. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Wake the ***** up.
'Appeal To The Masses'
Yeah, that's right. That's how you make MONEY and keep a site going. You don't make ***** catering to a bunch of geeks laughing about their ad-block extensions. - jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@ Greg-J - If they need the money that bad they could always put up a donate button on the site. I'd be happy to donate a buck or two but no matter what there's no way I'm ever clicking an ad or turning off Adblock.
- mailedbypostman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Digg will now become a political debate 24/7.
I don't like this. - philovivero, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I'm seeing a lot of comments like yours, where people are worried about the dilution of tech news on Digg. "Bush sux" vs. "Angelina Jolie's whereabouts last Saturday" vs. "who passed the most yardage last season."
I'm not allowed to say much, but I think it's safe for me to say your concerns were at the forefront of Digg designers' concerns when designing the site for news !technews. I suspect if you tweak your profile appropriately, you will notice almost no difference whatsoever in Digg's content.
Furthermore, I think you will notice some radical new ways of using Digg that may make it BETTER for you than today.
All that said, if you go looking for it, I think you will find exactly the sorts of stories you're talking about and are worried about. The key words being: "if you go looking for it." Sometimes on a lazy Sunday afternoon, I might actually go trolling through the Entertainment section to see what sort of panties Natalie Portman wears, or what style hot grits she eats.
Note: For those of you new to the site, I'm a Digg employee, which is why I know things the general public doesn't know, and yet have to maintain this somewhat annoying air of secrecy. - silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"AdBlock has option "Support websites".
Which i use on few sites (digg included)."
It does? Where? I don't see it anywhere on my options or preferences page."
Exstensions > AdBlock Plus > Options > AdBlock Options > "Support websites"
you even have "Add current website" for lazy asses :P - electronaught, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Have you ever submitted a story and then decided you wanted to change the title or description?? Anyways since we're making suggestions, i would suggest being able to edit the title or description, or at least the title if no one has dugg your story yet.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12They need to fix this woefully inadequate comment rating and nepotistic story submission system first!
Imagine Digg but with even more tards, spammers and shysters gaming the system. If you think tech fanboys are bad, you haven't seen the activists and "patriots" yet! Wait until all the Demorats and Republicants show up.
I warn you now Digg, fix it, or Digg will degenerate into another Usenet once the masses come flooding in. All spam and insults, and no serious or useful discussion at all. - crash013, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Digg is a tech site. Keep the politics out.
- Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I'm definatly looking forward to this too. I certainly feel this will make Digg a far better site than it already is.
- matx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I hope that we will be able to filter out what topics we dont want to see and what we want to see. That would do for me :D
- muffins, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13No offense but there are already sites that do this stuff like Shoutwire. Digg was special because it was tech news. If you're going to go non-tech please make a new site and don't ruin digg.
- Dementual, on 01/27/2008, -2/+10Wonderful.
I thought that Digg was there, specifically for geeks. It was the one reliable news source that I knew for Tech and tech only. Now they're adding politics and world news... GODDAMN IT! Everything I've known is dead. Instead of going to Digg and finding "New PS3 Info!", "nVidia dropped their prices!", and "New Vista beta released!", I'd go and find "Bush sux LoL!", "mYsPACE IZ KOOOL", and "BUSH NEDS TO STOP HIS THING IN IRAQ BECUZ ITS WRONG LOL!".
Well, now that I'm done ranting, I'll wait to see for this little change and how Digg itself will change. One thing I'm worried about, however, is Diggnation. If Diggnation has political subjects (and I HATE politics), not only will they drag on for hours on end, they'll cause many people to stop watching. Don't flame me over my opinion. I really won't say anything else on this matter until the change rolls out, but I'll guarantee you, it won't be for the best, despite what people say. If Digg wants money, put a little "Donate" button for PayPal somewhere. Not only would that be more effective, but it'd work out for all of us. - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"That's a nice idea, but eventually the same people who come for the politcs end up moving the political talk into other threads."
Exactly. Past experience has shown this happens. Once you introduce politics onto the main page, even non-political stories get more political flamewars in the comments section. Plus, if you mix politics on the main page, too many first-time visitors will be turned away how one-sided all the political stories are, and will never come back. That will mean that these offtopic flamewars would be more one-sided...making it even more annoying. The best bet is to put politics into it's own subsite, and not let it mix into the main page. - runep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Will there be girls? I'm afraid of girls.
- falcon707, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8How is this tech related?
(lol, sorry I had to!) - Jergens, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Digg should just go ahead and change it's name to Fark.
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