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- itignition, on 09/05/2008, -34/+170I think when a company moves, it should NOT be considered an "American" company. I think where your product is made should be the country of origin and NOT where the the head office is located. At least then the government could tariff and tax goods, and add incentives to keep people employed in the U.S.
Well people.....you cant afford your house, and now say goodbye to your job.
Dell = greed, and not community. Very un-neighborly and disappointing. - tnoy, on 09/06/2008, -5/+122Dell = A business.
Dell isn't greedy, they're not the problem. Its the consumer that thinks the $299 PC is overpriced. - cybrguy, on 09/05/2008, -8/+93Again, a large business eliminating decent paying jobs here in the US. HP already made this move. Its sad to see because its far more difficult to produce wealth with a service based economy compared to manufacturing based economy.
- john1108, on 09/06/2008, -1/+68Did you see what happened to their stocks. They are doing this to survive in the market. People blame companies for shipping jobs overseas but they have to to compete. what can you do if all your competition gets cheaper labor than you and maximizes their profits only to reinvest and get cheaper labor overseas?
Im just saying you should think about this in another perspective.
Im not defending dell, just being informative. - inactive, on 09/05/2008, -5/+43Bad news.
- gbhall, on 09/06/2008, -5/+39I always thought Dells were made in China! A company can't afford to keep its current prices when its cost of production increases, so I don't blame Dell for moving. Either that or do you want to pay the same prices as Macs?
- arjie, on 09/06/2008, -0/+31Dude, Apple makes its stuff in Taiwan after subcontracting to Asus.
- plagiats, on 09/06/2008, -10/+39Misleading title. When something is specific to the US please mention it in the title.
- BDOUG, on 09/06/2008, -8/+34America: land of fast food joints, a shortage of health care workers, an abundance of ignorance, and a surplus of bitching cubicle denizens (incl me). It's gonna have to get a lot worse before we get off our asses and make it get any better. Only after China et al have totally kicked our asses economically will we wake up and start making durable goods again, and return to a little more self-sufficiency. Smart countries manufacturer some things and trade for the other things they don't want to (or can't) make. Seems we don't make much of anything any more. We shuffle documents and data around and call it work. Broken window fallacy has become TPS report fallacy.
People blame the unions but the unions were in response to a very real problem back in the day and it worked well for a period of time. Sadly that solution has fallen victim to the inevitable corruption. Worse, it has not kept up with the technology and tactics of the modern Robber Barons who use H1B's and off-shoring to artificially suppress worker wages and inflate executives' wages. The union idea needs to be abandoned (or at least rebooted) into something new. Something that organizes working class people not only on the labor side but also on the consumption side of the equation. We need to make products and provide services for ourselves first, and only trade for them as a secondary channel. Isolationism is not the answer, but going the other direction and giving it all away to other nations is economic suicide. - screwy3333, on 09/05/2008, -4/+30I plan on buying 14 of the factories for my newly formed BTO mega corporation.....
- Litespeed, on 09/06/2008, -0/+24Those of us outside of the US get our Dells from Malaysia so it's business as usual everywhere else in the world.
- gbhall, on 09/06/2008, -6/+29So Apple is Chinese by your logic, seeing as everything is "assembled in China", but, "designed in California"?
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -14/+36Hey dude am not buying a dell anymore. Let them sell their junk to China.
- localzuk, on 09/06/2008, -6/+28Wow, a lot of people don't seem to understand market economics. Dell is losing money. They legally have to do something about that, and cutting costs by outsourcing is the way they can do it. If they don't, the company directors can be liable to being sued by shareholders. Another possibility is Dell not continuing to trade, as they would simply not be making a profit, and would end up running out of money. So in that situation, they'd have no employees and not be taxable... Which solution is better?
The USA will still be making massive profit from this, in the form of taxes. So, stop your whining and learn a bit about business before you do it again. - waspbr, on 09/06/2008, -3/+23Don't get into a global war then
- RaulMuadDib, on 09/06/2008, -0/+19"I'm getting a dell [factory]"
- aliguana, on 09/06/2008, -3/+21Dell = a business, not a charity. Of course American companies should stay in America, British ones in Britain etc, but it's been going this way for years, and with the developing world getting more smart (via free laptops, school foundations etc) even more business is going to be going their way, not less.
The thing is, they are adapting to the 21st century, while the people in the Western world aren't. We have to adapt our lifestyles, jobs, communities and expectations to match. Just saying "not fair" isn't going to cut it. - inactive, on 09/06/2008, -2/+20You might as well stop buying any computer components, its all made in China, get over it.
- waspbr, on 09/06/2008, -6/+22big whoop, it would stupid for dell to keep manufacturing in the US at higher costs when the competition has already moved to cheaper manufacturing plants overseas... like apple, ASUS, IBMM and many others. lame article.
- MagnumX, on 09/06/2008, -2/+17To those who keep saying that we should move away from a manufacturing economy I offer the following:
1) You can't have an economy that doesn't produce anything. If you are always a "supplier," "speculator," or "middle-man" someone will always find a way to go to your source or a similar one and cut you out of the supply chain at a lower cost. Successful economies produce things, and that means manufacturing.
2)The growing markets in asia are an opportunity to sell goods manufactured in the United States to new markets. If these new factory workers that are producing and competing with our workers are developing disposable income, it would seem that new and innovative means of manufacturing here in the US could produce products they would find attractive. Lets do our market research and compete.
3)Wars are won by manufacturing (not to denigrate troops, but troops need supply). Its an uncomfortable reality that wars are part of our greater economic picture, but security, economy, and manufacturing are closely linked. Its no accident that during the cold war Soviet missiles were targeted on Detroit, Peoria, Cleveland, etc above some military targets. They understood that american manufacturing was their biggest threat in a prolonged conflict (and they should know since we supplied ourselves, the free French, the British, and the Soviets in WWII).
4)Overseas outsourcing only has one logical conclusion if it continues at this pace. As the overseas markets mature the managerial positions currently outsourcing jobs will themselves be outsourced. These nations are not in this for free they want their own middle class and their own prosperity and they have lots of educated people willing to be an accountant or account manager for less than the accountant or account manager currently suggesting moving operations over seas. Some will say but American stockholders will still benefit, so at least the ownership will not be outsourced. Sure, until you see point 1 above. Sooner or later someone will cut you out of the market becuase when your entire company is outsourced you now longer add anything to the process and are now expendable, owner, stockholder, or not.
So, don't let America go the way of the British Empire. Invest in high-tech American manufacturing and get those goods over-seas into those developing markets. Reverse the trade gap, create jobs, and innovate instead of outsourcing our future.
- stroger, on 09/05/2008, -6/+19very sad.
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -0/+12So who will you buy from. Seriously.
- zeebo, on 09/06/2008, -2/+14If your company is failing the last thing you want to do is close your factories and fire your workers. When you outsource your products, what do you have left? What is your company at that point? Apple at least writes their own software even if foxconn makes their hardware. What is Dell going to do at that point? They get their operating systems from Microsoft, they're going to get their hardware from some no-name chinese company, what are they going to make? What value are they going to add as a collection of overpaid executives with a marketing department? Ten years from now, the company that's producing Dells machines will likely buy dell just for the brand name, that is if ***** all over their employees and destroying the communities where those factories are hasn't destroyed the brand.
My advice to Dell: Fire the yes men and the worthless executives, have the ones who are left lower their own pay so that you can keep as many of your workers as possible, do away with the marketing department whose jobs are to con people into buying ***** products and work on coming up with something that can make money. Make a good product that differentiates itself from the competition and you'll make money. Its as simple as that. - Gripweed, on 09/06/2008, -3/+14Let's take it one step further. US goverment agencies should not buy products that are not manufactured in the US.
I work in the DME (Durable Medical Equipment) industry. We can not sell a scooter or wheelchair to the VA (Veteran Administration) unless it has primarily US-made components (if I remember correctly it must be >75% content) and is assembled the US. This should be true for all government agencies. - slugicide, on 09/06/2008, -7/+18I hope from that point forward they lose all tax exemptions.
- CosmicJustice, on 09/06/2008, -4/+13No! No! No!
Again, US CONSUMERS eliminating decent paying jobs here in the US by buying cheaper foreign goods from countries where the workers are wage slaves. - PhilMoskowitz, on 09/06/2008, -0/+9Another 2 years and they'll be rolling up the highways in the US.
- BobbyMC, on 09/06/2008, -4/+13Wonderful, my dad jobless is exactly what my family needed. We're *****.
- geogeer, on 09/06/2008, -3/+12The problem is not Dell, it is us. Are you willing to pay 50% more for a machine made here vs. China? If you are not willing to spend more for something manufactured here then you have no right to complain when factories here shut their doors and move to China.
- ryanonfire, on 09/06/2008, -0/+9"its far more difficult to product wealth with a service based economy compared to manufacturing based economy" I bet to differ, US services made up almost 70% of GDP while manufacturing only 12%. Source: http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/economy-in-b ...
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -1/+10Wow. It's rather impressive that they've gone this long without doing this. You have to give them props for that.
Granted, if they could get enough people to work for $0.50 an hour they could keep the jobs here. But I suspect no one would take them up on it, let alone minimum wage laws and such would prevent it anyway. - noumuon, on 09/06/2008, -0/+8aren't workers anywhere wage slaves? i believe you mean slave wages.
- ryanonfire, on 09/06/2008, -0/+8They already do www.dell.com.cn
- MagnumX, on 09/06/2008, -0/+8I beg to differ, for the last two decades this is what coroporate executives do when they won't make $15 million this year plus a bonus and instead will make only $7 million or $8 million. This is absolutely core to our problem. American companies are being robbed blind from the inside by the executive leadership. The higher the profit posted, the bigger the bonuses, the better the stock price, the better the additional stock price bonuses...When does the madness end? Do these people do anything that justifies their cost to the company? What do they produce? Look at the number of vice presidents in some of these companies and the the staggering number of associate or assistant vice presidents.
What happened to re-investing in the company? It went away to make room for bigger salaries and bonuses.
What happened to the pure research that made Bell Labs, GM, Texas Instruments, IBM, and HP the core of American industry and technology development. Pure research couldn't be tied to a "profit motive" or it wasn't entirely clear you would make money on some ideas, so it got axed.
Taxes are not the issue...business making money is not the issue...who benefits to the detriment of their companies and the rest of us, that is the issue. So, this isn't about Obama or even about McCain, its about poorly regulated and corrupt management that doesn't do right by their stockholders, their workers, their companies, or their nation. - arjie, on 09/06/2008, -3/+11Sir, that isn't true. On the low end, the Inspiron 13 (specced to the same as the macbook, some parts higher) is $170 cheaper. On the high end, the XPS M1330 (specced to the same, some parts higher) is $1,300 vs. the Macbook's $1,800 and the XPS gets you a GeForce 8400M GS.
Ta-dah! - prgmctan, on 09/06/2008, -1/+9Logo looks like a frowny face.
- seltaeb4, on 09/06/2008, -5/+13Gee, with all the money Dell will be saving by moving their factories overseas, I guess we'll all be seeing tremendous price cuts on their computers passed on to us, right?
Corporations are not your friends. - silviumc, on 09/06/2008, -1/+8You WERE the biggest manufacturer in the world. China has just overtaken you. This news was on digg a couple of months ago.
And yes service based economy has no balls. Next thing your military will use rifles Made in China.
Damn shame too, because we need the US as superpower. Or else we're left with the likes of China, Russia, India... No thanks, I'll pick the obnoxious US any second over these. - explnx, on 04/27/2009, -0/+7What is it about Americans that makes them think that they deserve to be payed more to do the same work than any other human that didn't win the geopolitical lottery at birth? The U.S. isn't special anymore, and it there is no reason for the rest of the world to keep propping it up. You can buy some time by restricting free trade, but will only stave off the inevitable and hurt us in the long run by cutting us out of the world economy.
Take advantage of the educational system in your country. Get into a career that can't be outsourced, or don't cry when poor people from Asia get paid so they can afford to eat some beef once in a while instead of just rice, and you can't afford quite as large a plasma tv. - inactive, on 09/06/2008, -0/+7You won't be using a computer for very much longer sir.
- muya, on 09/06/2008, -1/+8Actually a lot of Dell's laptops are made in Ireland.
- Punch405, on 09/06/2008, -1/+8What's the slogan? "You ain't seen nuthin' yet" or something?
/Takin' Care of Business? - clupean, on 09/06/2008, -0/+7I'm in Spain, and my Dell was manufactured in Ireland.
- mnpilot, on 09/06/2008, -4/+11Another un-educated, fear related statement. How about thanks to Bush for sending a Trillion dollars to Iraq, high gas prices, and only giving tax breaks to the top companies who in turn send jobs overseas. Get a clue.
- ryanonfire, on 09/06/2008, -1/+8Exactly. If you want dell to keep jobs in the US then give them a donation or STFU.
- Beautyon, on 09/06/2008, -2/+8Thats the kind of 'thinking' that sends companies running from america. Do you want Dell and other companies to operate in america or not?
Punishing companies makes them move away; let me put it in terms you might be able to understand:
The internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it.
Business sees government, taxation, regulation and whiney, spoiled, over unionized workforces as damage and routes around it.
All clear now?
Dell is not evil, and neither should they be punished for moving away from environments that harm business. - inactive, on 09/06/2008, -1/+7Right isn't part of the problem here that the "cheap labor" is people slaving in horrible conditions? If effort were placed on improving their rights and quality of life, they wouldn't be taken advantage of, they'd cost more to hire, and the benefit of outsourcing lessens. I'm no expert but it seems like worker exploitation is the silent machine behind cheap outsourcing... ?
- WoollyMittens, on 09/06/2008, -2/+8Selling your economy to China, so a few men can have really big yachts.
Manufacturing everything overseas creates a horrific trade deficit. How is the US going to make up for that? Selling "Intellectual Property"? Don't be naive. The people you propose selling your ideas to, are not stupid natives. They are fast becoming just as intellectual. - seltaeb4, on 09/06/2008, -1/+7Ironically, IBM doesn't make a single PC anymore. They sold their entire manufacturing operation to China, which renamed them Lenovo.
- gl77, on 09/06/2008, -0/+6relax, there will always be meth labs.
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