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- Wandel, on 12/20/2007, -4/+32Stop buy music from iTunes while you're at it.
The DRM'd music from iTunes that is. - alliekins619, on 12/20/2007, -3/+25A real book?
- MattB123, on 12/20/2007, -1/+13I nominate you!
- carloszun, on 12/20/2007, -3/+13So, what e-reader should I buy?
- mdavis, on 12/20/2007, -17/+26I I loathe DRM as much as the next guy, the name "Defective By Design" just annoys the hell out of me for some reason. It's pretty smug.
- sleepycoder, on 12/20/2007, -3/+12I support a lot of what the FSF does, but some of their claims against ebook readers are incorrect.
1. There can be 6 registered devices that can have an eBook simulataneously. Pretty similar to how iTunes works. It's really annoying and I personally don't put up with it, but the claim "When you purchase a DRM ebook, it is locked to a single device. When the device breaks or becomes outdated, you can no longer read your ebook." is incorrect.
2. The eBook readers support multiple file formats, many of which don't require, or even support, DRM. Authors and publishers can make their books available in non-DRM'ed formats, which is what the FSF wants. Why should restricting access to the DRM format be a bad thing?!? Sounds like the eBook makers are encouraging companies to seek alternatives to DRM'ed formats to me.
I wholeheartedly support not buying DRM'ed eBooks, but the devices themselves support several open formats as well as their proprietary DRM'ed format. I would actually rather see them fighting for open sourcing the firmware on the eBook readers. That would seem to make more sense for all parties involved. - GreyICE, on 12/20/2007, -2/+9iLiad from iRex is currently more expensive, but has a large, 16 color greyscale display, and is based entirely off of Linux. The platform is entirely open, and developers have already created quite a few apps for it.
- baalzebub, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7look around your local town or city, there are lots of places that sell used paperback books cheaper than new books, fleamarkets, pawnshops, yard sales & etc...
- bimmerdude, on 12/20/2007, -3/+9don't buy DRM at all
- woohhaa, on 12/20/2007, -1/+7Ok. I probably wasn't going to buy any ebooks anyways.
- digggggggggg, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6You can sell your old books with no fuss. You can't ever sell your ebooks.
- dacomputerfreak, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7The real problem is that people are way too passive and accepting, they do not understand what DRM is, or sometimes even that it exists at all in the products they purchase. While there are certainly alternatives, the average Joe knows no difference other than price and popularity pertaining to a product. The rest of us who have a basic or better understanding of how these restrictions really work suffer in the end because the masses are willing to go along with every unfair scheme fed to them.
- Vektuz, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5Not only could the books stop working due to defect - but for example, the DRM license is even more restrictive - read the Kindle Licence - they claim the ability to retroactively revoke all books you purchased at a later time, even if nothing break.s
- MWeather, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4PDF IS an open standard. Soon it will be ISO 32000.
- zoomzoom83, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6I just bought a sony eReader (PRS-505) and the thing is brilliant. Since I live in Australia I can't actually purchase ebooks from the Sony Store, but would likely do so if I could (Till then, I'm limited to gutenberg and torrents).
I used to think eReaders were a stupid idea, favouring paperbacks, however since I bought be eReader I'm a convert. I think once these devices hit the sub-$100 mark they will take off in a big way.
Personally I've always though a Watermark based protection would be far more effective. Watermark each ebook you sell with a the purchasers id number; You can then track torrents, find out who leaked your book, and sue them accordingly. Any DRM will be broken eventually, so why not embrace fate? - dajuggernaut, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5cartman! did you say the f word?
- fkr3, on 12/20/2007, -3/+7DRM-free *could* work if there wasn't an element of society that equates DRM-free as license-free. People on digg of all places were curious as to whether the iTunes Plus tracks could be legally shared since they had no DRM.....
- Vektuz, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6Part of the DRM agreement gives amazon the right to decide not to give your backups to you, and also allows them to retroactively revoke your rights to all your books (without refund) if they see fit to do so.
- cs188, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5Amen to that! The times I've ever bought music from iTunes it's been....a nightmare trying to do ANYTHING with it. Every song is like a 99 cent paperweight.
I recommend boycotting the iTunes music store altogether, or buying iTunes Plus tracks (no DRM, 256kbit quality), if available. And buy from Amazon's MP3 Store instead... - PensiveGoat, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5Isn't it kind of futile to DRM music? Couldn't somebody just attach a recording device to its output and encode it as a .mp3?
I don't think you understand the problem with DRM... - bootup, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Simply don't buy an ebook. Not many people have purchased them to begin with and with books in paper format why bother? If you must read ebooks you can buy the paper copy and download a drm-free format from unofficial places like p2p or by searching the web. This is possibly in violation of copyright law depending on where you live so be aware you might be breaking the law.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3The people who are doing the honest thing and paying for the content get it crippled. Those who are dishonest, on the other hand, have no restrictions at all. No DRM, no matter what, is ever fair.
- ieatsmurfs, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4Part of the point of having an ebook reader is so you store thousands of books in a small easy to store device. Not have a huge bookshelf taking up a whole wall.
- mozillamonks, on 12/20/2007, -6/+8Actually, I'd consider open standards to be HTML, OpenDocument, etc. PDF still has limitations set by Adobe, and PDF can carry DRM. Buyer beware.
- judolphin, on 12/20/2007, -3/+5This is pretty unnecessary; people smart enough to buy eBooks are generally smart enough to use BitTorrent. And Torrents aren't crippled with DRM. No tying down to devices, and you can do whatever you want with them! You can share with your friends, print chapters, read on your laptop, your desktop, your HTPC, your Palm, your Pocket PC, your iPod, your toaster, your water heater...
In short, copyright holders need to learn that if they're going to charge for something, it needs to be better (not worse) than the free version. - ratbear, on 12/20/2007, -5/+7DRM is the new paradigm for ownership of electronic goods. I say quit fighting the inevitable and start working on DRM schemes that are customer friendly. We can make it work, don't tell me that we can't.
- dafuser, on 12/20/2007, -5/+7Not completely true. The Kindel will let you download any books you bought if your original Kindel is stolen, or broken and you buy a new Kindel. The Sony EBook reader comes with software that downloads the books to your PC and then transfers the to the EBook reader. So you can recover your old EBooks without buying them again. But DRM does suck.
- DavidCriswell, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3I think manuelflury was being sarcastic.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2There are quite a few different version of PDF around, the new PDF standard MARS that is being worked on is an openstandard and openstandards based, using XML, PNG's etc... Also has a somewhat mutilated version of SVG
The current PDF is in the process of being iso'd
I actually have 6Gb of Fiction PDF eBooks, thats 12250 books. - Ryosen, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3DRM will never go away and will only continue to be more restrictive and controlling. We have reached a tipping point in society because, as you have pointed out, DRM-free is equated with an unearned sense of entitlement.
- Vektuz, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3Maybe if the content providers created DRM that would let you do anything you should be able to do with your tunes/books/movies, instead of trying to prevent you from fair use...
- Verytastycheese, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2^ Yea what he said. But lets be realistic... we're looking for a LEGAL way to read these, the torrents won't last forever. (So stock up now!!)
I agree though, DRM could be used to license products and curb piracy if they dropped some of the restrictions, and made it super easy to use. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+2This calls for a new super-hero.. "eBook Bob" perhaps?
- digggggggggg, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2You can burn your iTunes songs onto CD's. From what I can tell, you can't ever print out your ebooks. I think that DRM on iTunes is unnecessary and irritating, but I think that it's fair.
DRM on text has different implications than DRM on music. - Verytastycheese, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Proper DRM could totally promote fair use, and then some, embracing the possibilities of the digital age, but it needs to be set up right. First there needs to be a central system / database that won't be taken down when a company goes out of business. You should be able to buy and resell your books/music/movies along with the DRM. You would be able to lend it to your friend for a single view / listen, convert it to a variety of formats for use on all devices (Portable/DVR/computer), and create legitimate backup copies to be licensed when needed.
It could all be beautiful if it were set up right. They just need to stop thinking about stopping piracy and think about how to fully utilize technology to make buying the product more desirable than downloading a torrent.
It CAN be done, I'm sure of it! The only people that are REALLY against this are those who are used to everything being free on the internet the last 10 years and want it to stay that way. Sure, we all do... but how long did you REALLY think that would last? - erichb1, on 12/20/2007, -5/+6The new Kindle solves this because Amazon keeps all your eBooks on Amazon's website. if you want to redownload them after you delete them you can. Also, once the Kindle become outdated, any new device will probably be supported and you can redownload them to the new device.
BTW I hate DRM also, but I want to read on a eBook, so until they do away with DRM, i will put up with my new Kindle, which is great. - pcpimpster, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Haha, thanks for making me laugh.
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -5/+6MOST people have not given it time to sink in, time for the opportunity for it to bite them in the *ss.
How many time do I have to buy the "White Album"? - fryguy1013, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2Plays for Sure? oh wait...
- ratbear, on 12/20/2007, -2/+3Also extremely annoying: Free as in libre, or free as in beer?
- Kolenka, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2The Kindle reads un-DRM'd files you put on it directly (via USB) in TXT or Mobipocket format. You can easily create Mobipocket files for free (although your choices for how to create a Mobipocket eBook are limited).
Aything you send to Amazon to convert contains no DRM and can be read in any Mobipocket-compatible eBook reader.
Most of my eBook content is transcribed versions of books I own hardcopies of. - aerogant, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Yes and looking at my shelves I realize I don't have any more room for them :P.
I want ebooks, and right now publishers want DRM :P. - Verytastycheese, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Because that watermark could be easily removed when the pirates convert it into whatever format they want. Not quite that simple.
- Verytastycheese, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Is this true? Thats a pretty big downside. I can see that being a reason not to buy DRM ebooks... but its still not the reader's fault.
- digggggggggg, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4Well, in the case of the Sony Rootkit CD's, those truly were "Defective by Design".
- dacomputerfreak, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2Dugg up fyngyrz for posting the most ridiculous exaggeration I have seen in some time! All we want is TRUE fair use and open standards, plain and simple. There's always going to be copyright infringers out there, with or without restrictive formats. If DRM didn't exist at all there's a good chance that there would be little to no more piracy than there is right now. Though I agree that banning DRM'd content in our homes would be a step in the right direction, it's just not that simple considering that the average person gives a ***** less if they have rights and freedom stripped from them by big business. In order for DRM to go away, the average consumer would have to educate themselves on the restrictions of DRM and practice good judgement. That will never happen, people have no self control over "wants" and care little about educating themselves. I don't see DRM going away anytime soon.
- dacomputerfreak, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2OCR FTW!
- aerogant, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I hate having to store books, and have to sell them, plus you can't really do that with all books, some books especially technical/computer books become outdated and all you can do is throw them away. ebooks are a convenience, they do cost a little more when you take into account that you can't resell to get some money back, but you pay for the convenience if you are not willing to, it's your choice.
- dannywhite1, on 12/02/2008, -0/+0no DRM
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