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- evocatus, on 06/29/2008, -0/+55nekroskoma : There is no irony here. Before as in after, all actions are in the pure pursuit of a dollar.
Net Neutrality will not be decided on what is right or wrong, but rather sided with those that can best make a buck off the final decision.
It's this very same principle that makes it a criminal offence for me to spy/evesdrop [DPI by ISP AND 3rd contracted partys] on your internet activities, but the entertainment industry can hire 2nd/3rd party surveillance thugs to do it, and it's ~apparently~ perfectly legal ....
You would think that when the entertainment industry takes thier 'evidence' to the judicary, the would immediately be facing criminal charges for unlawful surveillance.... But I digress... - jakash, on 06/30/2008, -3/+57***** DPI! ***** PHORM!
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....................... - nekroskoma, on 06/29/2008, -2/+43i find it ironic that this was created by a ex-spyware company
- zarvensha, on 06/30/2008, -1/+26Lets shut down the Internet now eh?
Deep Packet inspection is just another step to a good old surveillance state where you do one thing they don't like, they kill your connection. And what do they think that will achieve? Oh,cant download BSG in Australia, I'll have to wait till it hits DVD in 12 months and rent it as I cant afford a HIGH DEF TV which is the only free to air broadcast it gets down here.
For ***** sake, do they really believe that cutting off people or shutting them down is going to bring them millions?
Most deluded bunch of ignorant troglodytes since Bush though he could invade Iraq and not worry about what happens after.
PS. And lets just see how many times they get things wrong eh? Crap in a Handbag! What next! - RealmDown, on 06/30/2008, -0/+22When you have to break the law to enforce the law, then the end is near.
- elfguy, on 06/30/2008, -0/+13Every site should be fully available over SSL. It's no longer the case that SSL increases the time to load, as with today's systems it happens instantly. All it takes for a site is to have a unique IP and pay the $29 for an SSL certificate. If every site connection was encrypted, and every email sent PGP encrypted, all monitoring would become useless.
- Vision77, on 06/30/2008, -0/+12Damn.....Can I please get a fast secure darknet? Hell I am willing to donate at this point. Freenet Ants and Waste are all too slow.
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+11Phorm is so massively illegal its not a joke.
Bt et al need to get sued big time for it. - zeabu, on 06/30/2008, -1/+11https
bittorrent with RC4 encryption - busybrain, on 06/30/2008, -0/+8DPI is useless if the packets are encrypted properly.
Those of you who know what you are doing have nothing to worry about.
Those of you who don't, look out The Internets are coming to get you!!! - carpespasm, on 06/30/2008, -0/+8They are still a spyware company. Their software spies on you, therefore it's spyware. They've just been quasi-legitimized.
- aimhelix, on 06/30/2008, -0/+8Might be fun to come up w/software that scrambles your packet sending off fake, useless information if at all that is possible. Something I'd be willing to pay $55 for.
- D4N747, on 06/30/2008, -1/+9The problem is, in part, awareness. Most of the people in the world who use the internet know nothing of issues like this and aren't about to change their online habits for the core crowd (populations of sites like Digg and deeper than that) so companies have a nearly foolproof goldmine. Basically, anyone with some money can claim to operate a business (not even that is needed anymore) and make a boatload of money off things as simple as selling ad spots. DPI is just one step further into being owned by the the proverbial man in the executive office.
- phorty40, on 06/30/2008, -1/+8Net Neutrality ; a topic beknownest to only the most observant internet user at the moment.
It will soon be a global discussion , hopefully sooner than later. - PhilliesBlunt, on 06/30/2008, -0/+7$65 if every fake packet returns goatse.
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+6this pisses me off. no matter what, EVERYTHING will ALWAYS revolve around dp-i mean cash!!
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -1/+71) Stop using P2P. It was never a decent form of data sharing. Instead use an encrypted newsfeed service or use your ISP's newsfeed if it still has one. You can connect to them using SSL on port 443.
https://www.microchp.org/giganews (encrypted redirect)
2) Password protect your files in .rar and give them generic filenames. Encode the description elsewhere or give your friends the .nzb file to download the files on the newsgroups. There will be copies local to them on their ISP if they still support usenet and if not, they can use the previously mentioned providers.
A few more tips and drunken ramblings at https://www.microchp.org/privacy/
- Drizzit, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5Actually DPI probably violates US Wiretap laws. They have no right to listen in on your phone calls, and the same should apply for your internet traffic without a warrant.
So if you're ISP is doing this in the US, go get a lawyer and find out! - philodygmn, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5It's simple: outlaw overselling your bandwidth, just like we should outlaw banks' lending more than they actually hold.
- Khast, on 06/30/2008, -1/+6It isn't going to be the EFF who is going to save us from this. It is going to be geeks, and Open Source programming. Windows has a lot of hidden "features" that nobody knows about. And I am sure Apple does as well. Linux being open source, all these "hidden" features are in the wide open, you can't hide in the shadows of "industry secrets".
I would safely bet, that this DPI will be (if not already) in effect soon. It won't be the little guy who will win. Think of how much money will be invested into this? And then think of how much money there is to gain because of it. Face it, we couldn't win this even if they had their hands tied behind their backs. We have all but decimated "spyware" and if they can do their research without worry of you removing their bots....THAT'S WORTH BILLIONS. The RIAA/MPAA has this everlasting erection about completely stopping the proliferation of entertainment media (Whether it be theirs...or unsigned artists...) THEY want to be the only source of entertainment. What Government wouldn't want to be able to peer into it's people's lives? I mean heck the US government is doing a smash up job with their telecom-immunity crap. (All in the name of [False] Security.)
Anyways, try as we might, we can succeed, but it will take a lot more effort than signing petitions, and sitting on our asses. It will take every bit of effort from us, as we need to out power the billions of dollars they are looking at as a result of this DPI. - JQP123, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5"The other, arguably more sinister usage of DPI, is the growing interest by advertising companies to use deep packet inspection to observe what Internet users are doing."
Q: And who is the largest advertising company?
A: Google.
But Google don't need no stinkin' DPI. Just give people something for "free" (like email or search) and they'll blindly relinguish their privacy in exchange without even bothering to consider the consequences. - earthforce1, on 06/30/2008, -2/+7Workaround for for linux users to avoid comcast/sandvine traffic shaping via phony RSTs:
http://tuxtraining.com/2008/06/21/beating-sandvine ...
You can configure your Linux system to ignore the bogus RST packets on your P2P port. Sorry, windows users are still SOL AFAIK. Mac is unix based, so it might have an iptables equivalent buried somewhere. - zxof, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5the purpose of using encryption is simply to "mask" the bittorrent traffic so it won't be identified by DPI as bittorrent traffic, using strong encryption is like killing a bug with a bomb story.
- klitzbtc, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4It's certainly stronger than leaving it wide open.
- tripledjr, on 06/30/2008, -2/+6That's what SHE said.
- JohnLawson, on 06/30/2008, -1/+5Disgusting and typical. The ISP not holding up their promise. Saying they'll improve infrastructure when all they are doing is destroying it. The funny thing is... Is that when the usage of dpi is outlawed and they buy all this equipment specifically for it. We are going to be stuck flipping the bill with higher prices and better still. Is that the ISP's will spin it like they are the victim.
- Beanbones, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4"Do they really believe that cutting off people or shutting them down is going to bring them millions?"
Yes, yes they do think that. And unfortunately, I believe they're right. - DigitAl56K, on 06/30/2008, -1/+5Why RC4? It's not very strong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC4
Check the "Security" section and even the introductory paragraph. - Bmarofsky, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Pretty soon everyone will be using VPNs and those will get regulated.
- voodoochild461, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Fight the power!
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4giganews uses SSL. I pull about 10GB a day from them. It isn't as anonymous as freenet in terms of posting, but its really fast.
For anonymous, password protect your .rar uploads and give them generic names and encode the description. - Beanbones, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4$100 if the software finds a way to relay the reaction on the other end back to me.
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Hiding anything actually. So are we a member of the RIAA using CP as a means to paint an image? I could think of far more effective psychological tactics.
Anyway, I doubt the members of digg are as dumb as you believe they are. - inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Lets break away and start our own private internet, let them destroy this one, we will start over new.
- LVsFINEST, on 07/01/2008, -0/+4You mean like digg? Digg transmits the logins credentials (username and password) in clear text. Anybody sitting in between digg's servers and your computer can potentially obtain this information via packet sniffing. Somebody having your digg un/pw doesn't seem like a big deal but it can be. I know people that use the same password for everything.
- zeabu, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4There are 5 bikes on the street, all the same kind of value. One is not locked, which one will a thief take?
- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -0/+3I know... but someone has to help these people. I understand fodder is required, but there will always be people using P2P out of ignorance so I am not too concerned.
Usenet was already put in the limelight by the Verizon, RoadRunner and CableOne "censoring" which was really just them not wanting to have the liabilities and extra hardware. They were dumb to do so since it will increase their peering bandwidth utilization. - tj111, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3More people need to start using Tor, and not just using it, but sharing the connection. It would eliminate things such as this, but currently the shared bandwidth is pretty low.
- xino, on 06/30/2008, -1/+4We could also just stop using the Internet and then there is nothing any ISP can do against us, but that doesn't mean it's worth considering.
- Mr_Lyle, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3Dude, rule number one...
- ktetch, on 06/30/2008, -2/+5what a GREAT idea, shame it doesn't work
In case you'd missed it, a RST is sent to you AND to the other end. Doesn't matter if you ignore them, the other side would have to ignore them as well. chance of that = SMALL
If you don't know, don't comment. - Beanbones, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3Beanbones' life lesson #4: It's all about dollars and sense.
- Panda200x, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/
I suggest you sign that. (UK) - JohnLawson, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3I Agree. It is all about power, but I think we have already lost and we need to wrestle the power back from them...
thumbs up for the statement though. - inactive, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2@xino: I don't understand your logic, even if sarcastic. You don't need P2P to share files. It has never been needed. There always have and always will be ways to share files anonymously over high speed servers and networks. You can bypass all filters imposed by your local ISP when using standard SSL encrypted NNTP traffic. They won't block access to such sites, as they would be sued by both their own customers and by the news sites.
- inactive, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Encrypting P2P doesn't make sense. You are still peering with people you don't know and thus the data needed to identify what you are sharing will be available to your peers, including the nodes owned by the RIAA/MPAA. Your peering nodes have to be able to decrypt the data.
The only solution for that problem is to use something like onion routing (see freenet) but that is too slow for most impatient kiddies. - LadiesMan0217, on 07/01/2008, -0/+2Women don't have adams apples?
- DigitAl56K, on 06/30/2008, -1/+3None of these comments make any sense.
If you're going to mask the traffic with encryption you might as well design the thing with a strong algorithm. It doesn't cost you anything except a few extra CPU cycles and it will be resilient years into the future.
Let's not make another WEP where it works for a few months and then everyone needs to do a protocol redesign/reimplementation, having to deal with older clients that can't handle the new standard, etc. etc.
That's where the cost is, even today - dealing with older, inferior clients. - inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2"If this becomes a popular view, though, we may see multi-part rar files in torrents growing in popularity again."
You mean this ridiculous practice isn't widespread enough already?? - phorty40, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2i believe were technically on the ropes , in a downward spiral if you will.
Yet we still have the warez community , so we still have some leverage.
We can still bite back , but each day our bite is getting weaker and weaker.
The day they fully regulate the internet we will have lost. -
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