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DVD licensing group to vote on closing copying loophole

arstechnica.com — In response to a courtroom setback in March, the DVD Copy Control Association is planning a vote on an amendment to the CSS license that would prevent licensees from selling devices that can copy DVDs and store encrypted images on home media servers. The CEO of Kaleidescape, which prevailed against the DVD CCA in court, is crying foul.

Who dugg this? Made popular Nov 5, 2007

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  • fantasticjon, on 11/08/2007, -1/+80The MPAA is retarded. Millions of people already do this illegally. They are suing the only company that is actually paying for it.
    Hey Hollywood, here is a crazy idea, distribute your content quickly, easily and at a fair price.
  • akkibaba, on 11/06/2007, -0/+54So you want to pay once for digital media and then play it back on whatever device you want? Sheer madness!
  • h3smith, on 11/06/2007, -1/+43I buy the DVD I will do what I want with it. I god damned hate it when they put those "anti-piracy" commercials you can't skip through in the beginning of DVD's I coughed up $20 for.
  • swordedge, on 11/06/2007, -6/+40Don't think of Aliens.... Opps you just did, you owe the MPAA $5. You thought of the three sequels? Oh No, you owe them $15 now.
  • nsfw1, on 11/06/2007, -2/+26What is this Kaleidescape thing? My modded xbox with xbmc does the same thing and I did it all for like $200.
  • hexydes, on 11/06/2007, -1/+23Argh, this is the end of piracy!

    ;)
  • donte, on 11/06/2007, -0/+20True. But I'm not allowed to make a backup copy of my DVD in case my poorly produced first copy gets scratched (I'm expected to buy a whole new copy which by then is probably the super-ultimate-platinum-$10-more version). I'm not allowed to rip the disc to my media server and watch it from any of my frontend machines. I also have to make sure I have certain not-free software installed on my computer if I want to watch *the actual disc* in my computer in the first place. Want to watch it on your iPod? No sir. Most of the complaint is about the fact that after I purchase ownership of the disc there are laws that tell me I'm not allowed to use the disc/content for whatever I want even if it's still for my own personal use.

    Also, just because it's cheaper than going to the movies, that doesn't make it a fair price. Most movies aren't worth the $20-$25 price tag that is put on the DVD.
  • carnag3aus, on 11/06/2007, -6/+25***** THE MPAA!
  • indyGuy, on 11/06/2007, -3/+18Yeah, except, at home, I'm not watching it on a massive screen with amazing sound. I'm more likely to be watching it on a crap tv or my ipod...
  • matrox212, on 11/06/2007, -2/+16You broke the DMCA twice to do that (once to mod the Xbox and then to circumvent CSS). The Kaleidescope box did it "legally".
  • philba, on 11/07/2007, -2/+16no, as the article says, this is anti Kaleidescape. The DVD license has a huge error in it - nowhere does it say the disc has to be present to play the movie. Preetty smart for a bunch of lawyers - heh heh heh Kaleidescape built a client server product that rips and then plays the DVDs with out them being present. Too bad the cheapest version is about $17K - especially since there is about $300 worth of hardware in it.
  • tavisjohn, on 11/06/2007, -2/+14Then just use DVD Shrink to remove those annoying things! Problem solved. ;)
  • matrox212, on 11/06/2007, -0/+11@h3smith

    I think every reasonable consumer agrees with you. The problem is, we bitch about it on forums and don't write Congressman or boycott studios that try to sue companies that let us do that. We have to be louder than the lobbyists if we want any kind of consumer protection in this country.
  • inactive, on 11/06/2007, -0/+10I have The Pirate Bay open in another window and this article is barely holding my attention.
  • bodger, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10DVD licensing group to vote on whether to make their product less useful.
  • Ajajadude, on 11/07/2007, -0/+9Didn't they, at on point, allow for "backing up" your media, legally?
  • DangerMouse9, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9I find those "anti-piracy" commercials hilarious when watched on a pirated dvd.
  • h3smith, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10It makes me want to pirate the media to spite them :)
  • Aiwanei, on 11/06/2007, -1/+9actually fair use law allows you to make a personal back up copy incase something happens to your original copy. The problem is that stripping the CSS (which is required to rip a DVD) is illegal under the DMCA so while you can make a legal personal backup copy the methods to actual create this backup copy will break the law.
  • logicalnoise, on 11/06/2007, -2/+9fair-use overides the FBI warning as long as you don't extend past the boundaries of fair use your fine as long as your don't break the DRM.
  • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -2/+9only difference is the 2 people will see the movie once, and it will be months ahead of the time the person buying the dvd.
  • ryanadc, on 11/06/2007, -2/+9If you mean copying protected, copyrighted DVDs on your DVD burner on your PC, that's illegal already, at least here in the US. This is in response to some special (and expensive) server that you can buy and legally rip copies of the DVDs to. This happened due to the Big Media forgetting to include everything in their license agreement with Kaleidescape, the company which makes the product.
  • amire80, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Is this the MPAA?
    Or is this the RIAA?
    Or is this the DMCA?
    I thought it was the USA.
  • delta013, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6"It's like trying to close the barn door after the horses have left—and been replaced by the automobile."

    Great analogy by Ars.
  • Chaoticfist, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6lmao if they think this in any way possible can have any affect og piracy then they are nuts. Really people even if they do make it illagal nothing will stop people from doing what they want to.
  • PiGuy, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6While I'm not for piracy, going after Kaleidescape is a stupid move for both obvious common sense reasons and financial ones.

    The people who purchase these system ($15k+) are the people who have money to spend and just want stuff to work. They could care less about stealing a movie that costs $15. They'll buy hundreds of DVDs at a time and have them all ripped to their library at once. Terrible move.
  • armour, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6Well now that the horse is out of the barn it’s a perfect time to close the gate. Don’t they get it by now? The more difficult they make it for consumers who are buy the products the more they drive people to piracy. Why do they continue to show so much contempt towards us the end consumer? Why do they hate us so much yet want out $$ yet we act like sheep and let them dictate how and what we can do in our own homes with the media we buy.
  • scrytch, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6Because once the law is changed - ANY software or hardware device that lets you rip DVD's will be a target, and any chance for the right to fair use to work for us in the future gets harder. And don't for one second think this only effects US citizens - with the US Australia Free Trade Agreement in place, you're laws are gonna screw us too.

    Regards,
    Shane.
  • MxM111, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5and **AA in general!
  • gamelord12, on 11/06/2007, -2/+7But everyone HAS to break DRM in order to back up a DVD that you legally purchase. Has there been a Supreme Court-level case (one that can be used as federal law precedent) that says that you're not allowed to back up your own DVDs to your computer?
  • jcannonb, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6Dbl ***** them right in the ass!
  • mulicheng, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5I have my opinions about the MPAA (and RIAA as well). I agree with all of you about anti-copy protection, fair use etc.

    Really though, I haven't purchased a DVD for quite some time. The kicker for me isn't all the dumb laws and crappy technology. It's the fact that my children destroy DVDs a lot easier than they do tapes. Now if I was able to make a backup copy and use that to play instead.....
  • inactive, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4My media center box with anydvd and nero recode does it for a lot less. MyMovies2 makes them blend beautifully with media center. This is of course for storing and viewing my non-copywrited dvds.
  • Hawking, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4NoooOoooOoooooO! Now I'll have to learn to be a ninja. :(
  • bightchee, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7SMS on PS2 works well for me.
  • logicalnoise, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5as long as you don't hack or break drm to do it you can back up your media legally.
  • EntangledPhysx, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3not with politicians in the pockets of the MPAA
  • ConceptJunkie, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3In other news, the genie has been order back into his bottle. From his palacial vacation house in Maui the genie was quoted as saying, "Yeah, whatever."
  • mabhatter, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2this is a contractual rule not the law. The law only applies because of the DMCA making it totally illegal for customers to do this. There was a contractual loop hole that didn't forbid one to load the DVD into "storage" to be replayed later. This company is not at fault contractually because they have a valid DVD CSS license to build this and maintain the CSS encryption thru the internals, you can't use their machine to pirate the disks.

    If this loophole got let go, it would free the way for Apple to push for a DVD version of ripping to iTunes as long as they maintain copy protection.. they could then debate what was proper protection and not the blanket restriction on ripping. I'd be happy with ripping to iTunes and have no need at all for DeCSS to get movies put on the PC or iPods.
  • hilandhall, on 11/06/2007, -2/+4too little too late.
  • solid12345, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3I don't see how people think of this as an attack on consumers. What consumer is planning to mass rip 500 dvd's at one time on a 27,000 dollar machine and upload them to a server for "personal backup"?
  • Eccles, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2On the contrary. This will make piracy *more* likely. I deal fairly with people who deal fairly with me.
  • macslut, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2This is so friggin' stupid. The sole reason why I would buy many DVDs today would be to transfer the content to other devices for viewing.
  • CraigJ, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Handbreak FTW!
  • astrotrain, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2"Yous take some boiled potatoes see, and fire them at them in the ass with a tennis ball machine..."
    -The Jerky Boys: The Movie
  • armour, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2So let me get this straight a process of making DVD cost less over all then the process of creating VHS tapes when DVD and VHS were side by side DVD were at a higher cost. Once the Production of VHS had ceased and it was strictly DVD’s which brings the cost down further and the unified release dates on Tuesdays reducing shipping ect. DVD should have cost less then VHS did but the price increased and increased faster then the rate of inflation for a product. So YES people want a fair priced product.
  • xino, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2True, but in the past few years I have talked to people say it costs more and when I ask them about the pricing, they always add the cost of the food and drinks they buy to the ticket price and refuse to separate the two simply because they absolutely refuse to see a movie in theater without buying food and drinks.
  • mabhatter, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2but the kaleidoscope box properly maintains CSS encryption on the stored copy. Because they have a DVD license, they can do that. They are not "ripping" the disks like we do, they are properly mirroring, and properly decoding the movies, maintaining all the proper DRM along the way.

    In short they are following the letter of the media's rules and selling what the customers want!! OMG!!!! If what they did held up in court, Apple could allow this for DVDs.. say compress them into iTunes tied to Apple's DRM or such in place of CSS. Then it could be LEGAL to place shift your movies without pesky DMCA problems. There's no way in hell the suits would allow that, this only shows they'll cut their nose off to spite their face.
  • ConceptJunkie, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Louder, and richer.
  • CanNot, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Nero 7 Ultra Edition asks me if I was to rip DVDs to my HD everytime I put one in.
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