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- SteveR4376, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Just like with every other method of copy protection, it will only inconvenience the honest consumer. Bootleggers and pirates will see it as just a speed-bump. When will these corporate ***** finally get it?
- ZenPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Each year, studios lose up to one billion dollars through the digital hole. We created RipGuard DVD to help you get most of it back."
.....riiiight. I hope it actually works. Then when they are *still* losing money hand over fist they will look in the mirror and face the actual problems. - lightningrod220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The only way to protect a film from being copied is to never create the film in the first place.
- teckjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So the only question is what programs are the 3%?
- LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yea lol. my philosophy on this is if a player can read it, so can a ripper.
The real question that these people should be asking is what is prompting piracy or even the use of these tools?
I'd say high prices, restricted use, and drm to lock it down. had the price been cut in half and the content not been restricted [for fair use rights and uses] then the issue would be alot less prevailent!
look at allofmp3.com for example, it has low low prices and no drm. a music shopper's dream! i gave up p2p for this! i love my 18 cent 320 kbit mp3 more than my cheap quality 96 kbit p2p mp3 or my overpriced 128 kbit drm raped itunes m4a. Even if prices doubled at that site, id still use it. now if it became astronomically high then i'd reconsider it.
a lil off topic here, but i wonder when there will be a service like aomp3 that sells movies by the mb for cheap, because id use it just to spite the mpaa! - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Paging DVDJon, DVDJon you're needed in this digg thread. Thanks.
- MrShoop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hey ripguardwas released in February of __2005___!!! Note the "5", This story is a year old, and ripguard has been cracked for over a year. get this off the homepage! :)
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does this mean that 97% of all DVD players will also be unable to read the discs?
- elook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Unless you can promise 100% protection against ripping, your product is useless. The site actually tells customers that 3% of rippers out there will walk right in and copy the disc! A total solution to piracy this is not.
As mentioned above, it's a speedbump at best. - ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Each year, studios lose up to one billion dollars through the digital hole." so what we've done is something that will stop home consumers from using their purchases to their maximum ability...however it wont stop people who steal prints and make bootlegs, nor will it stop people making rips from screeners, nor will it convince people that there is anything worth seeing the theatres!
just give it up!! - Shrill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just use the 3% of the programs that do work... sorted.
- supa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1bring it
- DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This can't be a new encryption method, because that would make the DVDs incompatible with all DVD players on the market. No, what this is most likely is a rootkit, which is triggered if your Windows operating system is set to autorun a DVD when it's inserted into your computer's DVD drive."
Good thinking, but inaccurate. There are plenty of things you can do to a DVD that will work in a regular DVD player but not necessarily on a computer. This is based on the way regular DVD players will read the disc. Take as a related example the method by which copy-protected audio CD's work: The discs do not conform to the audio CD spec, containing purposefully incorrect error correction codes, table of contents, file system structures and so forth. The computer will fail to read the disc because it tries to read these elements and fails or is intentionally misguided by them, but a CD player (most CD players) doesn't contain the logic to deal with these parts of the disc and so plays normally. The same can be done with DVDs by knowing how 95% of the players out there *actually* play the disc, you can carefully manipulate the disc structure so that computers and/or rippers will fail.
Rootkits are, of course, another option. - shobirama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How recently did they "just create this"? Slysoft's AnyDVD has been dealing with this protection since they came out with it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1""Each year, studios lose up to one billion dollars through the digital hole. We created RipGuard DVD to help you get most of it back."
.....riiiight. I hope it actually works. Then when they are *still* losing money hand over fist they will look in the mirror and face the actual problems."
Exactly. I wish there was some DRM that actually worked so these studios and record labels would shut up. When copying is impossible and people *still* aren't buying your cookie cutter over-produced crap, what are you going to say then? - UnivrslMnstr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This doesn't look like another encryption technology, but rather something that blocks ripping. My guess is it's some sort of rootkit that attempts to disable ripping software. Take a look at that "Certified Spyware Free" logo.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1similar to what adamcurtis said in his post.
You can only change it so much without making it unplayable in DVD players... - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Macromedia will laugh all the way to the bank. And probably make us a better flash player that doesn't hog so many resources for the money. I like it."
It's Macrovision, not Macromedia. Two different companies entirely. :o - OAKsider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm just mad that Macrovison will be -raking it in- with this new " technology ".
As said before, it will be ZERO days before most regulars can rip these " protected " DVDs,
because of the three percent of rippers Macrovison allowed. Dumb but Dugg. ;p - ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0im going to agree with Dvorak. They're going to make it illegal to listen, or in this case watch.
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It's actually 97% by market share. That means that 97% of *people who use rippers* will be defeated by Ripguard, not 97% of ripping programs."
Whatever, that is an impossiblle selling figure, and a lie. - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll go -30days, yep thrity days ago, when the guy who invented the technology made oodles of cash selling the encryotion method, so that some a-hole can put it in a program that is "garanteed" to crack the code of the "new" encryption!
- locojones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The problem with this scheme of protection is that it is directed at the consumers who are, by definition, not the major source of piracy in the market. Pirates inevitably get their material from inside jobs - whether it be obtaining screener discs from reviewers, having movie theater employees allow them to set up camera equipment in the booth, or even master recordings of the disc before it goes to pressing. At each of these stages, DRM isn't present, and so those copies will continue to go unencumbered to the market.
If they think they will recoup their investments by preventing a person from ripping a copy of Duece Bigolow 2 from Blockbuster and putting it up for share, they're sorrily mistaken. And it just goes to show how little they understand what piracy really means and where it's coming from. - CompIsMyRx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No spyware eh? This is a direct quote from the testers that certified this spyware free:
"PC Tools is not responsible for software publishers adding extra functionality or spyware to their software following PC Tools testing. PC Tools does not continually monitor software publishers' products to determine whether they are spyware free." - ctheory, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wonder who takes the ***** that stirs up when the "unbreakable protection!" gets cracked.
Monday morning: "So Jim, did you read Digg this weekend?"
"No, I was rather busy on my boat....what's up?"
"Well, the short is...you suck. Sorry." - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Corporate Esoionage is the most lucritive business in most countries today.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"im going to agree with Dvorak. They're going to make it illegal to listen, or in this case watch."
It does seem counterintuitive to STOP people from seeing something they might buy.
ITMS selling a billion songs is proof positive that many (most?) people will play along with the copyright scheme.
The **AA's motivation is greed and nothing else. - cdreiling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would assume that Russia (miscellaneous surrounding countries) and China is where the bulk of pirating takes place. However I think price over quality wins in the end in that market. Video-Out to Video-In, press record.
By the time a film leaves the theater in foreign markets the production and advertising had been paid for several times over. Any ancillary sales like DVD is a butt load of lovely almost all profit cash. Charging 24 dollars for something that cost a dollar makes a lot of profit. The industry trying to prevent pirates in china by selling DVDs in all the beautiful packaging for 3 dollars. (http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/05may/medi_piracy.htm) Seems the people still prefer to buy the dollar pirated DVD for a buck.
I would gladly pay 3 bucks for a DVD rather than spend the 5 days to download something that was poorly ripped and is glitchy in my dvd player. Much like the recording industry their own greed has caused them to fail. Unlike the music industry they are loosing surplus profit that they never had 30 years ago. Anything they do will be too little and too late. - freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and in other news, the new macrovision encryption is cracked...
sorry, im a couple of days early w/ that news, but you get the idea - t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good move. All that's going to happen is that people will suddenly use the 3% of the DVD rippers that can do it. And the other 97% of DVD rippers will then figure out how the 3% does it, and we'll be back to square one.
- anarchy99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mactheripper works on ripguard stuff atleast for me
this is nothing new and is not a threat - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Without hardware support, all this kind of protection can be ripped. Lucky for us, the hardware manufacturers have no intention to sabotage their sales by crippling their products. Perhaps Sony might want to, because of its media holdings, but no one else.
- Jamezes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you can see it, it can be ripped. Period.
- DarkerMaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This isn't going to stop ppl from ripping DVDs.there is only one copy protection system that has and still is able to do that(Starforce, and that would require that all DVD players have a connection to the Internet). what is stopping me from burning a bit for bit copy of the DVD...some stupid rootkit? well i betcha linux could burn a copy of it no problem thanks to all of the crap that is made windows only.
- brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just wanna remind you guys that it took years for the original dvd encryption to be cracked and that was only because some software company left some debug information in one of its programs by mistake. Encryption done RIGHT with the proper keylength is unbreakable. Don't underestimate these guys. They have a tonne of money and can afford the best minds.
- SharkyTech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What a load of crap on the part of Macrovision. They might be able to churn out all sorts of ninety-sumthing percents, but until they get a 100% protection the scheme is completely useless. That 3% and its ripping techniques will soon propagate to 100% of the ripping population.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So when I can no longer buy a DVD, rip it to play on my PC, TiVo, WinCE, Phone, Gameboy, etc. Then what do they think I will do?
Turns out I'll start looking for downloads of the content instead of buying it myself....
No doubt it is a pain to search for the files, wait days to get it, monkey with different codecs, convert it to what I need. But if they lock me out, what choice will I have! - AaronD12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+00SEx for Mac OS X is one of the 3%.
- DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dammit why doesn't Digg let you delete your own comments. Sorry guys, wrong topic.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0See, this sort of thing is what movie companies don't seem to understand.
People who rip their own DVD's *are not pirates*. They are likely ripping the DVD in order to, say, put the movie on an iPod. Or to put it on their computer so they can watch it from any room in their house. Or other totally legitimate and valid uses.
The "pirates" aren't buying your movie in the first place. That's what makes them pirates! Stopping people from ripping your movie doesn't inconvienence pirates one bit, the pirate just goes online and downloads the ripped movie from that 3% of people who were able to rip it.
Technology that prevents fair use *encourages* piracy. - codyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DVD Fab Decrypter will probably bypass this in a week
- scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Over 6 million households use DeCSS rippers around the globe, and this phenomenon is approaching mass-market critical mass."
that's nothing. What percent of the marketshare on DVDs is 6 million? - TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This can't be a new encryption method, because that would make the DVDs incompatible with all DVD players on the market. No, what this is most likely is a rootkit, which is triggered if your Windows operating system is set to autorun a DVD when it's inserted into your computer's DVD drive.
Word of advice: You should deactivate Windows from autorunning ANYTHING (whether it is an audio CD or DVD) that is inserted into your computer. I would highly suggest that Mac users switch off auto-running too. - DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also, Ripguard is now a year old.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hackers to the rescue! We're counting on you dvdjon!
- superrice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Agreed. People will always find away around it. Always have and always will.
If anything, some of us should get together and create our own encryption system, Sell it to these companies for millions if not billions, and then make some claim that it works 99% of the time. Who's in with me? - penguindude15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But what if you don't run windows? Would the pirates just be able to use a Mac or Linux computer?
http://digg.com/security/Homeland_Security_official_suggests_outlawing_rootkits
If it is a root kit then it might be outlawed soon. - INHUMANITY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As the others have mentioned AnyDVD has taken care of any protection DVDShrink couldn't handle alone. I always have AnyDVD running as the feature of getting rid of the stupid FBI and Interpol warnings is awesome. My DVD's go straight to the menu which I love.
There are some discs that AnyDVD and DVDShrink can't handle. I'll try DVD Decrypter which will usually work. On the last few titles like The Skeleton Key and Hitch Decrypter didn't work, so I used DVDFabExpress. Fab works on ANYTHING I've thrown at it that the other titles wouldn't work with. - kotatsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I ripp CDs to put them onto my iPod, and I do the same with DVDs. Why is one somehow acceptable, but the other not?
It's ridiculous. These companies are run by idiots. Hopefully this will be cracked the day after it's released so I can keep feeding my iPod with content I have the legal rights to use. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I'm starting a pool, how long from point this gets into the wild until is defeated in a real world way? I'm taking 5 days.
posted by breakneckridge (2) "
Well, you're wrong, the correct answer is 0 days, since even Macrovision says that 3% of rippers can bypass it anyway. Somehow movie studios will shell out millions to to Macrovision anyway, because we all now that's worth 3 days of people not being to rip DVDs. -
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