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- lordtyros, on 10/10/2007, -8/+70Nah, DRM will be around. It's not all evil, contrary to internet belief. DRM is fine for rentals (e.g., Netflix Watch @ Home, Zune Pass). But DRM is and should be losing ground in the area of paid goods. If I buy a cd, I should be allowed to do what I want with it. It's mine. If I'm merely renting, I'm fine with you protecting what's yours.
- justinjstark, on 10/10/2007, -1/+30Apple is not included? It sounds like they are going after the old, "We tried it but the consumer didn't want it." excuse.
- Rayeth, on 10/10/2007, -5/+29This is one of the most sane and level-headed responses I've ever seen on Digg.
- tnoy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21I love the fact that DRM enables digital rentals. I'm all for eliminating it from purchased media, but I just hope it sticks around for those of us to make good use of it.
- RogerStrong, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15We still have a way to go to kill the DRM in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.
- ekrabs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15It's time to take DRM off life-support and let it rest in peace for good.
- chalkboy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I can only access an ipod with iTunes. That sounds like drm to me
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Hey MacParrot, let me know when you can buy songs and videos on iTunes and put them on a different player without stripping the DRM. Neoform: a lot of us point out Apple's DRM because it's the fanboys who love to hypocritically harp on the DRM of other companies while pretending or diverting attention away from the fact that Apple employs DRM as well.
- Drizzit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7That's the problem. The IRAA and MPAA have alluded to the fact that we do not buy their products. They are licensed to us. Sounds just like renting.
- wonderchemist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Because Universal CEO thinks Universal is owed a share of iPod sales revenue and Apple won't give in to his demands.
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Digging him down for needlessly bringing politics into a nonpolitical story? What madness!
- 1nquisitor, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10DRM is a pain. I don't like it.
- astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9The problem is getting it to users who use itunes, yahoo music, etc, that they are only "renting" the muisc which they think they paid for for their .99 cents.
- aahpandasrun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6what would you want to have?
A Restriced version you have to pay for
A Unrestricted version for free
I find it amazing they went this long with DRM - astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Just don't buy them.. if everyone just stops buying DRM infested music... that will kill the business for sure.
- justinjstark, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Oops. Sorry, double post. Digg me down.
- 10001, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I'm NOT spending a cent on music raped into MP3.
I want studio quality sound.
I'll pay for FLAC. - drogers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5That's the point - Universal is setting itself up for failure by ingoring the online music store that outsells the rest of them put together. This way they can say 'Look - we sold more DRM'd music (via ITMS - but they'll not mention that part) in the 90 day test than un-DRM'd - people want DRM!'
- Balanced, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Actually, i don't believe you can use iTunes Music Store "regular" songs in GarageBand.
I'm not sure about the new 'iTunes Plus" songs butt hey should be fine and do work in any music player that plays AAC format songs... Which is many of them. - MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is nonsense. Of the millions of computers that are bought (pre-made) each year, what percentage of them are EVER opened up to have components changed beyond adding more RAM (a higher percentage than most upgrades) or swapping out a hard drive (lower percentage than RAM would be my guess). There are enough people that do more than that to make it worth the while of the NewEggs or Tiger Directs to sell them, but most computers are bought, connected, and then sit there until a new one is purchased. Apple knows this and also knows that the enthusiest/ hobbiest aren't going to buy a Mac. So they don't make most of their computers for them.
And no, no matter how many times you say it, it's not the same thing thing as iTunes. - lordtyros, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The new iMacs support HDCP
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Balanced,
You are correct and I was wrong about GarageBand playing DRMed iTunes songs. - astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Too late for the music labels, they can take their DRM infested music and shove it up their ass.
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yeah, as a neat little smokescreen. The difference is just about unnoticable. Explain why I can't get a DRM-free song at the regular bitrate for 99 cents.
- colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Because Apple has their DRM-less version of the iTunes Music Store that EMI has been selling tracks through?
- starbird, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You know, I am in that "gun-shy" categorey. I haven't bought any DRM laden items from iTunes since they began the DRM free versions. I add a lot to my cart, currently up to about $120 worth, but it will sit there until they are DRM free. A few items I actually bit the bullet and bought the CD. I listen to 99% of my music on my iPod, and the iTunes tracks sound fine on it, so the extra possibility of lossless, etc doesn't matter to me. And the reason I don't but now is that I tend to but the album, and since album prices are the same as the DRM versions were, but if you buy a DRM one you need to pay more to get DRM free (which I did for the Skids), and I won't do that.
- foxhoundadmin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3wow... diggers sure have gotten A LOT dumber lately. i mean, i had to scroll halfway down the page to find justinjstark's comment when it's what i was thinking all along! i can't say i'm surprised it took the digg community a while to realize what universal is doing by not including apple. thanks, justin, for explaining it to people. i was sitting here banging my goddamn head on my desk just WAITING for somebody to say what you did! *phew*
btw, i know it's been a while... a LONG while, and i know this is a BIT off topic, but WTF is up with digg sorting comments by most diggs by default? also, WTH don't they let you reply to comments when they're sorted this way!? reddit is coming out with a new design, and i, for one, hope it's NOTHING like digg!
i just wanted to get that off my chest. :P - archer75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I don't think he thought they would listen. More of a PR stunt than anything. Apple has been approached in the past by independent labels who asked apple to sell their music without DRM. Apple refused.
- nullcodes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think the music companies want to eliminate Apple in the middle. So that they themselves, or other vendors can sell their music. They must think they're losing a lot of money by not having the CD stores market their stuff and want to allow third parties to make money selling music. Think about it .. radio stations probably market the most music .. yet when people go out and buy a CD the money doesnt get to them except via payola or indirect round about ways. I am not saying they're right, but I think they don't want to be dependent on one outlet for their music sales, maybe they want radio stations/bloggers/podcasters etc. to be better able to sell music .. I guess music radios will need "buy this song" features.
As for what I'll do when DRM is finally gone ? I know it's not good to dredge up the past, but I'll be sure to digg it up when it's dead. - LeeVal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Why is Universal refusing to try this on iTunes, it has the biggest market share for downloaded music.
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Tell me when I can:
(a) Buy a copy of OS X from an Apple store, go home, and install it on my non-Macintosh without modiying it
(b) Buy an Intel Mac without a TPM chip.
When I can do both of those, then Apple won't be supporting DRM. - colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I sounds more like Universal didn't want to include Apple. Do you seriously think that Apple wouldn't want to stay competitive with the other music stores?
- cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Sounds like the standard software license model applied to digital media. A model which, IIRC, was originally inspired by the traditional book publishing industry.
Even when you have purchased the physical media, the publisher/creator retains the rights to copy and distribute their work. It used to cost too much to easily copy a book yourself, rather than simply buying another copy from the publisher; jsut as it used to be too costly to cut your own vinyl record, or produce your own feature film.
Technology has caught up to the point where some people (the majority of the population is either without broadband or without sufficient computing power) can now easily and cheaply copy content, now that the barriers to easy copying had been surpassed. That does not mean the business model that was used previously has been surpassed, but now people
are more on their honor to respect copyrights, and the media companies are panicking just like they did for every other shift in universal media in the past. - omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah, at a higher price and used the higher bitrate as a convenient excuse. Explain to me why I can't get a DRM-free EMI song for 99 cents at the regular bitrate.
- Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Some people prefer to actually pay for their music when it's available at a reasonable price and without unreasonable restrictions on its use.
- FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3If you use iTunes, and you've bought stuff from it, you're using Apple's very own DRM protected format, AC3. Why don't you look into the technology behind your dummy-proof computer before you start acting smug about it.
- Travelsonic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Until you remember the odds of getting caught, which are still EXTREMELY small if you pirate the right way. People don't, and get caught.
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You know what I'm talking about. This is a TECH story first and foremost. This is not the same politics as Republicans vs. Democrats, Bush, Ron Paul and the like. Keep all that crap in the political section, thank you.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Album from iTunes with DRM. Most are $9.99. Album from EMI (without DRM) on iTunes. Most are $9.99
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The higher price of DRM-less content is the carrot to the DRM stick.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2More power to Universal if they get this scheme to work, but the truth is Apple supplied the hardware, programmers, seed money, developed software (iTunes) that runs seamlessly, that is, they did all the hard work, now Universal wants to piggyback on their success and get a piece of the iPOD profit. Sorry dudes, it doesn't work that way. They're lucky that Apple was able to come up with a viable alternative to piracy. No one else in the industry could do it.
- TRENT310, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3That's because without HDCP, content won't be output at all. And if they tried selling a product with that circumvented, the other companies which are advocating DRM will be on Apple's back.
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Hmm, you could also say the same thing about the Zune Store, but you people *love* to bash them about DRM.
- darkalias, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Apple was not in the same position before iTunes. At that time, the online music market was next to nonexistent. Apple was first in entering this market with great products: iPod and iTMS. Easy to understand and fun to use. Now if Universal would create something even bigger than that, too good, and I hope it's like that. But one can really expect only this: Universal will sell not too many songs online outside of the iTMS. Maybe in four or five years, who knows, but leaving out iTunes until then clearly is a bad business decision.
- 10001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2DRM vs not drm is not quite right. this is:
--quote--
People only pirate(d) MP3s because they were free. Low quality was an acceptable trade off for ZERO cost. Low quality is NOT acceptable for any "low" amount of money.
--/quote-- - FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Actually, Apple's pre-built computers that aren't really all that user serviceable are indeed a form of hardware DRM. If the consumer can't change out the parts inside, it's the same thing as if they can't use their music from iTunes on other music players.
- davidrools, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2RTFA
- 10001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They'll need a separate license for each ass
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Depends where you live. Most of us aren't American.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't bash Microsoft about DRM on the Zune. They have no choice and neither does Apple. My complaints about the Zune Marketplace is the points method for buying content. Always a few points left after you buy something when you're forced to buy them at 400 point blocks. It's free money for Microsoft for as long as those points sit in your account. Not so much for the individual, butmultiply that by hundreds of thousands of Zune owners and now it's real money.
iTunes gift card work in a similar fashion, except you're not forced to buy them for paid content. Whatever the price of the song or video you buy from iTunes is the price you pay with nothing left over. -
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