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- p0ss, on 10/10/2007, -4/+87and so they should.
- NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -2/+82Um, no. DRM angers consumers, period. The whole idea of it basically means they're assuming I'm going to do something with their content that I'm "not supposed" to do. And then they turn around and decide what I'm "not supposed" to do with the content. The only thing the law says I'm not allowed to do with it (barring DMCA *****, which is antithetical to existing laws) is distribute copies without permission. DRM hurts those of us who want the freedom with the content we paid for to watch it where and when we want to. Everyone else has already decided to illegally download it because that method gives them that freedom. There is no good spin to DRM. Try again.
- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -2/+78It was funny to watch the pro-DRM people crowing about securerom making Bioshock "uncrackable"... for about a week or so.
- Takran, on 10/10/2007, -1/+71In its current incarnations, DRM is a dying breed. The DRM systems of today simply aren't intelligent enough to provide fair use compliance while enforcing anti-piracy. Very few systems aren't crackable or able to be bypassed. Whenever DRM tries to take away any aspect of fair use, piracy will ensue.
- dsmx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+70They are starting to finally realise that DRM only effects the legitimate consumer, not the pirates. Has hell frozen over?
- micro506, on 10/10/2007, -2/+56"DRM doesn t anger consumers content owners abusing DRM anger consumers."
The what with the what now? - MoneyShot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+49I just spent over $5K on building a custom rig ($500 on the RAID card alone, hooked to 3 Raptors and a pair of Seagate 500GB drives). I finally got bored playing Oblivion and was going to go buy Bioshock after work the day it was released. After I read about the "can only install it three/five times--ever" issue, I said screw it. I waited a week and then downloaded it (and the crack) from the PirateBay. I've beaten it twice now.
The point is that I am not a cheapskate. I have a good job and plenty of disposable income to dump into my computer addition. The reason I opted for the non-legit version was because it was less of a hassle than buying it, not because it was cheaper. I'd feel like a chump if I spent $50-60 on something and then couldn't fully use it like I wanted to. - TheGuy20, on 10/10/2007, -1/+42It's about time.
- kavaliro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+41For the record, DRM angers consumers.
- sugarhigh4242, on 10/10/2007, -0/+33DRM is pure *****. Log on to LimeWire or go to thepiratebay and see how effective DRM is at stopping piracy.
The only people DRM hurts are people like me who obtain all their content legally. I have an ipod with 30GB of music all ripped straight from my CD collection. I want to continue being able to buy content legally and convert it into whatever format my PSP/iPod/PS3/Xbox360/Toaster demand. DRM makes a product worthless to me. If the DRM on DVD (+ Blu-ray) were not easily cracked, I would not buy any movies. And that's still a serious problem that I have to break the laws of my country just to watch a movie I purchased at a store.
In fact, DRM will have opposite its intended effect. In the case of a game like Bioshock (which I played on 360, not PC) I would not have purchased the retail version. I would have downloaded an image from thePirateBay. I'm not going to pay $50 and risk not being able to play the game in 5 years when the Pirate Edition will always work in any computer.
Content creators: Stop allowing publishers to sabotage your hard work. Demand that your work be shipped without DRM. - nicepants, on 10/10/2007, -0/+33My favorite quote from the article: "Sony vice president Scott Smyers admits that he circumvents the copy protection on DVDs (CSS) in order to make backups for personal use."
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+32The only problem with doing that is that you, as a consumer, vote with your $$$. So if you're buying products that have been crippled to one extent or another by DRM or some other anti-piracy bs, the companies behind the products will think that DRM isn't so bad, since they're still selling lots of games / albums / etc.
I buy a ton of CDs still, and I usually do exactly what you're suggesting: I buy the album to try and give whatever sort of message I can to the company saying I like the band / genre, but then more often then not I go online and see if I can't get a really good quality rip off of somewhere. But it's a balancing act between making sure we, as consumers, get what we feel we're entitled to, and making sure that the companies behind these products completely understand many people position, and that if they're going to release DRM riddled garbage, sales will suffer. - Floris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+31My stand is simple: Don't buy DRM enabled software. And it seems to work fine for me. Enough alternatives that are of the same quality, if not better.
- TripcodeMel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+31O Analog Hole, how we love thee.
- kavaliro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30Buying DRM'd content is like buying a Jeep that only switches to 4-wheel drive on American Motors Approved hills. Who would buy that? Only the village idiot.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28DRM was never a living breed from the first place itself. treating your consumers as likely thief's (thats the intention of DRM anyways) is bound to fail.
- goldfishey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+25I gotta agree. I buy the albums I listen to, but it annoys me that im only supposed to listen to them on a single device. So the DRM comes straight off - I paid for it dammit, Im going to listen to it on what ever device *I* choose.
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Problem is DRM DOES in fact anger consumers. There is no way NOT to abuse DRM. DRM is a spy in your house. It is never welcome, and it is always as abuse.
- Pinhedd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23The best way to protect your IP: give people a reason to buy it.
- KenOh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25"Very few systems aren't crackable or able to be bypassed."
How about NO system is able to be bypassed? If you can view or watch it, that means you can record/line-out it. It's a doomed philosophy to think otherwise. - roodammy44, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Really? You'd pay that much for a ringtone?
- DonCarcharo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20The way I see it, it's not just about locking down content. It's that the content is locked down, encumbered and hobbled but we're charged the same price for it as the unencumbered version. For example, let's say I want to buy an episode of Heroes. I could just go out and get the DVD. If you did the price breakdown any single episode comes out to around $2.00. Using this method, the episode could be watched virtually anywhere. It works on DVD players and if I rip it, it can play on any sort of handheld device or media player. Plus I get a nifty case with my purchase.
Should I decide I want to go the Digital route I could buy it from Amazon Unbox. It's roughly $2.00 an episode so it's similarly priced. Problem is it will work on my Media Center but not on my Mac, my iPod or my iPhone and I can't even play it on my DVD player. Moreover I need proprietary software to get the episode and the software searches my media library for DRM'd content. In the event that I remove UnBox, my episode may no longer work (it's listed there in the details).
This is about the dumbest business model I've ever seen. Listen DRM sucks, there's no question, but I'll deal with it if you give me some sort of incentive. DRM'd content should be priced substantially less than open content since by its nature its use is restricted. - unitedatheism, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Here in Brazil very few people care about DRM, most people just accept the pirated copy instead of that limited but official version... Gotta be that thought about using pirated media not because you don't want to pay, but because it's easier and more flexible than the official one
- UncleCrapper, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18"DRM doesn't anger consumers, content owners abusing DRM angers consumers."
That's how the quote should read. I don't know what happened to the apostrophes. Perhaps they went on vacation. Regardless, it's an awkward sentence. - t0ny, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Ya, its pretty easy to "abuse" drm. Like for example wanting to copy MY itunes music to my palm pilot. Can I do it? Well if I remove the drm. So I do it. And you know what? None of my music which I paid for is on p2p. Just my palm pilot. ***** DRM! I'm not a criminal so dont treat me like one. ***** YOU TOO RIAA AND MPAA!
/a little pissed - t0ny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15"Consumers angers DRM abusing owners conent, consumers anger doesn't DRM"
:) - uberkling, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15And as per usual the same people who would've bought a game bought it, the same people who would've pirated it gave it five seconds thought and copied over the cracked executable.... The developers didn't lose any share of a paying audience that wasn't there for them already.
They thing they DID lose was that small but nonetheless important segment of their customers that were savvy enough to know about virtual device drivers, rootkits and the usual, see the negative securom publicity and not buy the game purely on those grounds. - knightboat, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16The only thing close to good DRM that I've seen is Steam. They actually understand that the only way to get people to buy your product instead of stealing it is to make it easier to use when purchased than when it's stolen. There is nothing more convenient that I've seen from DRM than being allowed to re-download everything you've bought with no hassle or ***** straight from Steam as many times as you want with no restrictions whenever you format or change computers or anything else. You don't need to have the game CD in the tray or enter your cd-key more than one time ever.
I'm sure people have problems with Steam unrelated to this, but I'd like to see more people adopt Steam's DRM model and maybe improve on it. It's the only method even close to working and usable at this point. Everyone else just treats you like a crook and puts you under computer arrest. - ultraJesus, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18Up here is Canada you don't really hear about this DRM stuff alot. Or maybe I just don't watch the news. Anyway, everyone I know downloads ***** of stuff, and there are no consequences at all for any of us.
- cranium, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I won't purchase anything that has DRM.
- Aaronthethird, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13As others have mentioned, the only people DRM effects are the legitimate users, pirates will never be effected thus it only serves to penalize the people who pay for the music anyway. The new site Spiralfrog is a perfect example: you can download any of their music for free but it comes in protected WMA format, so you can only listen to it on your computer or through a selected MP3 player (meaning, not an iPod). The stupid part about this is, you have the music, you can listen to it all day long on your computer and anyone is free to get it, but you can't burn it to a CD or use it on the most popular MP3 device, so ultimately the music is fairly useless (at least it is to me, because the only time I really listen to music is in my car or when I walk). Had the stupid music companies just made all the music DRM free, high quality, free of charge, unlimited downloads, and never expiring (I forgot, if you don't come watch so many commercials on their site per month your music expires) and just made a huge pile of revenue through ads all the piracy would be gone in almost no time and they would turn a large percentage of the existing pirates into ad revenue. But the problem is that the music companies aren't ready to accept reality yet, and they won't until all their money runs out and its too late for them to turn around a loosing battle.
- dsmx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I thought it was funnier that the backlash was so big.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14"DRM doesn t anger consumers content owners abusing DRM anger consumers."
Haha, wtf?
Eh, you can't wrap that in a "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" type statement because it's nothing the same, which is why that sentence made no sense.
DRM pisses people off because it limits legit items they purchase.
DRM essentially makes it so the item you buy isn't really yours.
The second any item comes with a restriction, it's no longer logical to pay for it without simultaneously using some sort of bypass. Which is why everyone should mod their consoles and download the mp3s of the album they just bought.
It's your purchase, therefore, you can do whatever YOU want with it. - aztak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13DRM = CONSUMER RIPOFF
i should be able to use itunes with this crap philips mp3 player - uselessexpert, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12No one cares about using DRM. Is just the corporations. I want to be able to put my music where ever a choose. No wonder I rip everything as mp3...
- jmnormand, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11media defenders defenders and 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 are just the tip of the iceberg, and the mpaa/riaa are the titanic...
- TheWhiteOtter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10"Hollywood or the Register of Copyrights, both of which argue that "backups" can readily be had in the form of new copies you can buy at the store" - FTA
Thats like saying that car insurance can be had in the form of buying two/three cars! I'm glad that nobody pays any attention to these people. - astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10As with food, always read the label before purchasing that CD.
- sesante2000, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10According to side show bob "DIE DRM DIE" would actually mean "THE DRM, THE"
- xmrkkr, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13I'm pretty sure that this DRM thing would never work coz how would they prevent someone from copying stuff if the monitor/speakers were hacked to capture video/audio.
- keviniskool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Flip that around and you've got the real message.
- ayeroxor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Would you pay ANYTHING for a ringtone? Stupidest, most sheep-like way to spend money EVAR.
- JeffD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8How many people do you know who actually buy music online? I have personally never met one person in real life who uses itunes or any of those other digital music services. Is it different in the US? Do people actually buy music online? Everyone I know either pirates music or still buys CDs. The older generations tend to buy more CDs, the younger pirate more, but most people do a mixture of both.
- astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Ringtones are LEASED to you on a monthly basis, only if I could get it through some peoples skulls who buy a hand full of them (and the quality sucks on most of them btw).
People who pay for ringtones are getting ripped off big time. - MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Unfortunately, DRM does not anger the average consumer. If it did, iTunes, the Zune Marketplace, Plays4Sure, and the rest of sites selling legal digital content would never have gotten off the ground. Instead, iTunes (currently) is the number 3 reseller for digital content and most other services are still DRMing their content in one way or another.
Voting with your $ means little if the vast majority continue to use services that are objectionable concerning DRM. I rarely buy audio content (and never buy video content) from iTunes unless it's the EMI, non-DRM version. I either rip it myself from my own collection or do without. - o0joshua0o, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I think Blizzard Entertainment is a good example of this. They make it worthwhile to actually purchase the game.
- RepoOne, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7And then you have the pirates. See how it all fits together? Titanic, iceberg, ocean, pirates. It's the only logical sequence.
- hockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7But don't you see? You failed to realize the shortcomings of DRM. In order to rip your DVD you have to first CRACK it. You own it, you should be able to make a backup without having to crack it!
- astrotrain, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8To blazes with any protected music scheme, DRM, Steam, etc... When I purchase music, It should be MINE not "rented".
Never had this issue with my 33 1/3 & 45 RPM records... when I purchased them from the five & dime they were mine
forever. -
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