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- zone, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30"For around $10,000..."
no diy article should start like that :| - Jaq524, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Funny... I almost thought that Techeblog only did Top10s.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16It serves up to 200 customers so $10,000 for a company to serve all those customers it isn't a terrbile DIY.
- gyrfalcon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11If a server crashes in the woods, do you hear it? :)
- leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry, but the server for that ISP is in a box attached to a lightening rod.
ITS AN ISP - ITS MEANT TO BE RELIABLE
thats a completely unprofessional approach. The wifi things all fine, but putting the server on the tower is just stupid. They should have the server running at a managed datacenter somewhere else and then at least if the internet access went down the web pages for the clients wouldn't.
I'd never trust something as important as email to a box in the woods!
Leo - camtech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8At that rate you'd get your money back in one billing period. After that you're making money.
- scriabinop23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm sorry, but southerners... I just can't take it.. did anyone watch this video? paraphrased:
"umm... you take em der wires.. and put em in the box. then you slap a dollop of of bbq on it... thne you stick these two t1s up ... "
:) - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm not lovin' it:
Their main server is an old Compaq stuffed into a box.
The ISP guy said "category five, or 'cat5'," WAY too proudly.
The music and displays of the incredibly-accurate "amateur logic" logo were disgusting. - bosozuku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I was impressed by the modest power requirements.. he was claiming a monthly power bill of 11$,
For those who didn't watch, the t1's are bellsouth supplied. He provided a router mast and directional antenna and some piece of junk 400mhz linux box for email and webservices. Interestingly, his tower survived katrina. - Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7That's the only way they can get people to read their blog.
- 1337squirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Then how do you call it B.S. if your company's piggybacking? They had to put up their own tower. Use some common sense please.
- mrliquid75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5cant blame the guy for trying. Before the large corp bought me out I had 7 cells up that served 800 users each and the cost was $8500 per cell. It provided 10 Mb of throughput for the end user. Though I understand the country boy providing service and 10k is a good chunk of change but my question is how much did the end user equipment cost you or your end user? hehehehe
Our end users only had to fork out $95 for equipment and $25 per month and that's all top commercial grade equipment. - starsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Uhh correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like he just hooked up 2 T1s to a router and a wifi transciever. Also, I wouldn't want to be stuck with 200 people on just 2 T1s
- DeathtoG4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+610,000 That is absolute B.S. I work for a WISP and during our start up period we used a similar approach. The entire setup there could be done for 3,000$ without bandwith costs. There rig is very unprofesional and frankly stupid to place your web, mail, ftp, dns servers at your POP then you have multiple servers you have to manage. Telling you this from experience its the wrong way to set things up.
- 1337squirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Are you sure? I think we would all agree that the vast majority of the $10k went towards hiring a contractor to erect the tower.
- konspence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hey! I subcribe to Odessaoffice dsl, it's really sweet because it's wireless over 6 miles +
- Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well, for cheaper you can do similar. You could maybe even combine this with homebrew DSL to be a reasonably cheap ISP: http://www.odessaoffice.com/sdsl.htm
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6$10,000/200 = $50. Not bad for a co-op arrangement.
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4but is it industrial grade?
- Ogopogo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4.. is TechEBlog hosted on that guys web server? .. it doesn't seem to be responding.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, I almost wanted to shoot myself because that vid was moving so slow. :)
This stuff isn't rocket science. My buddy whacked up a similar thing for about $6k in iraq. It uses a satellite connection, and he's serving about 80 users on the base right now. The base is pretty sprawling, so he's got several WRT54G's running dd-wrt in custom enclosures with integrated antennas. It's a pretty neat system. He's using Chilispot for authentication, and people are paying him for access with paypal so he can recoup his costs on the equipment.
The monthly charge on the satellite connection is somewhere around $1500 a month for 2M down/1M up. - LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If your directional skills are as atrocious as your spelling skills, I don't think the guy has anything to worry about.
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"but is it industrial grade?" It's held up for 3 years, so sounds like it to me. They also seem to be pretty on top of weatherproofing for all their components.
- 1337squirrel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's a decent DIY setup, but I have a few problems with it. One, around $10k for the gear, but I think the dual T1 cost should've been discussed, as well as how much they need to charge their users to cover costs. Two, how much time, money, etc. was involved getting FCC approval for that transmitter? How about local government approval to erect the tower? And three, I don't care how 'small time' your ISP is, I would never service 100-200 users on a slow ass server like that. Much less leave it out in the elements. I'm sorry, but that enclosure did not look too moisture resistant, and we all know how humid it gets in Mississippi in the summer. If I were a customer of that ISP, I'd be writing some nasty emails to that guy.
An interesting look at a small time operation's setup, but man, what a farked install inside that fence! I hope the gear on top of tower is installed better. And I hope AmateurLogic's team gets better video and newscasting skills in subsequent episodes, coz they're teh suckz right now! ;) - neo17262, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3direct link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLD58kGTIko&eurl= - djpolstee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, it was filmed in Mississippi. But I can't complain, I'm in MS. and only 2 hrs north of him.
I'm impressed it withstood Katrina - MyNameIsNotBob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The "proprietor" reminds me of Randy Quaid's character in the National Lampoon movies. His wiring and equipment mounting do too.
It's also kind of funny that he has two T1s (from the same co.) for "redundancy," but a single router and what looks like a single 5 port Netgear switch. He then goes and talks about coming out in the middle of the night and at 4:00am to "fix stuff." I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I wouldn't want him to be my ISP. - mianos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is a blog to a blog to a blog, the first 2 add zero value.
In the educated world there is a thing called attribution, of which none of these have.
How about putting a system in place where the end users can 'refactor' a blog to the original source? - liddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Does the wifi guy remind anyone else of Gomer Pyle? Maybe its just me.
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I would say RTFA, but it's a video :) Basically, this guy (in the link) is buying a T1 from Bellsouth, where he's able to get it, and then broadcasts that out over wireless to whomever needs it and can't get one directly. It's basically a small wireless ISP.
- scriabinop23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm going to post this and see if my link can beat this:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/ - Dr.Technical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The show is what it is. Episode 1 out of 7. The others do get better technically and there is usually interesting content. Episode 3 features details of how to construct a 3 mile Cantenna!
That Wifi site in this episode was placed into service at a time when no other broadband service was available in that subdivision. It's no longer on the air, but did serve it's purpose well during it's years of service. - thehigherlife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i have adblock on and now when ever i see the words after the jump i get all confused.
- sastian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3from what i saw on that video, these guys are hacks, and i don't mean that in a good way.
errr CAT5 doesnt need to be explained to anyone anymore. - newanalog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In the video the guy points to the patch panel and says that it's a patch panel. The other guy then says, "or a pedestal". What the crap? That video is more redneck than me!
- spadin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's Mississippi. People down there are nicer. Besides they see wires and they probably think they'll get electrocuted if they touch them.
- madmax85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12 T1 on 200 customers, its faster to use your cellphone, 384kbit.
- creeptick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Laudable first time effort but not nearly enough forethought. The onsite server is a joke. The router seems unnecessary since he's already got the linux box doing everything, might as well do the routing also.
Ideally, that enclosure should be padlocked shut and not see the light of day until hardware upgrade time - remote admin all the way.
P.S. As pointed out above, the camera work was 'teh suck' and since they look like they have an editing room, would it be too much to ask to cut the awkward pauses out? - scriabinop23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you always know when someone embraces the term 'category 5', they're knowledge level on the subject doesn't surpass much higher, other then fried ribs dolloped with some bbq. :0
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just got to the credits... some bad aspects of the show might be from the fact that it's episode 1.
- Darren07, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7I'm sick of TechEBlog and their Top10s...
- gyrfalcon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1^_^
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This doesn't have anything to do with tiered Internet. This is for municipal wifi in areas where you may not even be able to get cable or DSL service, or something as "enterprise grade" as a T1 (which is total ***** nowadays).
- wthnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank you for telling us about this show. I think I'm gonna have to start watching this show now. I love macgyver type stuff like this. I wish more movies were more technical when they had scenes with computers / electronics.
- dandiemer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Make your money back in one billing cycle? did you factor in the price of the t1's themselves?
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Umm, no. A T1 is 1.5 megabits. Two of them is 3 megabits. Divide by 200 customers and you get 15 kilobits per customer, not 384. Of course, overselling logic dictates that customers will get much faster than that, but still, 200 customers on 3mbit is insane if you're promising anything higher than dialup speeds.
- moeq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If I was going to do this, I'd use a properly insulated and weatherproofed shed. No wonder he's had so many hardware failures: He's storeing it all outside in a plain metal box. Moron.
Electricity and water do not mix. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Guspaz: I think that's his point. A GPRS or EDGE link would be faster than this ISP. (although I dunno where he got 384 kbit/s from -- AFAIK an EDGE link can only get up to 236 kbit/s)
- TheComputerMutt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2gyrfalcon, if you hate everything about Digg, get the ***** off the site!
- gyrfalcon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@TheComputerMutt
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