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- Fly1m1, on 10/12/2007, -11/+264Diggnation proves the KISS principle. 15TB of nothing more than two guys on talking. Go digg!
- kev26, on 10/12/2007, -6/+208So it's all Diggnations fault that the Tubes are filling up.
- Fly1m1, on 10/12/2007, -15/+179KISS Keep It Simple Stupid
- cinnix, on 10/12/2007, -13/+146There's nothing professional about Diggnation at all. (thats why its good)
- chrisxkelley, on 10/12/2007, -6/+93Buried as lame because the title of this story makes me want to kill myself. Please avoid the all-caps-fanboy-approach to posting digg stories.
- Fly1m1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+81Site updated to show 25 TB a week...
- DruminPatrick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+65CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!
- danielrhodes, on 10/12/2007, -6/+64These people don't buy bandwidth by the gigabyte...nobody does that unless you are a small site. They buy bandwidth by megabits per second, which puts the cost at not nearly as much as $200K/year.
- chrisxkelley, on 10/12/2007, -18/+76Diggnation is awesome. Its too bad that a huge amount of the fans are annoying as hell. It's kind of absurd how many posts are buried already.
- Four20, on 10/12/2007, -5/+46watch out porn and bittorrents. we're catching up
- DarknessGP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36If you calculate it from the cachefly site, assuming diggnation does the premium plan that is only $300/month for 1.2 TB and then it would be $3,532.80 for the other 13.8 TB. and then times 12 for the year, and that's only $45,993.60 a year. Way cheaper than the supposed "$200,000 a year"
But I'm sure they aren't even paying that since Diggnation is being sponsered by cachefly. - ch28kid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Let see
25 x 1024 x 1024 = 26214400 MB
26214400 MB / 350 MB per / episode = 74898
At least 75000 people watch Diggnation, thats not including the pirate downloads from Diggdown... - wdfmor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32on another note, how much traffic does digg.com consume?
- gr3yn3t, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Buried as lame. No story deserves the front page if it's all in caps...
- exBBoi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Did you know? - CacheFly delivers more than 25 Terabytes per week for the popular podcast DiggNation. (Updated 4/7/2007 to reflect current numbers (March 2007) for the people from digg.com who find this interesting).
- sirmalloc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19@darknessgp
The article says "15 Terabytes per week". Your calculation is based on that amount per month. - cinnix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22CAPS LOCK CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME!!!
http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=629 - theGOG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I really should stop dowloading and deleting it repeatedly.
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1425 TB(ytes) / week == 200 Tb(its) / week
200 Tb per week / 7 days per week / 24 hours per day / 60 minutes per hour / 60 seconds per minute = 0.0003306878306878 Tb/s
Which is 330.6878306878Mbit, on average.
It's more than likely non-constant (spikes on new releases, business hours are higher usage), so I would assume peaks of about 450Mbit at the 95th percentile.
Now, according to the WHOIS on the IP of videos.diggnation.com (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=205.234.175.175), they're hosted at ServerCentral. SC doesn't have cheap bandwidth. According to FixedOrbit (http://fixedorbit.com/AS/23/AS23352.htm) they go through Level3, Savvis, BTN, Telia, and have a bunch of peering connections. (Interesting sidebar, SmugMug and NewsHosting are hosted by or peer with them). I'm guessing they charge anywhere from $20 to $40 per Mbit for high commits like that. So, it's $9,000 to $18,000 per month for bandwidth by my estimations. That's $108,000 to $216,000 per year, which sounds about right. It's probably closer to the $108,000 amount, though. - ashwin100, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13No one said they did charge £200k a year, the poster said 'IF they charge rental fees of...' nothing implying that that is actually the amount.
- JD223, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Umm.. I pay .005 cents per gig of Bandwidth.. 2TB for $10/month...
Most large providers dont charge by the gig.. the charge by connection speed. - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Congrats. But next time, please lay off the CAPS lock.
- JaceMO, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Please don't type story titles in ALL CAPS.
- saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I download it from a local mirror in Australia, it would be hard to work out how many people actually watch it.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Colo bandwidth is traditionally charged by monthly 95% of monthly Mbps average , but coincidentally figuring the math and the change to 25TB and the fact that podcasts have virtually no upstream bandwidth save acks, the annual figure probably isnt too far off based on bulk pricing, I would say $250-$500k/yr.
Podcasts are a bandwidth nightmare, with millions of people downloading them automatically daily whether they get watched or not.
I have no idea how digg is ever going to cover cost of operation and stop burning capital, except to sell as a loss leader to google or yahoo like youtube did. - fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think if anything this proves how much of a failure bittorrent is in it's current form. If digg's userbase are resorting to http/ftp downloads instead of torrents then who's will?
- Absinthminded64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@jd223
I recently mistakenly left a knoppix torrent open for 3/4ths of a month and had to pay $1200 in overage charges with the provider superb.net. They charge $1/GB so it's important to keep an eye on your provider's fine print. Granted they're not a local carrier but they pay their own local carriers the prices you're paying. - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Maybe 75,000 download it, but no one has any idea how many actually watch it - no metrics on that.
- mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You just keep telling yourself that chief.
steve jobs....wait.....what? - tonich03, on 10/12/2007, -25/+29@cinnix and everybody that dugg me down.
Idiots, diggnation is more professional than you think. Work ethic, behind-the-scenes organization, distribution are all professional. Kevin and Alex are very serious about the job, they don't miss an episode even if they have to fly from a long distance. Yet, as I said, it's casual, simple and spontaneous. But hey, I know many of you don't understand this, fools. - tuzziel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ok, let's say they are charged $100K-$150K year... Can you provide any estimates of how much are they actually making doing such a show? Is it profitable?
- andrew.bell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Wow...this just blatently copied my story like 200 days ago. http://digg.com/tech_news/Diggnation_pulls_15TB_a_week
- NextGenXbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Make that 25TB.
They do get 250,000 viewers per show, so this isn't surprising. - ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Are you stupid or something?!
- Gigabutt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Cache fly doesn't do the flash stuff, so there is another whole userbase that isn't counted.
- insovietrussia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Keep in mind that a fair chunk of that data would be pulled through peering partners, which has almost nil cost.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wouldn't really matter, they'd still pull a profit making around 10k an episode. That's around 520,000 a year just from diggnation.
- stevenlowry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1everyones working the mb/s per month ITS PER WEEK
- JacZilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Site updated, CacheFly now says 25TB/ week for Diggnation.
- mriegger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would imagine that Diggnation compresses extremely well. You really only need 1 keyframe for the entire video: Alex and Kevin, sitting on a couch, with laptops, holding beers.
- thetron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I still love my libsyn account. I don't have to pay extorinary bandwidth bill
Also the quoted estimated cost could be alot less. Due to peering relationships with other ISP that keep the cost of transit down - dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cachefly is a CDN, not a transit provider. The billing model is different. CDN's do not typically charge on a flow-rate or 95%tile billing model - they charge by absolute bytes transfered. Servercentral doesn't "host" Cachefly - they own 49% of Cachefly, and the head cheese at Cachefly is the head techie at ServerCentral.
Diggnation is distributed in a bunch of ways, and Cachefly is only one of them. - bl4nk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Check the site again, they updated it for last month.. It's now 25TB.
- Marku$, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3duggmirror is around 30TB
- rhizopogon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The page I saw said 25 terabytes, not 15. 25 terabytes per week is equal to 45 million bytes or so per second average rate (42.9 or so megabytes/sec). squirt gun.
- hollanich11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mine too.... they updated it, yet 25 seems like a big jump from 15 in a few weeks... wee bit suspicious
- maexus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3+ for diggnation. I agree, keep is simple and they have done an amazing just with the medium.
- tyler1175, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2and thats not counting all the people like me that download it off diggdown
- diggdong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If one doesn't read the "was this submitted before" line then it doesn't exit. It's all about the front page man.
- roostishaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hate to rain on the "zOMG! That a lot of money!!11!1" parade, but its not like that would put a ding in Digg's war chest.
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