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- CPops, on 10/12/2007, -6/+66The free market will always find a way around the criminal governments that decide that they have a right to control our lives and bodies against our will. Prostitution and drug use are not crimes and should be entirely legal.
As Lysander Spooner pointed out many years ago...
"Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another.
Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property.
In vices, the very essence of crime - that is, the design to injure the person or property of another - is wanting.
It is a maxim of the law that there can be no crime without a criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. But no one ever practises a vice with any such criminal intent. He practices his vice for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others.
Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property, and the corresponding and coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property.
For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood, or falsehood truth." - jdkane, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50I think the giggling comes from the use of marijuana, no matter the gender.
- mongrel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37I call inaccurate - I've been trying to get poontang on Craigslist for years, only gay dudes get any action.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Do you really think the DEA is investigating people for a few grams of pot? If they are you should complain about your tax money being wasted.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Is that "black market" or "ideal market"... because you know... one man's fish is another man's poisson
- logic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29I'll giggle if I like and I really don't care what you have to say about it.
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22When I was stationed in Germany (where prostitution is legal) one of my buddies pointed something out to me...
"You know, I go to a prostitute because I spend the 50 Marks and I get exactly what I want, then I leave and do what I want. If I had a girlfriend I would probably spend the same amount on a 'date' and there would be no guarantee that I would get any action. Not to mention I have to keep talking to her and keep spending money on her. I'm not looking for a wife, I just want some sex every few days. Plus I get the added benefit of picking what kind of girl to have sex with!"
I could not argue with his logic... - RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22craigslist's problem: a minority of users sell drugs or post fake ads in hopes of robbing unsuspecting people; the media reports on it; perspective customers get scared and don't use craigslist.
- ltbarcly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21@formatreinstall
All of your arguments apply equally well to any illegal action, regardless of whether or not it is harmful in the same way when legalized.
And yes, people are lining up to be prostitutes, and pimps are caring and do provide great health benefits, in countries and states where prostitution is legal.
The problem with your logic is that you assume that the same people will be running these industries if they are legalized, which is a very stupid assumption. If this were true than booze would be provided by rum runners and people with backyard stills, and drinking it would have a high probability of causing blindness. This was the reality WHEN IT WAS ILLEGAL during prohibition. Now booze is supplied by the same people who run family friendly theme parks. Where are the rum runners now?
When prohibition ended the rum runners were out of business, and when drug prohibition ends it will put the illegal drug dealers out of business, since they are petty criminals who cannot hope to compete with a competent business doing the same job. There would be no drug 'cartels' if the US weren't propping up a government in Columbia and forcing that government to try to prosecute people for growing certain kinds of plants in their fields because those plants are worth more money and they are very very poor.
Your argument is exactly like this: Every time I see someone on a red bike I kick the ***** out of them. See? Riding a red bike is bad for people, you shouldn't ride red bikes. Riding red bikes causes bad consequences. Besides, only people who are desperate ride red bikes, since it is inevitable that riding one causes your ***** to be kicked out.
Why do I kick the ***** out of people on red bikes? I personally believe it is wrong, and I like to enforce my idea of morality on people even when their actions have no effect on me. - logic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"I am sure pimps are caring emplyers who provide health insurance and dental."
Direct result of criminalisation. Legal prostitution, like legal recreational drug use, would be a lot safer for everyone, and more profitable for everyone but the criminals. - ltbarcly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Yea, people sucking smoke out of little white sticks, and then laughing and eating pizza, is some horrifying *****. Keep the kids indoors until this terror is over.
I mean, what could be worse than someone sucking smoke out of a little white stick in their own house? I mean, cigarettes don't count here, because they aren't the same.... I mean, the effect of marijuana is very different than alchohol.... I mean, ... Sooo scary though. You should totally narc on this guy. - bolerobell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Craigslist is the online equivalent of classified ads. No more, no less. The same thing has been going on there for decades.
- LaTechTech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Now that this has hit the front page; diggers around the world are thinking of posts to put on craiglist to score with a chick. BRB...
- davdav, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16PayPal for Oxycontin? Anyone? Anyone?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I will next time I'm in NY lol.
- PabloFanques, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"Recently, however, Eric posted an ad on craigslist indicating he was willing to trade marijuana for sexual favors from women or money from men. Men who offered up a woman for sex would get a discount.
"It's not prostitution," he said, noting he had completed a few transactions in response to the ad. "It's like a date, just weed instead of dinner.""
Ahh, stoned logic... Wouldn't this mean that prostitution is also not prostitution since it's like a date, just cash instead of dinner? - blackmath, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16You must be insanely stupid to sell drugs over the internet. Any DEA agent could reply and meet them then arrest them.
- thedaemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10CPops, I would have to agree with you. Most of the harm that comes from the use of drugs and prostitution is because they are illegal. If the government were to legalize it and put taxes on it, they would be very happy. Little violence would come from big drug deals because they would all be legal and government controlled. Prostitution would be safer with std checks and the likes. But I doubt this is going to happen anytime soon with such "god fearing" people running the government. Isn't there supposed to be separation of church and state?
- thoughtcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10did you try selling pot for sex, as the article says?
- formatreinstall, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18It's a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark.
In all seriousness, vice often has indirect and unintended consequences for lot's of people.
I'm sure you'd be *shocked* to find that women are not lining up to be prostitutes, and I am sure pimps are caring emplyers who provide health insurance and dental.
Drugs seem like a simple vice, except to the farmers in a 3rd world nation who aren't allowed to grow edible crops on their arable land for fear of cartel reprisals and machete wounds.
And the next time your apartment is broken into and looted by a crackhead, I am sure you will take solace in the fact that, ultimately, he was not seeking to harm you but to search for his own happiness.
Just sayin - individual rights are fun to preach, but they spring directly from the knowledge that all our own actions have repricussions, and the responsibility that brings. Um... snoochie boochie? - BitwiseMcgee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11did you mean: one man's fish is another man's poisson _distribution_?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution - lysdexic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"I'm sure you'd be *shocked* to find that women are not lining up to be prostitutes, and I am sure pimps are caring emplyers who provide health insurance and dental."
Still, the one's who do make the *choice* to do so. If they don't and are forced into it, the crime is indentured servitude. Create safe and legal outlets for the transactions and the pimp trade shrinks.
"Drugs seem like a simple vice, except to the farmers in a 3rd world nation who aren't allowed to grow edible crops on their arable land for fear of cartel reprisals and machete wounds."
Take away the lucrative black market by legalizing the substances and prices drop. Then there's no monetary incentive for cartels to force farmers to grow those crops.
"And the next time your apartment is broken into and looted by a crackhead, I am sure you will take solace in the fact that, ultimately, he was not seeking to harm you but to search for his own happiness."
Breaking and entering is the crime here. Not the drug use. You could just as easily be robbed by someone trying to get money to support his children. Should we make child birth illegal? - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Maybe you are just ugly. CL worked for me.
- laplie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"poisson" is also the French word for fish..... so many alternate meanings from a single typo.
- TheFlamingoKing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Email account with no personal information, messages sent from public terminals... how are they going to figure it out?
@ templest - You are mistaking drug dealers with drug smokers. Drug dealers love money. Drug smokers love drugs. I have seen some rather entrepreneural dealers in my day. - bartbrinkman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Extremely interesting comment. Thanks!
- Tsujigiri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Even though Seattle voters in 2004 approved an initiative that required police to make enforcing marijuana possession for adults the lowest priority... "
Interesting. It sounds like Seattle is effectively reverse-engineering marijuana legalization. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Kind of hard to believe after all these years, weed is still looked upon the way that it is. Alcohol and tobacco are still openly available to anyone with a valid ID. Truly odd.
- digitaldarkage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Very well spoken Cpops.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Any maybe nobody should care if a little 420 is traded for getting your knob polished. Being a ***** busybody should be a capital offense.
- eper3z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i have 80mg for you :) but i dont use paypal
- schwit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's a shame this has to be black market. In a truly free society consenting adults should have no restrictions on their behavior as long as it stays in their own home.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I dont think pot for sex would work as well as Coke for sex! hahaha then you might have a winner
- marshn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6'Prospective' customer.
- mr804, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Our city just has mostly tv's :(
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/ers/ - abacadabbra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ahh craigs list
m4w
male
24
420 friendly
if ya wanna get together and toke let me know! - templest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But pot enhances *pleasure*!
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is no different than the deals which occur in meatspace. Slap a keyboard, mouse, and internet connection onto it, and watch your clueless news media and legislator panic!
- SwtRose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A San Jose State football player is facing charges over allegations he used ads on Craigslist to lure robbery victims.
- arcticblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hahahaha! I used that exact same logic when I was stationed in Japan (Okinawa).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> I guess some chicks would dig sex on coke
Women on coke talk entirely too much for any man to tolerate for more than 30 minutes at a time... which, coincidental, is exactly how long.... - Toiling, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4craigslist is just a bunch of spam posted by crappy 4th tier websites trying to sell you half baked services ( I'm referring to mostly the erotic crap)
Even the personals (w4m,w4w,m4m,m4w) postings are just fake ads to lure dolts into their dating site. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> Seattle voters in 2004 approved an initiative that required police to make
> enforcing marijuana possession for adults the lowest priority
Cool!
So, I'm OK smoking pot on sitting on the hood of my car as long as it's illegally parked. - bacchus213, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just the check the validity of the article, I too did a search. In both my local area (Norfolk, VA) and Seattle. Guess how many I came up with? Zero!
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Laws against murder are only an enforcement of morality insofar as you cannot willingly agree to be killed, except in cases where this is interpreted as euthanasia in places where that is legal. In practical terms, you don't get enough people willing to be murdered for this to be more than a theoretical case.
So, yes, the state has no business legislating morality, and busybodies like you should be thrown into prison as a danger to society. - BadassCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've been looking for a G36K for years on Craig's list to no avail. ***** Craig's list.
- templest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@burtonbe, the drugs are readily available. Give me $50 and busy down-town area and I'll find you *anything* you want. Just because it's legal isn't going to make everyone think, "Oh snap! Binge!" Much like the end of prohibition didn't make everyone a drunk.
- TheFlamingoKing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Except chicks don't use craigslist. Try myspace, there's a much better ratio...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> Except chicks don't use craigslist. Try myspace, there's a much better ratio..
Dude... are you kidding?
The local cops are *ALL*OVER* MySpace. - LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@burtonbe:
Now you're looking at what's best for society versus what's best for the individual. What is best for society is for every man to be enslaved with the 'obligation' of 'bettering' (relative term) it. What's best for the individual is the individual freedom and right to do as he pleases. With legalizing crack, firearms laws should be loosened enough for those who wish to defend their property from the influx of crackwhores. The irresponsible crackwhores break into a gunowners house and are killed. The responsible ones live. When uninhibited, nature takes care of itself. A happy, FREE individual makes a happy, FREE society. The basis of a capitalistic republic. -
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