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- GhostFreeman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This would be plausible in four years time if we hadn't blown that 75 bil, amongst other things elsewhere.
- loup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It might be worth mentioning that the estimate is from and UNRELEASED report. Meaning that this unreleased report could be completely made up, or that it's still going through fact checking, or many other things.
- cptshamrock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The flame keeps me warm
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, the US switched to the metric system about 15 years ago.. It's just that nobody uses it.
- tokachu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2$75,000,000,000 isn't a lot of money in the U.S. economy. That's the equivalent of each taxpayer spending 75ยข a day for the development period.
And, yes, IPv6 is necessary. Anyone who says otherwise eats babies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2while the cost may be in the ballpark of being correct., this cost would be shared with all of the ISP's. BUt just like why we wont go metric system, no company wants to put out money to make such a change, regardless of the efficiency it brings and the security. Unless there is a killer appliction for IPv6 that will make them a lot of money back, you can forget about it.
- dan_cameron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Cheaper then a war.
- mendicant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They could easily pay for this. Just take a couple days off on the Iraq War and BAM! IPv6 for everyone.
- andrew.bell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The killer app for IPv6 is anycast. Any IP address in IPv6 can be a "multicast" address, instead of just Class D. All we have to do now is get ours ISPs to enable multicast...Imagine what that could do for content distibution. Live TWIT from a 1Mbps up DSL connection to millions of viewers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lyph3- The US INVENTED IPv6 7 years ago, it's just nobody uses it. For exactly the same reasons.
- nnonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@obrienslalom
You are correct however, two real issues remain. First, the adoption of IPv6 won't stop the continued adoption of NAT and second, a global switch won't happen until everyone can see the end is near and unfortunately the adoption of NAT has slowed the speed at which we are approaching impending doom. - Osiriscky3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1um i gotta agree with stokestack.
but IPv6 is the *****. Just imagine being born with your very own IP address ;) food for thought - nnonix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ahhh .... this whole IPv6 thing started before the huge adoption of NAT devices. My company at one time held 158 class C allocations and are now down to 32. The IPv6 thing won't happen for a long time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Uptake of IPv6 has been pathetically slow.
If the US were serious about IPv6, obtaining large blocks of portable IP address space should be something that the average joe could at low or no cost (we're talking 1500 IP addresses for every square meter of earth's surface, there's absolutely no reason go around dolling out address space in an IANA/ICANN top-down, hierarchical manner).
Beyond that, all I really have to say about the figure quoted is that cisco is going to make a killing... (tech shows up with a can of spray paint and a laptop... with the laptop he flashes your router and then he spray paints your router a new shade of cisco blue to make you think you actually got something for your $1500 "upgrade") - spade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1^ Sorry should have been better about that, less subtle I guess. ;) It was satire, all satire. If we're paying taxes already might as well put it to infrastructure. Infrastructure is always a loss, but it's time we rebuild America. Just my two cents!
- xenoputtss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would much like to see legislation that mandates that all ISPs in america must be IPv6 compliant by FY2009, then say the requirement for all broadcast tv to be digital.
- dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And what is the cost of NOT doing it? Might suck when the government can't add any more computers to their networks because the IPs are already being used.
- obrienslalom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@nnonix
using NAT is not a very good solution to address depletion. Each node is still operating on a single public address. This creates obvious problems in terms of collision and traffic forwarding. I would hate to force people to contact their admin everytime they want a private direct connection with another machine. NAT and DHCP work well for the time being, however, the increased desire to connect to the internet with many devices (eg. next gen cell phones, pda's, and laptops) will put too heavy of a burdon on IPv4, even with NAT or DHCP. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The US Government footing the bill means "Taxes go up"..
- FutureAEI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It will only cost $75 Billion if the Federal government does it (converting their own servers will cost $65B, the rest is earmarked for all of the other corporate domain servers on the Internet.)
- mshelton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Zethris - The barriers to change for IPv6 and the Metric System are DRASTICALLY different. The foremost difference being the fact that 99% of the world's nations are not using IPv6 but they are using the Metric system. I don't have numbers, so I can't say how much it would cost to change every single map, sign, piece of mapping/navigation software/hardware, etc. just to convert them to kilometers instead of miles . My guess is, including re-purchase of these items by consumers, the cost would be well over $75bn.
Is this IPv6 upgrade cost only measured in work hours to upgrade DNS servers to BIND 9 and software cost to upgrade desktops to either OS X or WinXP? Are they including the cost of upgrading all software that EVER uses an IP address rather than letting the network layer handle IP traffic, or... The number seems really random, and on top of that the article actually says $25-75bn, which is a HUGE range on which to be basing any reaction. - cosmicdreams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A question I've often pondered is what can an average IPv6 enthusiast do to quicken the pace of adoption? I mean other than evangelizing the benefits of the technology.
Since the interent is merely a network of networks, can I setup my own network in my house using IPv6 so that it continues to work with my ISP's IPv4 infrastructure. Does implementing this offer any benefits over IPv4? Does anyone have any links if so? - spade, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I love this threads because they always go into the political. Listen, the elephant party wants the government to be out of your life, seeing fit for business to do the work instead of what our taxpayers are used for. Yet, sadly, the bottom line isn't always to reason to do things. Here are my humble thoughts on business taking over infrastructure in this country.
This has worked really well, our roads, freeway and overall infrastructure is one of the best in the world. I know that businesses have stepped up to modify the Mississippi levy system, including the fine work the corp of engineers did around New Orleans, thanks for the donations big business. Boy, lucky big business invested in those levee's to take on that category 4 hurricane. It's also been great that big business understands that it's not all about making a profit. We here in the United States should be proud that our airports are cutting edge as well, lucky that we invested in increasing the size of our smaller airports.
I just have to stand up for this to know that our health care system ranks very high so every American can get the health care they need. It's great to know that the medication for the elderly and young are provided at no to little cost. And to boot it's great that all the major corporations and every business in this country include wonderful health care benefits. Walmart comes to mind as a very fine company to work for. Look into the 401k as well, wonderful.
I hear you humming God Bless America. Stand proud America that we are one of the most technologically advanced societies in the world. I laugh out loud that our bandwidth here in this country crushes every small country, particularly those in Asia. My up-time and torrent files thank you big business. The bottom line is this, if you want something done leave to big business. I love the fact I have so many cable and cell phone choices to choose from, really keeps the prices down. I love the fact that we as Americans can just run out and get any phone we want, then choose the providers. Can you imagine any other way????
So to answer you're question, should the US shift to IPv6 absolutely, let the government keep doing what they do so well, invest back into this country. Dare to invest in ourselves. If you don't like where you taxpayer money is going speak up. If you want it to go back into this country in a meaningful way, then speak up. I'm not advocating for more taxes, just spending what we have better. Thumbs up on IPv6. - jhaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@stokestack: spade was being facetious...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0spades comments reflect somes opinions too, so I wouldn't put it past him if he seriously believes that. Otherwise it was very good satire.
@mshelton, the really are not that disimilar. Honestly, to change to the metric system would really be about the same right now, because already to interact with the rest of the world, where most of the money is made, we had to spent millions or billins in conversion anyways, through education, labeling, etc. many things. changing road signs and such, I think that possibly there might be more hardware conversions that need to be made than roadsigns to be changed for going to IPv6 compared to road sign updates. bugeted to maybe $2billion per state would make enough changes to be metric that other things will fall in place, and businesses will finally make the change the rest of the way themselves. Why? becuase they would ahve to to stay in business. Only then would it make them more money to change to the metric system.
Same for IPv6, the only time it will change is when it will make them more money because IPv4 is being forced to be obsoleted. - darkmane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have a feeling that this is the number for the government and only the government updating legacy apps on legacy hardware to be IPv6 aware. It's always legacy that is the most painful, especially the really old legacy stuff.
Updating of network infrastructure will be expensive, but ultimately beneficial to ISPs. In addition it will come in over time as they EOL their routers. There will eventually be a jump to make, but it will not be as if they have to replace all their routers at once. - obrienslalom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The switch can be incremental. All current OS's and routers are coming shipped w/ IPv6 now. All it takes is to have it activated. Amazingly enough, IPv6 can be compatible w/ the infrastructure used right now. Anyone ever see this ::'IPv4' or the other way ::ffff:'IPv4'. With a few header mods, IPv6 networks can forward IPv6 addresses compatible w/ IPv4 hardware.
Of course the switch should take place, unless we all prefer to have a DHCP to make us all wait for someone to log off so we can surf the web on our computer mobile device....ha - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Jesus, they can't take a dump with out it costing us a few million...
- CadMasterAdam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@jhaven
i'm with jhaven.. make love not war. ***** - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1jhaven- your hypocrisy is even more astounding. You do, with your ignorant words, exactly what you blame the other for doing. And it's obviouse you DID forget. I gaurantee you, all 3500+ people who died there, even IF they are, or were, members of your sick and perverted liberal minded church, cry out for the blood of those who took their lives right this moment.
Terrorists are being killed. BUt just like in times of old, when evil is being killed, some good people die too unfortunatly. But they have nothing to fear, because they die free and clean before the eyes of God.
Oh, I forgot, you probably don't believe in God, you think you are too smart for Him. This is an asumption, but frankly with the arrogance, and ignorance you shew in your comment, it tells me a lot about you. - Handcannons, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Hell, why not? They spent more than that fighting a war on a false pretext."
That would be the pretext that every intelligence agency in the world agreed to 3 years ago right? Open your mind and stop swallowing everything the "we hate Bush" press sends out and you might learn something. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1""The U.S. government is running around, KILLING TERRORISTS. The same terrorists who ran planes into our buildings, in case you forgot."
Your ignorance is astounding..."
Wow, guess what clown, if you don't like the US, or the way they run things, then leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay here. Get a job elsewhere, move, nobody wants clowns like you here anyway. I'm sick of all the liberal pansies in this country. At least I'm doing something, unlike the liberals, as well as 'liberal arts' people. But hey, at least you goofballs will make my office look pretty. We get ***** done. Period.
Oh yeah, and $75 billion is the Government's figure. In reality it could be rolled out for under a billion, no doubt. No need to replace most hardware, firmware upgrades etc will make use of that. The other $74 billion will go to the deep pockets of the higher-ups. - stokestack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"I love the fact I have so many cable and cell phone choices to choose from, really keeps the prices down. I love the fact that we as Americans can just run out and get any phone we want, then choose the providers."
What planet do you live on? Basic cable is $60 and is a local MONOPOLY! You LIKE that? And your phone example is totally wrong as well. Not only is this nation a quilt of incompatible networks, but phones are priced astronomically UNLESS you buy from a provider who LOCKS the phone and renders it inoperative with other providers even where the system is compatible.
It is people like you who are falling down on the job and NOT FIGHTING BACK. Unbelievable ignorance.
WAKE UP! - mbwilliamson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Could a Slashdot article not be on Digg for once?
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1jhaven: why is that ignorance? It's quite true. The U.S. military is in fact constantly performing counter-terrorist actions. So please explain why greymarch was "ignorant". Thanks.
- duestown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yeah... stokesack... not very good at detecting sarcasm, are you?
Anyway, I've been modding -1 to anything not related to IPv6. Stay on topic, people.
Let's find a way to decrease the cost of this vital upgrade. - BCD7b7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Where do you think the "US government" gets its money. Just a clue... it might be taxes, which comes from the US citizen.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Hmmm... end nation-wide poverty, or use IPV6?
- jhaven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"The U.S. government is running around, KILLING TERRORISTS. The same terrorists who ran planes into our buildings, in case you forgot."
Your ignorance is astounding... - Greymarch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2The U.S. government is running around, KILLING TERRORISTS. The same terrorists who ran planes into our buildings, in case you forgot.
Lets spend more money killing the people who want to kill us. IPv6 is worthless, if we are all dead. - verres, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0It's amazing to see that after all this time, and all that happened, there are still some freaks left that believe the U.S. are waging a war on terror. Just one question: If this is a war for freedom and justice, why do you operate illegal prison facilities in OUR countries, as we just lately had to find out?
Sicerely, an old European. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Oh. =/
I hope only the US government has to foot the bill. XD
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http://www.mediahug.com/ - jhaven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0"I gaurantee you, all 3500+ people who died there, even IF they are, or were, members of your sick and perverted liberal minded church, cry out for the blood of those who took their lives right this moment."
actually, the official count is around 2900 for 9/11. but interestingly enough, the current war in Iraq has cost almost as many american lives as 9/11. Not to mention the 30,000+ innocent iraqi civilians. or the fact that the war has led to a more insecure world, and fostered a new breeding ground for the very terrorists the US is trying to fight. - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0"The terrorists were mostly Saudi, I don't see the US attacking Saudi Arabia, do you?"
Patience, patience! Damn! :) - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0"I was going to reply individually, but you're all pretty much jumping on the same wagon.
The current war HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. You're ***** retarded if you think otherwise. Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to 9/11."
Glad someone said it before I did....
" Bush could say/imply anything and you'd believe him. malakin"
You don't live here in the states do you? - jhaven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I was going to reply individually, but you're all pretty much jumping on the same wagon.
The current war HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. You're ***** retarded if you think otherwise. Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to 9/11. - sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0It's not cheaper than a war! America GETS MONEY from wars.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0greymarch: you're my hero.
- Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Quote - "The U.S. government is running around, KILLING TERRORISTS. The same terrorists who ran planes into our buildings, in case you forgot."
Wow you're really clueless aren't you? Bush could say/imply anything and you'd believe him. The terrorists were mostly Saudi, I don't see the US attacking Saudi Arabia, do you?
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