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- error403, on 10/12/2007, -20/+138I wonder when every other country in the world is going to stop bending over and taking it up the ass from the US...
- rishubhav, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64Well at least we can have a party called the "Pirate Party"
- Akyan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+60Here is a link to one of the many companies who have been indiscriminately had there servers taken:
http://www.gameswitch.co.uk/02-06-2006.htm
They say that even though they are not actually linked with TPB at all the police have requested there administrator passwords so they can "check out" their servers without having to dismantle them. This they say would then give the police access to "data we possess; our financial records, software products, details of our customers and also of individuals who have visited our website" with no reason at all.
Pretty Insane - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -5/+56thank god there's no facist superpower in north america.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+56Link is down, article reads:
"This is a list of all civil rights violations that happened in relation to the raid on The Pirate Bay’s Servers 5 days ago. The list is, despite the title, only of currently known civil rights violations and wrongs, which means that if there are any unknown ones at this point, they aren’t covered in this article.
1. This was ordered by the MPAA through the White House through the Swedish Government. Prosecutors and police knew they couldn’t act against TPB, but were ordered to anyway. Double or triple fault.
2. Thomas Bodström, minister of justice, gives direct orders regarding specific cases. (This may be a bit odd for foreigners to understand, but ministers aren’t heads of their departments here; they represent the departments to the government, which writes general rules. It is absolutely forbidden for a minister to interfere in a specific case). He has later gone on record denying this.
3. In direct violation with Swedish judiciary custom, the raid takes place.
4. From an investigatory point of view, there is no reason at all to close down TPB. They are completely open and transparent with what they are doing, and the BitTorrent protocol description is public. From an investigation standpoint, there is nothing additional to be gained by shutting down TPB.
5. At the raid, not only TPB’s servers were seized; ALL servers were seized. The server room is emptied. This has caused 200-300 individuals and businesses to have their machines and servers seized for the indefinite future for the crime of being in the same room as an accused.
6. At the raid, the Pirate Bureau’s servers were seized, too. The Pirate Bureau is a forum for public debate and a think tank in copyright related issues. In this case, the media industry has used the Swedish police force to shut down an opponent in the public debate.
7. At the raid, Mikael Viborg is arrested. Mikael Viborg is TPB’s legal counsel, and has nothing to do with the operations of the site.
8. Mikael Viborg was forced to give a DNA sample during interrogation. While this is allowed when one is accused of a crime that can result in a prison term, the law says that every such privacy violation must always be weighed against the investigative need. In this case, a DNA sample is impossibly necessary to investigate a copyright infringement case. It must only have been used for pure harassment.
9. At the raid, one of the servers seized was the one hosting the Chechen site Kavkaz Center. This site is a registered news site, and as such, enjoys constitutional freedom-of-the-press protection. Seizing it was a direct violation of the Swedish Constitution. When confronted with this fact, police say that they will prioritize searching this server in order to return it quickly. This statement is later nullified as a court slaps the prosecutor forcibly on the wrist by voiding the seize effective immediately.
10. Henrik Pontén, spokesman of the Anti-Pirate Bureau, claims that the real target was the opinion building community the Pirate Bureau, that TPB was at the bottom of the barrel anyway. This has later been publicly denied as a misquote. Henrik Pontén apparently loves taking it up the ass from CowboyNeal.
11. Gottfrid Svartholm, one of the operators of TPB, was denied a public defender, on the reason that he did not risk a jail term. However, to stage a raid like this, you need jail term on the scale or the police can’t do it. Additionally, compare Mikael Viborg’s DNA sample, which was motivated by the possible jail sentence.
12. HÃ¥kan Roswall, the public prosecutor, responded on national television about what will happen to all of the unrelated servers: “We will mirror all of them and start looking through the information. If there is no interesting information to us there, we will return them.”. The police has no right whatsoever to search servers unrelated to the raid for which they had a warrant. So, not only are innocent bystanders’ servers seized; the police also intend to search them thorougly.
13. Henrik Pontén from the Anti-Pirate Bureau was present at the raid. What gives him the right to be present at a police action?
14. During the raid, the police covered up the surveillance cameras, which can be seen on videos available online now. Fortunately, these videos were transferred to other locations beforethe police siezed them. Why did the police cover the cameras, if the raid was legal and constitutional?
The list was originally compiled by Anders Gardebring and translated and expanded by Rickard Falkvinge, the leader of The Swedish Pirate Party. Thanks to both of you." - mycatsboots, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47If the list is true, TPB would probably have grounds for a good countersuit.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44I wouldn't think the US was a laughingstock anymore than a toddler with a chainsaw running through a paraplegic convention is funny.
OK, maybe it is. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+56Oh, I think we're well into the stoppage of other countries taking it. The U.S. has become a laughingstock, and we can certainly blame the Bush administration for that. As Europe and China realize their increasing power, the U.S. will become less and less relevant or feared.
Not only do we look overbearing yet stupid, but now we can add evil and militarily incompetent. Iraq is a complete fiasco, but we sure took care of innocent villagers.
Oh yeah, how about the giant trade deficit, when the dollar is weaker than ever and U.S. goods are CHEAPER for other countries? That's right, no one wants what we're selling, which is fewer hard goods and more empty foolish bluster every day. - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37We are in the process of writing howtos for the rest of Europe.
In other news, the election analysts (the Gurus) just went on record saying that file sharing will be this year's hot election topic. If that is true, then try to make us not reach Parliament - we are the only one party who understands the issue. :-)
/ Rick (leader of the Pirate Party) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Indeed they do, and I hope they actually do it.
And damnit, a few minutes on digg and the site's down. Thank goodness for Duggmirror. - numba1xclusive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32i hope TPB kicks some ass. this is despicable.
- Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32"Is this making much press outside tech circles?"
It's been the front-page several-inside-pages story in all national media since the raid happened. The Pirate Party has grown by 3,000 members in just three days since the raid; more than doubled in size. I was on national television six times across all channels in the past three days, and am going up again tomorrow for a longer discussion on the morning news.
/ Rick (leader of the Pirate Party)
PS: Oh and btw, there is a diggable story in the cloud with my speech from Saturday's demonstration. If you have time, I recommend you take a look at it. It puts things in a very necessary perspective. The story's name is "Pirate Chief: It's about control of culture and knowledge" or something very similar. - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35mirror
http://www.duggmirror.com/links/Complete_List_of_Civil_Rights_Violations_Regarding_The_Pirate_Bay_Raid/ - treks, on 10/12/2007, -11/+38Nice to know we live in the free and civilized world of "The West", eh?
- Wandel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27I just love how the Swedish government spends our tax money on sending 50 police men to seize legal servers, only to having to use our tax money to pay for the damage done.
- error403, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Only problem is... do you think the Democrats will be any better? What really needs to happen is for people to open their eyes and break the duopoly on power in the US gov't. Vote for minority parties, actually research who you vote for... But DON'T just vote for someone because the other guy would be worse... That is how we have ended up in this situation - corrupt Republicans and corrupt Republican-wannabes.
- matthewsr2000, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31i agree with eror403. governments around the world need to get a clue and stop letting the "Corporate States of America" push them around.
i mean really, what is the US going to do to them if they don't stop piracy? slap them with a trade embargo?!? that's so far beyond stupid that it sickens me to put it out there as a possibility.
I'M an American, and i sure hope that they'll give the US the middle finger just like every body else is doing these days. god only knows we deserve it on this one. - UltraPope, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25@Yoshi
TPB has a lot of advertisers - TPB is probably losing revenue on that part. Apart from that, there's all the breaches of privacy, constitutional breaches, etc. Those they can probably spin into a fun and exciting lawsuit, with good times to be had by all! =D - darkclarity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27That sounds like a right mess. Say you are a company making hundreds of thousands of dollars per day from a website and your server is wrongly stolen by the police, would they be fully responsible for the cash? Or would it go higher up?
- Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26They should really do a countersuit. That would make people think twice before trying to bully thinking "well, the MPAA has my back...".
- Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28No, it won't. And I'll make sure it doesn't. I, and the thousands of other people in the pirate movement. What, do you think you can make people unlearn what it's like to be free?
/ Rick Falkvinge - Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31If all this stuff is true then I hope the Gov't in Sweden pays for it ... Despite the fact that yes the pirate bay is technically commiting or helping others to commit piracy the fact is Swedish laws don't forbid this action. The gov't could have tried to change thier laws(I'm not sure what system of Gov't Sweden uses .. I'm assuming something like the parlimentary system) but instead they gave into pressure and did what the US and the MPAA/RIAA requested. I truly hope the citizens of Sweden make their Gov't feel the heat from this in their next election. .. Everyone everywhere really needs to take a stronger intrest in Politics ...
- SnowSurfns, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27this could only happen in another country, in the US thepiratebay would be considered terrorists (remember the commerical that file sharing funds terrorism, god only knows how but they said it on tv so it must be true) and they would just mysteriously disappear from the web like they weren't there at all.
/sarchasm - Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26Once the police seize the servers they're ruined anyways. Do you trust them to no put rootkits on them so they can backdoor in as they please?
- Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19@TwinklyJesus:
This is true and I blame the Swedish gov't for the handling of the raid as well as violating their laws and as I said those elected officals should feel the wrath of the voters. I doubt the US is sending Aid to Sweden but I'm sure there's been some communication from the State dept. and maybe not a direct threat but more of a "well such and such a trade agreement is coming up .. It'd be a shame if we had to go do business somewhere else." Or yes the possiblity of legal action as well as you stated. However you can't deny that American gov't officals [probably] exercted some form of pressure causing the Swedish gov't to circumvent their laws. - rauz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28http://www.duggmirror.com/links/Complete_List_of_Civil_Rights_Violations_Regarding_The_Pirate_Bay_Raid/
- Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@twinklyjesus:
What you say is true but we all know that the US Gov't can excert a lot of pressure on other countries to do things because the US feels threatened by them. But as you say all the Gov't can do is ask which is why I stated that the Swedish people should make their feelings known during elections and why I stressed that all people in every country(regardless of your political views) should participate in the democratic process and also hold our elected officals responsable when things like this do happen. - unitedkronos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20We need more Pirate Partys to form around Europe, I'd happily join and help out the 'UKPP' if there was one.
- lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -35/+52You can't blame the US for other countries willingly taking their "advice".
- Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18It would seem inevitable that if the general public of Sweden were embroiled in a debate about the issue, that this would strengthen the resolve of the people against this form of foreign tampering and involvement in their affairs.
I definately look forward to having the equipment returned to all businesses involved so they can make their public statements on the issue without fear of reprisal....and to see the overall reaction by the public.
Is this making much press outside tech circles? It would be a frightful shame if, as a continuance of their influence, the MPAA managed to convince the major press networks within North America not to publicize this mess. - bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Everyone ignores that what they were doing was legal in their country, and the police did go through ALL of these illegal acts. Just because its illegal here in the US doesn't mean it HAS to be illegal there, nor does it mean our industry has anything to do with governing countries. Oh thats right, you all WANT this country to bend you over and make you our bitches. Just so you can complain about that.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Hah... Bush is the sock puppet of tyranny!
- Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Diggable story with my demonstration speech about this:
http://digg.com/technology/Pirate_Chief_speaks:_It_s_all_about_control_over_culture_and_knowledge_
Do take your time to read it. It puts things in perspective. - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15You seem to not notice that nowhere in this is the legality of The Pirate Bay discussed. This list only concerns the rights violations during the raid, not the law question of their operations.
From your eagerness to jump out and suggest they got everything they deserved, I'd say you missed quite the point. We weren't discussing TPB. We were discussing the innocent bystanders here, as well as misuse of police powers. - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Otherland, you seem to forget that there's one thing that trumps money. There is just one, but it is a silver bullet trump card.
Votes.
And people are just now discovering the Pirate Party. We couldn't have bought this kind of publicity.
/ Rick - analgesia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15You might want to consider spreading your servers over several (nonrelated) server-parks. Preferably in different countries. :-(
- Scab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15PRQ, the ISP, can sue though, and so can the innocent companies affected by the raid.
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"what happens if an FBI official decides to run one and track every connection to it?"
The same thing that would happen if an FBI official (or RIAA/MPAA employee) loaded up uTorrent, downloaded a torrent file, and tracked every connection it makes.
And what on earth makes you think they don't? BitTorrent is in no way anonymous. - UltraPope, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14As opposed to the inherently good ideology that gets America (and my own home country of Denmark) to butcher people on the other side of the planet for profit?
The same inherently good ideology that ensures that America helps Israel torture and suppress the Palestinian people?
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The world isn't black and white. You're both wrong. - xenoputtss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Well thankfully Bush won't be elected next term since he isn't allowed to serve more then 2 terms.
But other posters here have it right, it isn't Bush's fault here. It is america. The government of america is becomeing a puppet show for large corporations. What really needs to happen is better laws regulating how corporations work with the government, and a change back to the american free market. Companies should not be allowed to own concepts, and not allowed to own designs forever. - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16No wonder you guys don't understand what is happening in Sweden.
- Dimensio, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"They are distributing the works of others. "
Incorrect. Their website was distributing no copyrighted works apart from their own. Moreover, the raid involved the seisure of servers in use by completely unrelated customers. There is no justification for such a thing.
Perhaps if you actually knew of which you spoke, you would carry credibility. As it is, you do not, and are speaking from a position of total ignorance. - VickyB, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20"I wonder when every other country in the world is going to stop bending over and taking it up the ass from the US..."
When the sheep wake up and vote Bush out!! The world will have more respect for america when you remove that chimp from Office. Role on the investigations when the Democrats get in. Now all we need to do is the same over here with B.Liar... - Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"During the raid, the police covered up the surveillance cameras, which can be seen on videos available online now. Fortunately, these videos were transferred to other locations beforethe police siezed them. Why did the police cover the cameras, if the raid was legal and constitutional?"
That's a REALLY good question. - Panna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Only for the rest of Europe? How about one for the Americas? Copyrights and patents don't work here too, you know, and without a major change in America unfortunate incidents like this one will only happen again. Change needs to happen everywhere. We're all in the same boat.
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15"so what's the point of this 'respect'?"
Less planes flying into buildings? - BETA7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10wtf is this? they tell us that if we download somethign we will be sued for it but htey can ilegaly go in there and take what htey want? wtf if i were one of the owners of those innocent servers i would sue them so badly, downloading ilegal stuff is wrong to a point but when the so called do gooders go in there against the law to stop this and piss other people off how is that right?
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The **AA must be really sweating now to judge by the number of paid Schills and Astroturfers betraying their fellow man with their boilerplate lies and false patriotic whining in this forum.
This is a huge public relations disaster - the pirate bay taunted them rotten and those greedy power mad mediacrats took the bait - HoHo.
(They'll probably have to sue a lot more little children to get their composure back)
The **AA has destroyed any utility copyright might have had for artists and society. Only an imbecile (or a paid stooge) could maintain that they are benefiting anyone except themselves (and even this is doubtful) by their actions.
It is now a matter of civil disobedience to pirate media. We want our rights back. Rights stolen by then DCMA EUCD and endless extensions of the 'limited' term of copyright.
Remeber each extension to copyright duration is a direct theft from the PUBLIC DOMAIN - we made a contract that they could have a 'limited' monopoly on publication in return for new works entering the Public Domain. Then they just change the law. That is Theft, quite clearly - COPYRIGHT IS THEFT FROM THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
People are wakeing up to just how badly their lives are affected by pointless laws designed to protect cartels who quite clearly have little interest in producing culture other than the money it makes.
Welcome to the Backlash you greedy pigs.
Any artist who is 'represented' by the copyright cartel is a collaborator with their evil schemes, Canadian stars have begun to shout 'Not in My Name'.
Access to culture is a basic human right.
Without culture there is no society.
Sharing culture binds us together - gives us shared values and humanity, civilises the world.
If you prevent people from cultural access they will turn to other more extreme forms such as extremist religion and politics.
Culture and Good music is what keeps us all civilised.
And don't spraf on with lies about culture not getting made or artists not getting paid. The copyright cartels steal more money from artists than anyone else, binds and blackmails creatives into contracts which may prevent them from releasing work at all if it may conflict with BRITNEY's marketing plan. They make art not from passion and the soul but the copybook.
The Draconian laws they introduce made supposedly to stop these victimless crime ( a listener is NOT a lost sale but maybe a new fan and a potential sale !) but as we see here they will be used to silence dissenting views and new challenging art forms like sampling and mashups.
They are power mad, the laws already passed will prevent much Beauty from spreading in the world. They are the heralds of a new dark age of thought control.
Disney, Paramount, Time Warner, Fox, Columbia, ABC, NBC, and CBS and Turner have stated that skipping commercials is theft.
Yes if your children do not watch the adverts for sugar and corn syrup tell them they are bad and will be taken away - you better or they will sue you for their college fund.
All these laws are just to beat everyman, small businesses, stop innovation and open source.
Piracy is a necessary freedom - without sharing there is no society.
Make no mistake this a fight for freedom - it is not about money for bad art. - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9For sure. Hollywood has decided it is going to protect it's so yesterday technology with laws. Copyright law is a mess and then lump DMCA and mandatory DRM and hollystupid will get what it wants. Consumers won't like it and with a bit of luck it won't sell. I'd be surprised if HDDVD or Blu-Ray gets any more traction than UMD,DualDisc,Divx,SACD,DVDaudio etc. Since CD/DVD hollystupid has acted like cavemen regarding technology they suck on the web and thats why PB & mininova are HUGE.
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I love you man! *weeps* Kick some ass!
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