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- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -6/+113So what am I paying for for "unlimited" use?
Sounds like Comcast is begging for a class action suit. - Mesach, on 08/22/2008, -4/+82It's not neutral, if I pay more for a faster service than my neighbor, then why should I be penalized because I'm using it to its fullest potential?
- austin63, on 08/21/2008, -5/+81So the people that use, and likely need the faster speeds, will be punished and the ones who would probably be happy with DSL anyway will be rewarded. BRILLIANT! That way no one will be using the "better" service you offer when they want it.
BTW I live in a densely populated area and have found DSL throughput is just as fast as Comcast. - thegrantman, on 08/22/2008, -1/+71If Comcast slows me down they should reduce my bill.
- Darkknight512, on 08/22/2008, -2/+60These people are stealing, they offered you 1 mbit for $30, I BETTER get my full 1 mbit (if it is available [slow speed due to other people on the network is fine]) but intentional slowing you down because you use your internet to its full potential? that's down right robbery.
- sliksta, on 08/21/2008, -6/+61deprioritized?????
That would assume you were getting priority in the first place which you were not. comcast is trying for a monopoly on lying I think. - Mesach, on 08/22/2008, -1/+51I don't get it, I have a 4 foot diameter water pipe servicing my house from the local reservoir, but i'm only allowed to use as much as my garden hose puts out?
Don't offer such HUGE bandwidth if you cannot support it.
When I lived in California(2 years ago), I had cable and opted for the 8/2 tier service, every time i would consistently get slow speeds, i would run a bunch of speed tests, then I would contact Cox and complain and they would credit my account for a month.
If you are paying a premium for service, then YOU, the consumer should expect that service delivered, not given to you at a lower rate because you are using that service to its fullest potential. - psychicsailboat, on 08/21/2008, -0/+41so far, i have not had the hammer drop on my connection.
i have the 16/2 tier, and when i am grabbing some bits, it get the full 16 the entire time.
i will be pissed if/when this technique starts hitting me. - StinkyGrinch, on 08/22/2008, -2/+42I'll stick with my Fios.
- ScareCrow87, on 08/22/2008, -0/+29No they won't. That's the problem, Comcast pulls this crap in areas where there are no other options. I for one detest Comcast but the only other option is dial-up, which won't do. I'm looking to move to a completely new area in the next year and am seriously considering factoring in Comcast/No Comcast in my decision-making.
- MorganMghee, on 08/21/2008, -4/+33it's just a way to charge more money for the same service. FIND ANOTHER ISP!
- Premier, on 08/22/2008, -1/+25Looks like a lot of people will be saying goodbye to comcast
- Amazetbm, on 08/22/2008, -0/+22If they "deprioritize" a user's speed intentionally for a period of time, they need to reduce and prorate the user's bill to match as well..."up the maximum charge" of their plan.
- kkuphal, on 08/21/2008, -1/+22I'm not sure what kind of DSL you find but most I've seen cap out at 3Mbps while Comcast regularly sells 4Mb-8Mb service with bursting beyond that.
That being said, I hate Comcast with the heat of a thousand suns which is why I'm still on 1.5Mbps DSL at home. - xcheats, on 08/22/2008, -0/+21It'd be nice if I could. I think I speak for myself and many others in my situation in saying that there aren't any other viable options than Comcast. In my area its either Comcast or Dial-Up. No other ISPs are allowed in my city due to Comcast's lobbying.
- mrroarke, on 08/22/2008, -2/+22Can I "deprioritize" my payment during periods of heavy bills? Or how about every time Comcast raises its rates, I pay a dollar a month for two months?
- dagamer34, on 08/22/2008, -0/+20Problem with this approach is that if you pay more for faster speeds and Comcast decides to deprioritize you for actually USING your connection to take advantage of those speeds, then it sounds a lot like thievery to me.
- jmhyer51, on 08/22/2008, -0/+20Lucky bastard..
Anybody remember saying that to people with ISDN lines? - MrM000Cow, on 08/22/2008, -3/+22I pay for the speed why the ***** cant i use it.....
- xceptionaly, on 08/22/2008, -1/+18Comcast: We like to make you pay for lots of bandwidth and then take it away should you actually dare to use it!
- neoLeech, on 08/22/2008, -0/+16sounds like a rip off to me
also very anti competitive, itunes traffic for free? - Mesach, on 08/22/2008, -0/+16I'd hit my peak in 4 days(and that's conservative) with that plan.
- kagebutsu, on 08/22/2008, -1/+14man ***** comcast, and ***** t mobile while im at it.
- xGeneric, on 08/22/2008, -0/+12I can see it both ways. Yes network congestion can be a big problem, and despite all the legit uses, there's lots of bandwidth going towards sharing illegal stuff. However, the problems I have with it are...
1. They advertise "Unlimited" internet. You cannot use the word "Unlimited", and then limit something, without being a hypocritical douche.
2. This is just to get around the fact that they're to unwilling to upgrade their network. The better solution for the users, is not to start limiting them, but to do whatever possible to accommodate their growing needs. However, the more profitable solution is to just flip them the bird and start taking away the "Unlimited" speed they pay for.
3. They use Illegal P2P bandwidth as their major example of why this is a good idea. Well, yeah, lots of the bandwidth is Illegal software, however you'd have to be an idiot not to understand the rate at which bandwidth is being consumed by all types of uses. Voice/Video conferencing, OS Updates, Game/App Demos, Internet Radio/TV... I mean the list goes on, and I doubt the internet is going to see a drop in users anytime soon. Major upgrades are going to be required in the not to distant future, so quick slacking and get on that. Turn it into a marketing point "Comcast, the most advanced network in America, with truly unlimited Internet".
They advertise "Unlimited" internet, throttle your bandwidth when you try to take advantage of said package, then throw you a piss poor excuse as to why they're doing it. And I know the response, "Well, most people using that bandwidth are sharing something illegal", and however true that may or may not be, it makes no bit of difference unless they start clearly advertising their internet as "limited". - smartmlp, on 08/22/2008, -0/+12You are missing the point. They give you something and then take it away without adjusting the price to compensate. This is not right. You are basically saying this is ok since it doesn't affect you, the problem with it is if you give companies an inch they take a mile.
- stoanhart, on 08/21/2008, -25/+36"When the network equipment detects a state approaching congestion, it identifies the heaviest current users of the system based on their last few minutes of use [no historic profiling] and then deprioritizes their packets for periods of between 10 and 20 minutes. Only total bandwidth is used to make the calculation, not the use of particular protocols apps or protocols. "
This seems like an entirely reasonable and acceptable practice to me. Before anybody shouts "Net Neutrality", this IS neutral. - Dragular, on 08/22/2008, -0/+10Points 3 and 4 say the same thing.
- jasenlee, on 08/22/2008, -0/+10I live in Chicago and just switched to RCN last week because they:
1. are cheaper
2. are faster (3 times faster)
3. don't seem to be run by Nazis.
4. are not Comcast - JonVisc, on 08/22/2008, -0/+9***** THING SUCKS
- DarkShroud, on 08/22/2008, -0/+9I just left Comcast on Tuesday. I had the 8/1 package and now have a 6/1 DSL package. My modem no longer needs to be reset several times a day and my connection doesn't die for hours at a time and AT&T gave me a free wireless gateway that I use for me Wii. That being said I miss those extra 2megs when downloading Rev3 HD podcasts. When Comcast wasn't messing with my traffic their speeds were worth it.
- xptoast, on 08/22/2008, -2/+11Look I have paid for a certain speed connection and I better get it. If I do not then I am not getting the services I paid for and therefore have a contract in which has been violated and molested to an extreme. It is like having your oil checked for a certain price then having them jack it up when you have your oil changed more often...or something like that. I hate telecoms.
- NikoKun, on 08/22/2008, -1/+9No, idiot... How about we simply GET what we PAID FOR!
I pay for a speed, I expect that speed WHENEVER I want it! - DarkShroud, on 08/22/2008, -1/+9@sirmasterboy, someone who knows that they are doing can add an .exe into audio files that will run at a certain point. There's a reason WMP has an option not to run scripts in audio/video files.
- xexx, on 08/22/2008, -0/+8Uh, it's uncompetitive to other music services that aren't itunes.
- pearcewg, on 08/22/2008, -1/+9This might be a little bit of a different angle, but to me...the selling point of these services is bandwidth and performance. If not for that, I would get an off the shelf DSL or Cell or something similar provider.
If they have all of these commercials promoting "high speed" and then choose to throttle accounts, it is really false advertising. I personally won't litigate, don't need to. They aren't the fastest game in town anymore, and they sell on a performance/speed angle. Just do them a favor and go with their angle...pick FIOS or anything faster.
Done and done. Pass me a cookie. - demizer, on 08/22/2008, -0/+8You lucky bastard.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -0/+8It's real simple. If my ISP pulls some ***** like this, I will tell them adios.
- hazeprophet, on 08/22/2008, -0/+8Honestly, Comcast can say it doesn't do this or that, but from personal experience they are not being truthful. I have Comcast broad band and have for years.. over the last 12 months or so I had some heavy downloading periods and my entire connection has gotten throttled for the remainder of that billing period.
It's pretty obvious when my connection drops to 30kbps no matter what site I try and download from. Suddenly my broadband can't even stream Youtube and other such sites. They can say what they will about their unlimited services or practices and such, but the bottom line is my connection is throttled and they aren't owning up to it. - sheeeeesh, on 08/22/2008, -0/+8researching a new ISP as we speak. bye comcast.
- DeathfireD, on 08/22/2008, -4/+12Except when everyone is downloading at 700Kb/s - 1Mb/s for an hour this means everyone is ultimately going to get downsized to DSL for "using to much bandwidth" that they already payed for.
- smotpoker1, on 08/22/2008, -3/+11***** Comcast I get 10 Megs don't touch my Web access.They are using the old 14.4-56k rules.Didn't our taxes pay for better wiring? Comcast STFU you don't own the internet and it sounds like you shot your leg off not the foot why don't you pick it up and insert it in mouth then ass.
- incubusbeatsall, on 08/22/2008, -1/+8Instead of limiting bandwidth, why don't they actually lay fiber or more lines. Pretty cheap if you ask me.
- JayRD, on 08/22/2008, -0/+7And what are the chances they will lower the bill too? What the ***** am I asking?! As if the ass wipes would do that! So far it's going very good with Verizon on my end.
- BlackCow, on 08/22/2008, -1/+8"have found DSL throughput is just as fast as Comcast. "
Thats interesting. Comcast is much faster then DSL in the sub-urban area I live in. - haikuFU, on 08/22/2008, -2/+9Actually, it would be more fair if it throttled everyone simultaneouly, even the people that weren't using it. If I pay for 50M, and my neighbor pays for 20M, I get throttled to 25M and he gets 10.
I've worked with the products they are likely testing, this is definitely possible to do. - thedragon4453, on 08/22/2008, -3/+10As much as I hate comcast, this doesn't seem to violate anything I can think of. You still get fill time access with a protocol agnostic approach. Unfortunately, Comcast doesn't guarantee speeds.
I still think the solution is that they need to lay some fiber, but this is a much better solution than their current "You're downloading a torrent? Not anymore!" approach. What I don't want though, is them throttling when there is no need to. I understand during peak volume, but if they throttle you at 3am when you are the only person on the node using bandwidth, that's *****.
*prepares for burial* - mikesoba, on 08/22/2008, -0/+7Of course they don't "guarantee" a speed. They expect you to pay for whatever level of service they want to provide to you. If subscriptions increase on your line, they can provide you less service at the same price while collecting additional money from the new subscribers. It's hardly a wonder that other nations are approaching, if not surpassing, the US in broadband use.
- insinuate, on 08/22/2008, -0/+6Lucky ***** bastard.
- demizer, on 08/22/2008, -0/+6I live in San Jose CA (i.e the SILICON VALLEY) and I can choose between Comcast, or AT&T.
This is *****. - groovadelic, on 08/22/2008, -1/+7The second I have a good ISP alternative, I'm gone!
Comcast has already cancelled my service once and I've already received calls about this account. Unlimited service... yeah right. -
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