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- goldfenix, on 10/25/2007, -2/+197Fortunately, setting uTorrent's encryption to "Forced" fixes the issue.
That said, I was in the Comcast office the other day so my roommate could add phone service. He was engaged in a discussion with the employee, and I noticed that they had a public terminal set up for customers to test out their broadband with. It was locked down fairly well, what with not having a Run command, disabling Ctrl-alt-del and other such tricks. But for some reason, the computer allowed downloads from the internet.
So I want to stress what I most definitely did *NOT* do. I certainly did NOT download uTorrent and set it to start downloading and seeding Die Hard 4 and then hide the uTorrent icon. No sir, all I did was access Google and leave. Nothing more, and if their local office gets a letter from the MPAA I had nothing to do with it. - mt066, on 10/25/2007, -1/+93"The company still claims that it is isn't blocking BitTorrent and other P2P traffic, just 'delaying it.' "
That isn't even a distinction. What about a roadblock? Your car will eventually get through if you just sit there and wait, but construction might take all day, or even several months. Regardless, it's still a roadBLOCK because it is BLOCKING your car. I think they are just trying to get away with the statement "we don't block traffic" but even that doesn't fit. - bigsexy359, on 10/25/2007, -4/+96God i hate Comcast! someone please someone out there give me another option, at this point i would take a tin can and a piece of wire if it dled porn fast enough...
- DeathfireD, on 10/25/2007, -1/+85"What did I do wrong?"
You block our damn traffic, that's what you do wrong bitch. - jlungu, on 10/25/2007, -1/+75Comcast = the next AOL
- doctorfungi, on 10/25/2007, -3/+62I did something like that in a store once. Only it involved Goatse.
- RedHerringHack, on 10/25/2007, -1/+57They are forging packets that reset the connection and sending it to both ends. The evidence is there. They are outright baldfaced lying to us. Bittorrent is the distribution model of the future. You cannot multicast from a single site and satisfy the peak bandwidth requirements. A peer to peer system is the only hope, as the internet and its user base balloons.
- deadbaby, on 10/25/2007, -3/+52What are they going to delay next? Competitors VOIP? Perhaps iTunes traffic? (naughty customer, you should pay for extra cable TV packages instead) Maybe just "delay" traffic to netflix.com. DVD rentals = less Pay Per View revenue.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -5/+43***** comcast.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -1/+35When is Google going to activate all that dark fiber?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/25/2007, -1/+33I don't see how this explanation can even be true. Delaying packets is classic bandwidth shaping. If you're using too much with one app, delay its packets a little, get the throughput down so other stuff can go. QoS works this way, and it can be used for good.
But forging RST packets doesn't delay existing packets, it kills connections. I don't see how this can be written off as "delaying". - vastrightwing, on 10/25/2007, -0/+29Comcast, let's be very clear here!
Your job is to route TCP/IP packets from one computer to the next router. Period. Doing anything to the packets, i.e. delaying them, stopping them, filtering them, modifying them, inspecting them, spoofing a server or end point is not your job.
Stop it! If you need more bandwidth to handle traffic, either get faster switches and a bigger pipe or don’t tell your customers you guarantee a specific speed. - tmessing, on 10/25/2007, -1/+29Not only do they block traffic they take it to the next level by spoofing packets to impersonate the party at the other end of the connection. Somebody needs to sue them to put a stop to this so it doesn't spread like cancer to the other ISPs. I'm guessing TimeWarner is next in line.
- Elohir, on 10/30/2007, -3/+31NO!
Net neutrality is GOOD. A tiered or discriminatory internet is BAD. - inactive, on 10/25/2007, -1/+26Good luck with that.
- TypeEE, on 10/25/2007, -1/+23All *****. If you advertise 6mbps/0.5, you should allow users to max out the bandwidth. If you can't handle the load, just don't claim it. If my experience is bad, I know how to cap my bandwidth for my p2p client.
- inactive, on 10/26/2007, -1/+21Because it IS dialup (upstream) and that 1 second latency blows goats. Satellite is for people with no phone line.
- inactive, on 10/30/2007, -1/+20I just delayed payment to your bill Comcast because I'm going to cancel your service.
- dasunst3r, on 10/25/2007, -2/+21What nobody has said thus far is that the 20-something, college student demographic is watching this incident unfold. Comcast is indeed shooting themselves in the foot because this said demographic embraces BitTorrent and P2P technologies, will eventually settle down somewhere, and take this into consideration when they choose their ISPs.
- toddritt, on 10/25/2007, -0/+17I'm a FIOS customer and my torrents work fine....for now anyway
- czeman, on 10/25/2007, -0/+17Hell, Comcast is making AOL look good.
- Aaronraw, on 10/25/2007, -3/+20Well, Comcast will have plenty of bandwidth once everyone dumps them on their ass.
- jerryn, on 10/25/2007, -2/+19man.. I use bittorent for Legal stuff. the latest ISO for developing code on the Nokia n800 is on bittorent. Now I now why the transfer was stalling and going back to seed more. DAMN comcast. I'm looking for an alternate provider. FIOS isn't available yet.
What we should do is write code that encapsulates p2p traffic in a standard http looking packet. It's easy enough to do. They can't block http - michaelnew20, on 10/25/2007, -1/+17Comcast has every excuse in the book. There's probably a manual for new employees with a list of excuses written in it!
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -2/+17So THIS is what MacGuyver does for fun. I would have imagined something much more elaborate involving a paper clip, a stick of gum and a water balloon though.
- kyleforeman, on 10/25/2007, -1/+16Verizon FIOS You Win!
- TheCosmicFool, on 10/25/2007, -1/+16BREAKING: Digg user verge is shooting net neutrality advocates in the foot by alerting Comcast of it shooting itself in the foot.
Let the corporation screw itself without warning it so it can turn the ship around! :P - DavidYeah, on 10/24/2007, -1/+15As opposed to telecom companies regulating and changing the internet at their whim? At least we users have SOME control over the government. We just have to kick out the telco lobbyists.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -0/+14class action law suit is what is needed against comcast
- vastrightwing, on 10/25/2007, -0/+13Let's all call Comcast and ask about allowing specific applications to work. This will tie up customer service so legitimate customers can't get through and will have a cascade effect of making existing customers mad and perhaps leave. After all, we'll only delay Comcast's customer service, as if anyone will notice.
- pgm_01, on 10/25/2007, -0/+13You have never called Comcast customer service, have you? You can't make it worse, it is simply not possible. If my neighborhood loses service, we have to phone tree people to get enough calls in to make it an official outage, and even at that they will not register all of the complaints into the system.
- MacGyver2210, on 10/25/2007, -1/+14I remember for fun I used to go into the RadioShack display crappy compaq or whatever, and change the password that turns off their demo program because it was always the store # to start with. It was fun when you'd go in to buy a cable or something and the guy was struggling with restoring the computer or something. Ah...public terminals...
- djbon2112, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12Could you clarify? I have absolutely no idea what you just said...
- Rahodeb, on 10/25/2007, -2/+14Isn't this essentially a DOS attack on these applications? Can't existing internet "anti-terrorism" laws be applied here?
- Ouze, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12Notes is the devil. I never thought Outlook was that great until I started supporting Lotus Notes.
- ginjuro, on 10/25/2007, -2/+13Not only are they handing ammunition to NetNeutrality advocates, Comcast is also creating market sympathy (which could easily grow into market support/demand) for more competitors to get into the ring, and could help build a head of steam for support of a third alternative (the first two being cable and telco) when the 700MHz auction rolls around early next year. While Google is definitely worthy of suspicion, all they need to do is sit back and let the hostility build toward Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, et. al., and watch the landslide of internet users come swinging over to them when (and if) they launch their 700MHz service. Fact is, competition is coming, no matter what Kevin Martin does to try to stop it, and Comcast and their fellow robber barons are scrambling to squeeze every nickel out of us before we go somewhere else. Stupid business practice, IMHO... if they actually behaved like a customer driven company, they wouldn't have to worry about us leaping at the first good opportunity to escape their clutches.
- Xabora, on 10/25/2007, -3/+14Poor Lotus Notes, what did it ever do to deserve this.
- Terr01, on 10/25/2007, -0/+11Or another analogy: Water in pipes. (Or, of course, *TUBES*.) If your sink drains really really slowly, is that so much more different than being fully blocked?
"See, your connection is only *mostly* blocked. Now, if it were all-blocked, there'd be only one thing you could do, which is go over to the firewall and look for loose ports..." - Ouze, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13Way to eat ***** and call it steak, champ.
- moskaudancer, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13You're going to scar some kids at some point in your life. Kudos.
- teluial, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13How, exactly, does prohibiting service-discriminatory practices allow the government to "regulate" and "change" the Internet? That is, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that a government prohibition against service interference opens the door to government service interference. How so? That seems contradictory.
- nixr, on 10/25/2007, -1/+11Q: "Poor Lotus Notes, what did it ever do to deserve this?"
A: Exist - cquilliam, on 10/25/2007, -0/+9I second that
- Ludwig, on 10/25/2007, -1/+10That's how you get to the change password dialogue.
- chicagodj, on 10/25/2007, -1/+10A lot... such as sucking major ass.
Notes is horribly slow, overly complicated, and really non-intuitive. - proxicity, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9TCP RST != DELAY, COMCAST != GOOD, FiOS > Coax
- deadbaby, on 10/25/2007, -0/+8I've noticed in the last several weeks my pings to game servers have become very erratic. Before I blamed it on Comcast over subscribing my node but now I'm starting to wonder. Pings seem to get progressively worse till they climb into the 800-1000ms range. Interestingly enough my pings to sites like google, yahoo, etc all remain ~30ms. What has me wondering is the fact that when I connect to another server my pings are OK again for maybe 30 minutes to an hour and then, also, go downhill. Sounds a lot like the side effect of overworked traffic shappers. (or an unintended side effect of faking TCP resets?)
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -0/+8Some have suggested that forced encryption is not a silver bullet because the shaping software also looks at # of connections and will "delay" that traffic too.
- MaynardJK, on 10/25/2007, -2/+10I don't give a ***** what you download that you think is more important than what I am downloading.
Maybe Comcast shouldn't be promising bandwidth that they can't deliver so they could keep up with the demand. We should get what we were promised and what we are paying for. - inactive, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9That's just it...we ALL know this is primarily about p2p, BT and porn. OK, some people are getting clipped while getting the latest Linux flavor. I think the problem is with the pricing model. They are making a one-size fits all pricing model when one size does NOT fit all. My mom could very likely get by with an up/down for a month that would barely last me a few days (I really like Linux Distros).
I really don't mind paying more for a truly unlimited plan. RoadRunner now does offer tiered service based on speed but they are all still called unlimited. I think all pricing plans should be based on speed and data transfer. Joe Sixpack who surfs the web a couple of hours a week should have an option for a bare bones connection. Johnny Distro should be able to select the fastest unlimited plan and yeah he should pay a pretty hefty premium for that luxury. Considering the "value" of what one can download I think an expensive broadband connection is one hell of a deal.
Instead, what we have is a situation where cable companies are trying to keep the marketing simple and then "manage" connections on the backend thus pissing off a VERY vocal minority of users. What is irritating is that Comcast is not creative enough to come up with a pricing plan that works for them and their customers. -
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