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- ktzstanza, on 02/26/2008, -2/+53And what happens when they decide to block other kinds of traffic they deem necessary to block? Sorry Kids...no myspace from 6pm to 9pm on weekdays. Go do the dishes!
And what the hell is disclosing their practices going to do for the consumers who have no choice in their high speed internet provider? It's not like they can go to a competitor who doesn't block traffic...there ARE no competitors in most markets. - lordwow, on 02/26/2008, -2/+41Comcast: Everybody does it, so it must be OK!
- SupraKing777, on 02/26/2008, -3/+41Excellent article - go friends of net neutrality!
- inactive, on 02/26/2008, -3/+27I'd bury all opponents of net neutrality if I could.
- mtruth, on 02/26/2008, -0/+23I like how Comcast basically said that people are using the Internet wrong. Head in the sand or what?
- SnapETom, on 02/26/2008, -0/+23Come on, Verizon. Hurry up with fios in my neighborhood already.
- tekhna, on 02/26/2008, -0/+21http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/02/25/com ...
The amazing thing is Comcast tried to physically DOS the meeting! - harrisbradley, on 02/26/2008, -0/+21Comcast, the moment there is another competitive offering to your's, you'll be out of business.
- FaceCage, on 02/26/2008, -3/+22I think Comcast is the problem here, not ISPs in general. Right now I would hate to have our government intervene into ISP's business. I can just see my bill now...
Comcast High speed Internet: $54.95
Local/State tax: $5.95
Net Neutrality convergence charge: $8.95
Federal Neutrality access charge: $4.95
Universal access charge: $6.95
Federal Delivery and maintenance charge: $6.98
Total Monthly Billing: $88.73 - hillkiwi, on 02/26/2008, -0/+15The excuse they're using is this 'management' only occurs as a result of network congestion in limited geographic areas. This would indicate to me that their network is not sufficient to handle the data flow in these regions and needs upgraded. 'Management' would be acceptable if it were a temporary solution with a firm time line for correction (until the network was able to handle everything all time, at reasonable speeds). They neglected to mention that they have sold their service to more people than they can accomodate, and now need to manage their networks as a result.
- flamincheney, on 02/26/2008, -0/+13"Number two: We only apply the technique in a limited geographic area, where that congestion exists."-Cohen
This seems to open a whole new window into potential socio-economic issues because as time progresses you'd imagine the networks in high-value areas would be more quickly updated and treated with higher regard than those in depressed areas. Then, through potentially throttling traffic in areas Comcast sees fit, they essentially would be implementing de facto censorship on the communities they arbitrarily see fit to. - capiCrimm, on 02/26/2008, -0/+13next time, say block google and only allow msn. Myspace isn't exactly, well...
- tvc15, on 02/26/2008, -1/+14Apparently Comcast paid a whole mess of people to pack the audience so that 'friends of net neutrality' would be shut out of the meeting.
http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/0 ... - hillkiwi, on 02/26/2008, -0/+12You forgot:
Private copying levy: $11.27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy - keepinithamsta, on 02/26/2008, -0/+12I want to be my own ISP.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12I'd recommend you people check out the audio file at the end of the article.
- xobecide, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12And I'm still praying for Google to take over the world and offer free wireless in some crazy technology they've used.
- JasonsLan, on 02/26/2008, -0/+11they block port 25 to all residential customer nationwide. as do most ISP's for residential customers, its because the average residential subscriber knows not what they're doing and will get all sorts of worms and malware that will spam the rest of the world. blocking port 25 for residential subscribers is a good thing. if you want to run a mail server, get a VPS or a business class connection.
- RealmDown, on 02/26/2008, -1/+11It's time for Internet3
- Ignotus, on 02/26/2008, -0/+10Does this affect World of Warcraft patch downloading? I know Blizzard uses Bittorrent. Blizzard claims 10 million+ subscribers I think. How many of them use Comcast or another ISP that may "manage" their traffic? I bet some of those subscribers would be up in arms if they realized that their ISP was hindering their ability to update. I don't think Blizzard would be happy with it either.
- Kronos6948, on 02/26/2008, -2/+11What about legit streaming media? People with Apple TV? That's what this has the potential of hurting. Sure, now they're choking P2P traffic, but once you give them the authority to do that, there's no limit to what they'd be capable of.
- orlandorays, on 02/26/2008, -0/+9The head of the FCC has gone on the record that he will defend net neutrality.
- Aensland, on 02/26/2008, -0/+9They also neglect to mention that there are other ways to 'manage' congestion that don't ***** break RFC specs. The standards are there for a reason.
- HeroIgnored, on 02/26/2008, -1/+10Important article. Net neutrality has kind of been buried as of late and need to have continued attention.
- inactive, on 02/26/2008, -0/+8It's funny, companies like Time Warner will endlessly advertise against DSL using the very reason of downloading music and videos much faster than DSL. But, when you make the switch and use the service as intended, suddenly companies like Comcast want to change the rules of the game.
- igeoffi, on 02/26/2008, -1/+8I don't see how that can be so bad if they're only blocking MySpace....
/sarcasm - jcstaska, on 02/26/2008, -1/+7They block port 25 here in South Florida
- tumbler360, on 02/26/2008, -0/+6I have comcast and I think he's flat out lying about this being applied only during certain times in certain areas. This seems to be a constant policy on their network. And as was mentioned, they should not be determining anything about how a person uses their internet connection, the fact that they do anything but route traffic is troubling.
- kodek, on 02/26/2008, -0/+6No. If a customer wants port 25, then they should unblock it for that customer upon request. AT&T does that.
- marx2k, on 02/27/2008, -0/+4Most large ISPs have absolutely no problem handing over traffic records to The Feds. Hell, Bush is asking for immunity for most telecommunications providers for doing just that. But .. I'm sorry.. you were trolling. Please continue
- marx2k, on 02/27/2008, -0/+4You guys must all have super fast connections for streaming Benny Hill and Mr Bean is crisp quality HD
- inchrnt, on 02/27/2008, -0/+4If only marketing-speak and legalese was a crime. Then it might not be so easy for corporations and politicians to blatantly deceive the public.
- thepyro, on 02/26/2008, -0/+4I also have Comcast, and for the past three years I have been having random service outages and such, the best thing is my upload speed rivals that of a dial-up connection.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/236041645.png
Oh and trying to post this message I got a nice: [ There was a problem completing your request. Please reload the page and try again.] - dsmx, on 02/26/2008, -1/+5Ahh the smoking defence,
- KingGorilla, on 02/26/2008, -0/+3I supported the thing with the toilets
- kd1s, on 02/26/2008, -1/+4So typical. When are people going to wake up and realize it goes beyond simple network neutrality. Break corporations of the ability to do such things and Comcast couldn't pack the meeting with their 'supporters'.
- TrancePhreak, on 02/27/2008, -0/+3I have Comcast and I get 12mbps. my.epene > your.epene
- tgc1, on 02/27/2008, -0/+3They just keep trying to use mumbo jumbo terminology to justify their continuing practice of OVER SELLING their ***** bandwidth. What a bunch of *****. Again, I use the analogy of the box of cookies. If the box says 20 are inside, I FULLY expect there to be 20 when I open the box. Not 15, not 3... the full amount. They just keep taking advantage of the fact that the idle bandwidth is there (even though it has been sold). Thus it should be RESERVED and unavailable to anyone but the person who paid for it. They really do think we are idiots don't they?
- inactive, on 02/27/2008, -0/+3"we only limit in a limited limiting way"
- Tenoq, on 02/27/2008, -0/+2It's called infrastructure, and it was publicly funded for a reason. It's a bit like asking why can't I get another water company to lay a pipe from the catchment area to my house when I want to change. Don't be a moron. :p
- djbon2112, on 02/27/2008, -0/+2I doubt it. The only reason for traffic shaping is because the network can't keep up with the demand. I'm sure Verizon's FIOS can handle some serious bandwidth.
- marx2k, on 02/27/2008, -0/+2Most area cable companies are in business solely for that specific reason. They have a natural monopoly on a given region. When competition comes in, going out of business isn't so laughable.
And if not out of business, their profits can get low enough due to competition that they decide to withdraw from that regional market. - CoolWind, on 02/27/2008, -0/+2That's nice, but it shouldn't be up to presidential appointees to make such important decisions. It should be against the law for an ISP to intentionally restrict the flow of data on the Internet. Elected representatives should prevent corporate criminals like Comcast and ATT from usurping our freedom.
- tgc1, on 02/27/2008, -0/+2I wondered about why we weren't from day one.
- curunir, on 02/27/2008, -1/+3Ok, blocking *outgoing* port 25 for residential is a good thing. It prevents those zombie mail servers from spitting out spam hither and yon. However there is *no* justification *whatsoever* for blocking port 25 incoming to *anyone*. *Ever*.
- pbrooks100, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1It wasn't Denial of Service, it was "Attendance Shaping" :)
- antdude, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1Want to give us yours?
- marx2k, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1Well, even if they didn't do what they're doing, don't forget that cable is a SHARED bandwidth. And that means that there's no way they could garuantee any sustained speed because throughput conditions are fully dependant on your neighborhood's useage at any given time
- sup191, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1"Three: Comcast only manages uploads, not downloads. "Number four: We only manage the uploads when there is not a simultaneous download occurring at the same time." Five: Comcast delays the request for an upload, it does not block it."
You can add Time Warner in Milwaukee as an ISP that just started doing this EXACT same thing to me about a week ago. I've been seeing 20-30% in dropped packets in my uploads over Usenet and P2P applications. :( - antdude, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1What if Verizon becomes evil too?
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