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- aliengoods, on 11/29/2007, -2/+59Why am I not surprised. Comcast hates their customers. Their view is we should pay a ton, like what you get, and shut the hell up.
- sesstreets, on 11/29/2007, -3/+42***** comcast.
- dupswapdrop, on 11/29/2007, -4/+40Hey it's craptastic!
- mlw4428, on 11/29/2007, -2/+26Comcast politely asks that their customers quietly move on from the article. We don't block traf *interrupted*
- inactive, on 11/29/2007, -1/+24To all the people who are against Net Neutrality. Now do you see the problem?
- yodaj007, on 11/29/2007, -1/+20Where I live, I can get Comcast or Comcast.
- MammasMilk, on 11/29/2007, -0/+14Exactly, that's what I was thinking when I saw it too. But you know, this kind of stuff needs to be repeated till it starts sinking into peoples heads.
this kind of stuff needs to be repeated till it starts sinking into peoples heads.
this kind of stuff needs to be repeated till it starts sinking into peoples heads.
this kind of stuff needs to be repeated till it starts sinking into peoples heads. - addakorn, on 11/29/2007, -3/+17'Comcast has 12.4 million high speed customers' I have had it with this *****, Comcrap now has 12.399999 million customers.
- korashime2001, on 11/29/2007, -0/+13I already will never forgive them for what they did to my beloved TechTV. This is just another reason for the hatred to grow and fester, and turn my soul black with rage. One day Comcast.....one day!
- adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+11They block or impede more then just P2P traffic as I have repeatedly stated in the past articles here on Digg.
They already admit "Oops, yeah we are having some issues with interfering with Lotus Notes", they are also interfering with VPN, and FTP connections.
I own the content I am uploading to MY server, what gives you (Comcast) the right to decide to block my FTP connection?
When they first started the packet forging, it was setup incorrectly enough that it was affecting my connection, when I offered to show them the logs stating exactly what was happening they declined stating that "those can be fabricated", when I asked for a tech to come out to look at the firewall logs to show the dropped connections (all of which were legal) they declined as well but magically within a week those issues stopped.
No ONE should be tolerating the tactics that Comcast is using but due to non compete agreements and a virtual monopoly of areas, no one has an option to go to.
I really wish FIOS would hurry up and come down the hill so that it was available in my building, - MikeDawg, on 11/29/2007, -2/+12Umm. . . How is this a "new report"? We've known about this for a couple of months now.
- EdgarVerona, on 11/29/2007, -0/+8Aye. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place myself at the moment. Due to the recent legislation, I should be able to finally move from Comcast to another company in my apartment (they had one of those "exclusivity agreements" that were recently declared illegal).
Only problem is, the only competition at the moment in our area seems to be AT&T, which has been recording internet traffic and storing it for God knows what purpose (one of the known ones being sending it to the NSA, which is already a questionable enough activity).
I suppose Comcast could be doing the same thing though. It sucks having to choose between two evils. - babar77, on 11/29/2007, -0/+7Even with a T1 you can still be subject to the terms of the company providing it. So I guess you have no problem with the Electric company turning off your power because they don't like you? After all, it's their power grid, they can do what they want right?
- robdiggity, on 11/29/2007, -0/+6This is an EFF report that follows up on the AP report to which (I think) you refer.
- TheUngod, on 11/29/2007, -5/+10IE a typical monopoly
- inactive, on 11/29/2007, -0/+5***** you *****. Tor nodes are already slow as ***** and dumbassess like you ***** it up even more. Tor is not meant for P2P at all.
- pgm_01, on 11/29/2007, -0/+5They are a monopoly for cable in your area unless you live in one of the very few areas that has two cable systems. The highspeed internet industry with cable and DSL being the primary methods, would be an oligopoly. Some areas with FIOS actually have competition since FIOS provides the same services as Comcast, but still it is a choice between the cable monopoly or the phone monopoly.
- EnjoyFailure, on 11/29/2007, -0/+5Comcast has a complete stranglehold on Philadelphia. They're the only option for cable and Internet in a lot of areas. FIOS is supposedly coming, but that could take a while -- especially in a city where Comcast is erecting a giant eyesore of a skyscraper.
The only way these guys succeed is by monopolizing certain areas. Their services are consistently crappy across the board, from slow and throttled internet to choppy digital cable to lousy digital voice quality to horrific in-person and on-phone customer support.
If people had an option in most Comcast-controlled areas, they would choose something else. - dracostimpy, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4I just call them "Comc*nts" myself.
- jcaino, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4Rumor is that they have something similar in the works - hopefully this Comcast backlash will open their eyes. OF course, Verizon isn't exactly the most customer-oriented service out there - they just happen to be better than Comcast ATM.
- SinisterStairs, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4I can upload again, which is a huge improvement. My upload connection is sporadic, whether I'm seeding or still downloading, but as of last week I couldn't upload at all.
Looks like the public outrage is finally getting through to Comcast... - shredswithpiks, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4where I'm at I have a choice between 5meg Comcast or 7meg Qwest DSL. I switched a long time ago when I purchased a condo and comcast couldn't figure out how to get any service hooked up to my place anyway.
- rupertmorris, on 11/29/2007, -1/+4Forging electronic communications sounds like violation of Federal law to me... EFF and ACLU?
- thewump, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3I suspect this might be the case with VOIP too.
- jcaino, on 11/29/2007, -3/+6At least get it right; it's Comcraptic.
- N3wtR0ckn13, on 11/29/2007, -4/+7tor! use tor. f*ck comcast.
- pgm_01, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3Monopolies are not "government formed" , the phone, cable and power industries are what are called natural monopolies because the high cost of entry creates limited opporunities for competition. The government should regulate natural monopolies and break up all other types of monopolies in order to keep competition working the way it should.
- PaperMonkey, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3My uncle actually just retired from Verizon... he was a senior enough VP that they should have done something about it but he could not get internet access through Verizon in his townhouse.. They just told him it's not available. I think that speaks volumes for your options...
- forcedfx, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3I can get Comcrap or Verizon. I would get Verizon but they won't sell DSL naked. However, coming this January we're supposed to get "wired" with fiber. At that point Comcrap can kiss my ass goodbye.
- djrocksteady, on 11/29/2007, -1/+4To all those who are for government formed monopolies, now do you see the problem?
- adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3With that logic, should Comcasts connections only be used for browsing the web and checking email?
I do agree that Companies should be allowed to regulate the use of their equipment to some extent (hence TOS and QOS statements) BUT arbitrarily blocking connections and THEN denying it with overwhelming proof is something that NO company should be allowed to do. Throttling connections to ensure that everyone is able to use the network is understandable, if not acceptable. I pay for a connection to the internet, I dont pay for a "when it is convenient to us" connection to the internet. Disabling my ability to upload pictures to my website or download a ISO of X distro, or connect to my office at 2am to reboot a hung server is not acceptable to me. Unfortunately due to agreements that were/are already in place, no other alternative is given that is reasonably acceptable. - asforme, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3Yes, the problem is with lack of competition due to greedy local governments, not lack of government intervention.
- babar77, on 11/29/2007, -1/+4So using your logic, it would be completely ok for your electric company to start turning your power on and off as they see fit? How about the gas company turning off the gas in the winter? Or you water company, cell phone company, etc. Face it, internet access is a utility. It's a communication tool, and therefore should allow for any communication over it. And how fair is it really that customers don't get to negotiate with Comcast the terms of their contract. We either accept all of their crap, or get left in the stone ages. Government regulations are the only mechanism that the people have for setting terms that Comcast has to abide by.
- jjb123, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2What sinking into what now?
- digitalarcanum, on 11/29/2007, -3/+5It's Communistcast- WURBLE *NO CARRIER*
but in all seriousness, what comcast is doing boils down to being the third party of a "man in the middle" attack. - insllvn, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2It no longer seems to be affecting my uploads the way it used to. I can upload at a decent speed (close to or more than my download speed) but once the DL finishes I am almost completely cut off from uploading as well. It makes maintaining a friendly ratio a pain in the ass. Anyone else notice this?
- TimSpeedle, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2I don't understand how Comcast can try to say that they should have privileges of common carrier to prevent them from being liable for traffic carried on their network when they are refusing to allow certain kinds of traffic!
- jcaino, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2Roger's is pretty bad; I get reports of their customer's having downtime and issues reaching web sites all the time. Actually - gone about a month without a complaint about them so far and I'm pretty sure that's a record.
- quaxon, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2i live in a big city and the only two options i have for high speed internet is comcast or att. so its pretty much like voting for president, either way im screwed and wont get what i want.
- pgm_01, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2The EFF does the kind of tests that would hold up in a court.
- adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/ ...
There is a link discussing their blocking/throttling of Vonage, FTP, P2P, Lotus Notes and assuredly other "Non-Comcast" programs. - adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1uh no they do NOT allow it. They just refuse to acknowledge the fact that they block it.
"quote"I finally have an end-to-end trace to share which shows that Comcast is filtering the port 1352 traffic. The images below show that Comcast is impersonating and using man-in-the-middle tactics to filter the traffic as stated in the CNet post. The images show a network packet trace from the client side and from the server side during the same session. This was a new memo composed within Notes with a 6-Mbyte attachment and then saved as a draft to the server database. The transfer did not succeed."/quote"
"quote"It is not just P2P and VoIP technologies. I use FTP to back up files periodically. Small files go up roughly as Comcast would advertise. Large files, after a predictable number of packets, get throttled."/quote"
From Comcasts TOS page:Prohibited Uses of HSI. You agree not to use HSI for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "Web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network. You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Comcast and its affiliates, suppliers, and agents against all claims and expenses (including reasonable attorney fees) arising out of any breach of this Section including, but not limited to, any claims based on or arising out of any material violation of any applicable law. - bowe, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I have a suspicion that they have interfered with using OpenDNS as well. I kept getting dropped connections, switched by to Comcast's DNS and things worked fine.
- adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/09/04/ ...
http://scottmace.typepad.com/service_provider_blog ...
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=& ... - jgzman, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1No, the internet is not required to survive. Neither is coke. Would you be OK if your 2 Liter of Coke contained 3/4 Liter?
Necessity is irrelevant. I paid for this service, and they are not providing it to me. "Up to 6MB" covers situations they cannot control. Networks can be finicky, and if stuff crashes, or otherwise causes errors, Comcast can't be responsible. This is different from them intentionally interfering with my data stream. I'm not concerned with whether or not they can support all the people on my node; they need to either not allow so many people, or install more hardware. If they sold 500 tickets to a show with 400 seats, who is at fault, the people who get no seat, or the people organizing the event? - abandonedhero, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I use Tor just for tracker communications and for downloading the actually .torrent files. I'm not dumb enough to actually route all my traffic through Tor.
- pkghost, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Not sure why this hasn't been mentioned yet (maybe everyone besides me knows about it?) but encrypting your torrent traffic using RC4 (or just plain encryption) seems to prevent Comcast's traffic shapers from catching on.
Most clients have an option to enable encryption in the preferences somewhere -- if you're having trouble just google "bittorrent encryption *yourClient*". I'm on OS X, using Transmission, and having no problems seeding/leeching with Comcast. - adragontattoo, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1FTPing pictures is something that I could care less about securitywise.
Oh noes, my publically available pictures have been stolen by teh interwebs is never a thought which crosses my mind.
Give me a few, I will look for links which discuss their blocking of VPNs. - Macskeeball, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1It's not just pictures that are sent in the clear. It's your username, your password, everything.
- Rocketmac, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1The business accounts aren't blocked. However, we pay a little more, well those subscribers pay a bit more.
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