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- vypergts, on 02/14/2008, -5/+129Typical Comcast. Blaming their problems on their paying customers instead of fixing their own ***** practices to keep up with demand. ***** them. To use their own analogy, if a highway is having a lot of traffic jams the state doesn't whine "oh if only people used buses and didn't drive their cars so much." No, they widen the ***** road.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -7/+122Comcast : Where unlimited does not mean unlimited.
- sienar, on 02/14/2008, -2/+58apparently they don't realize that the fat profit they make is supposed to be invested in to their network so that they can keep competing. actually they probly do realize it, it's just that they don't have to really compete anywhere. stupid government regulation *****
- Radian, on 02/14/2008, -1/+39You don't live in California, do you?
- capiCrimm, on 02/14/2008, -1/+38Comcast: where love means ass rape.
- KillerWasp, on 02/14/2008, -2/+33I like the way you think. :)
- SpiceWare, on 02/14/2008, -0/+30it's not just P2P. Starting a couple months ago whenever I'd try to video conference with my parents they would stop being able to see or hear me after a minute or two. Monitoring the connection I see my outbound drops to 30 kbps - in other words they're throttling my connection to slower than dial-up speeds.
Others have noticed this as well
http://www.iconnectdots.com/ctd/2007/12/comcast-no ... - MikeSD34, on 02/14/2008, -2/+29"In the Comcast network, each node typically serves 450 households, but when as few as 15 BitTorrent upload sessions are running concurrently, all 450 homes can see their network access impeded enough to be noticeable when surfing and making VoIP calls."
Well then the answer is clear, stop advertising unlimited bandwidth, or stop overselling available bandwidth! Unlimited my ass.
This is as bad as hosting companies who oversell their shared hosting boxes. One site gets popular and everyone elses sites start to fail. It's not the customers fault, they're just using the server they paid for, it's the hosting company that's at fault, just like Comcast is at fault here. - AndrewDB, on 02/14/2008, -0/+26I freaking love my new ISP, since I moved to my new house..
I used to be on Comcast, now I'm on a local DSL provider, and they've got 24/7/365 /free/ tech support, on top of that, they are awesome at tech supporting problems.. They write down /everything/ that you have wrong, and listen to (as long as you know some stuff about computers) what you think is wrong, and will give your theory a chance. For example: My modem was acting up, flipping on and off sporadically, after waiting four times for known issues on the local line, I finally told them "I think my modem may be the problem" the /next day/ they sent out a tech and replaced it with a brand spanking new modem. Oh and when downloading something, they noticed increased traffic on my line and called me and asked if I was downloading anything, and I said yes, all they asked was how they could improve my speed ratios if at all.
I freaking love my new isp. - EmileVictor, on 02/14/2008, -1/+25So they're using their own overselling as justification of P2P "management"?
- Lazybones, on 02/14/2008, -0/+211. If you can not offer 6 Mb/s bandwidth to all users why do you advertise 6Mb/s bandwidth? Why not only sell 1Mb/s plans as standard and offer a premium plan to make up the cost?
2. The use of TCP reset commands is just wrong. They are basically breaking into your session and making it sound like each party hung up. Instead if they implemented normal QoS with traffic prioity levels, no communication would be lost, instead bulk traffic would just slow down.
3. If you have your company executives trying to VPN in to your office it is really hard to explain why the connection sucks and to get them to change ISPs to work around these issues. - Eugenia, on 02/14/2008, -2/+21Ah, that's why my uploading to Vimeo.com falls at 45 kb/sec from the initial 200 kb/sec after about 5 MBs are uploaded...
This is not nice. My videos are legal, my own work and I need all the uploading speed I can get to upload 100 or 200 MBs of HD content from my HD camera. I should not be paying for what others are responsible for. - banmaster, on 02/14/2008, -1/+20Why the hell should I be penalised for what othjer poeple are doing?
And comcast? Why the ***** haven't you upgraded ANY of the unfrustructure to cope with the additional demands of today instead of assuming that everyone's internet use will remain as it was 7 years ago?? - kylere, on 02/14/2008, -0/+19Actually Google would ramp up and support it. Because they have competition, Comcast in the majority of the areas it serves holds a government backed monopoly.
- medalian1, on 02/14/2008, -2/+20Not that Time Warner/Brighthouse is awesome, but sheet I'm glad I don't have Comcast.
- petemcfraser, on 02/14/2008, -0/+17Obviously not. I came here to write the same thing!
- themoosejuice, on 02/14/2008, -2/+17someone sue them please..... the marketing dept needs an a$$ whippin.
- aryo, on 02/14/2008, -0/+15more like: it's Concastic!
- kylere, on 02/14/2008, -1/+16The problem is that they sold something else, then changed the rules. If you bought a car on the premise that it was able to achieve 45MPG, and they told you two years later that you would only get 45MPGwhen they wanted you to, and 10MPG the rest of the time it would be wrong. But you knew that, so I am willing to bet you are a shill for them.
- openj, on 02/14/2008, -0/+15From the article: "trust us, and rely on competitive markets to keep us honest"
But that's exactly the problem. Cable companies are government-sanctioned monopolies. There are no "competitive markets."
Not to mention the fact that they're already in violation of the law by taking billions in tax breaks aimed at fostering network upgrades and spreading bonuses around instead. - econojon, on 02/14/2008, -5/+20FiOS FTW, bitches!
- BobbyMC, on 07/21/2008, -0/+15They've got a well worded defense, but it's the years of silence and the practice of banning users for undisclosed bandwidth limits that created this problem in the first place.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -0/+14but they own the road and sell the fricken cars!...either widen the road, or stop selling cars...
- xtremesniper, on 02/14/2008, -7/+21What's scary is that this article actually makes Comcast sound innocent and honest. I know what they are doing is wrong, but at the same time it still makes sense. They aren't filtering based on WHAT you are transferring, just based on how congested the node you're on is... Still unfortunate, but that almost negates the net neutrality argument, I think.
- ramenite, on 02/14/2008, -0/+14It's like the old Steven Wright joke..."why are you closing, you say the store is open 24 hours?" "yeah, just not in a row"
- JHW539, on 02/14/2008, -1/+14Gotta say, I'm living the happy life with a Verizon FiOS connection. I'm sure they are a-holes to deal with if there is a problem, but after three years of slushing a modest amount of bits around (a gig or two a day - I have a 2000 mile telecommute in to work) I've never had a problem. One outage for a few hours during a storm and it came back faster than the power company. Competition is a very very nice thing.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -0/+12lol trust them and leave it to the "competitive markets" ???????? What competitive market? It's a duopoly and the price to get in to the game is in the tens of billions. Lets not forget the subsidies/contracts/bs you get from the government. That's always helpful huh? Where's the competition again?
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -0/+1115/15 ftw
- bocaJWho, on 02/14/2008, -0/+11addendum:
It's Comcastic! - inactive, on 02/14/2008, -3/+14Reply button. Use it.
- mardraum, on 02/14/2008, -1/+12not so much here in Boston.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/14/2008, -0/+10Honestly, I wouldn't have too much of a problem with this - IF it actually worked this way. It does not. Bittorrent traffic, both up and down, is limited to a typical 500 bytes per second for me. That is, until I enabled encryption - now it runs basically unimpeded; in fact I am seeding Linux Mint right now.
- Nekiruhs, on 02/14/2008, -0/+10Care to share how to get me one of those?
- mnemy, on 02/14/2008, -0/+10Typical corporate answer "We ain't changing, live with it". Cable companies have a pretty solid monopoly. Normally you have 1, maybe 2 choices in a given neighborhood if you want cable. Yes, there are alternatives such as DSL, but as competitors, it seems like they've established a "if you don't fix it, we wont fix it" kind of attitude towards bandwidth and connectivity reliability. Screws us, the customers, over, but they get to save a lot of money they would otherwise have to spend improving their service.
- AndrewDB, on 02/14/2008, -0/+10I researched around for about four weeks before making a solid commitment.
That's the best advice I can give. Research, research, research. - asforme, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9If you're not entitled to 6Mb all the time then what the hell is powerboost? They advertise burstable bandwidth of 12Mb and regular bandwidth of 6Mb. If you're only supposed to use your internet a little bit why not just advertise it as a 12Mb service?
I got kicked off of Comcast for using 450GB in a month. That is less than 1/4 the bandwidth I should be able to use.
It's called supply and demand, if you cant supply all of your users, either you need to get more inventory (bandwidth), or raise the prices until you have few enough customers that you have adequate supply. Or sell plans with CLEARLY advertised monthly bandwidth limits with different tiers of service. I don't care what the hell they do, all I want is to be made fully aware of it BEFORE I sign up for service. - wingo123, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9Yeah, me too. Widen the road, my ass!
- LuTze, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9While their response suggests it is not about net neutrality, it definitely appears to be about (the lack of) truth in advertising. If they can't give you the bandwidth, they can't afford to give you 10 Mbps (24x7) then they should not be advertising 10 Mbps (24x7). They should divide the node capacity with the number of households connected and use that as average bandwidth they will be giving you. Rather than selling a theoretical maximum that you are unlikely to ever get. Imagine going to a grocer who is selling a pound of meat for $1 each. He collects money from a hundred people and then proceeds to inform you that he actually only has 2 pounds of the stuff so he has to limit everyone to .02 pounds each for the dollar. Wouldn't he at least owe you some money at the end of that transaction?
- scubajim, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9this article explains a lot. I was trying to test a feature with a server at work by uploading a large file. (via just plain ftp) It would reset. Yet someone else on a non-Comcast network could upload to the same server just fine. I could even ssh to their server and move a large file from their server to the work server via ftp without a problem. Bastards
- samssf, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8Markus is correct. It's simple really. You improve bandwidth to, say, 50Mb/s down, and then charge the same price they're charging now for, say, 10Mb/s. They just need to stop selling bandwidth that they don't have.
- blzbulb, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8I'll be on the constant look out for the day fiber optic comes to my town.
- thebza451, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8You guys beat me to it... that's ALL we hear in California ("use the carpools, take public transportation, etc..")
- jjb123, on 02/14/2008, -2/+9Prison Love
- NJank, on 02/14/2008, -1/+8do i need to show you a current one, or would something at the time of my sign-up suffice?
- NJank, on 02/14/2008, -1/+8widen the road? no they don't. they open special "pay to avoid the congestion" lanes. I.e., you pay for faster throughput. deal.
- shinigami052, on 02/14/2008, -0/+7Now we should just make a push for 100% data encryption. AFAIK, for comcast or any ISP to examine and decrypt encrypted packets would be illegal. 100% data encryption would mean they can't tell what kind of traffic you've got going in and out of your network.
- MShutt1, on 02/14/2008, -1/+8Give me fiber, or give me death
- cmelton924, on 02/14/2008, -1/+7The throttling on FTP really pisses me off. I generally telecommute and for many projects it makes more sense for me to download the project I am working on, then upload it when I am finished than to just work remotely.
If I am uploading a 500mb file I have to schedule it for when no one else is planning on using the connection because of comcasts "reasonable network management". My internet connection basically becomes unusable until the upload is finished. Combine this with a room mate who is also a telecommuting software developer and you have a real problem, especially when one of needs to make an emergency fix in the middle of the day.
Thankfully FIOS is rolling out in Baltimore now. - Canute, on 02/14/2008, -0/+6It's really simple. Let's say a node has 450 households, and that node has the capacity of 1 gbps. Now what you do is this. Devide 1gbps with 450 households. Then you get approximately 2,2 mbps for each household.
In other words, don't sell something you don't have! - CoolWind, on 02/14/2008, -0/+6not just p2p. it affects everything you do.
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