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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+140I have been personally throttled and when I encrypted my Azureus traffic my speeds returned to normal. I suspect Comcast would not want me on a jury, eh?
- endora123, on 10/10/2007, -1/+68If enough people complain they'll quit this *****. We just need to hammer them. It comes down to this: they want our money. What we need are some email addresses of Comcast bigwigs. 100,000 nasty emails giving them 14 days to abandon this crap or we'll drop them and we'll see the end of this in a hurry.
I've always been satisfied with their service and pretty much thrilled with their speeds. If they want to screw up a perfectly good long-term relationship (4 years now? What's $50 times 48 months... $2,400 of my dollars I've given them up til now for interrnet.) Guess what: I'll drop 'em like a stone. - masamunecyrus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+30" ↑ " = " ↑ "
- stox, on 10/10/2007, -12/+41The check is in the mail, I won't come in your mouth, We don't throttle your BitTorrent traffic. If you believe that, you probably believe George Bush reduced taxes.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -5/+32Whoa.. how'd you make the upward arrow?
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -8/+35I've had torrents going for about 2 months solid now, 24/7, downloading and seeding. No problems. No change in speed. Everything works fine.
- Whaines, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27Get on Comcast and see if your results are the same! :P
- bigjosh359, on 10/10/2007, -3/+28Comcast doesn't know what they are doing and deny everything. For whatever reason, I have to set my Router to MAC cloning now just to be able to get on the internet and share it with the rest of my house. Technical Support Response:
"Our network isn't set up like that, so you must be doing something wrong.."
Their tech came onsite and couldn't figure it out. Comcast is too big of an ISP now! - seraph582, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Thanks for bringing in politics to this obviously more serious discussion.
- BladeMelbourne, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21He turned his screen on its side - or used charmap.exe
- zonymous, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Speaking as someone who has had Comcast and FiOS... get the FiOS! It doesn't matter what comcast posts or does to bittorrent users. You will like FiOS way better. My 15 MB connection with FiOS outperforms all of my previous services hands down.
- llllDrGONZOllll, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20It smells of ***** to me too! Comcast is the fastest around for now.... but i just may have to switch to FiOS sooner than expected. Besides my download speeds have never been what they claim. I do enjoy the onDemand service, but if Microsoft would get it's ***** together...... i am ready for IPTV!
- torrentfreak, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Sorry, but I had to reply to this.
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-wrongfully-denies-interfering-with-bittorrent/
Decide for yourself! - flipside3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Come on guys, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they aren't limiting BitTorrent traffic... maybe their whole network just sucks.
- skoles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13I've read about people being throttled, but I myself have not seen it in my area. Still getting 350kbps speeds on some of the fast ones.
I'd imagine Comcast would want investors to know their doing this, but for their customers who pay them (and thus help investors) they would want to be known as having reliable speeds. - Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Wow. You're a real *****.
- BRODEL, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I wish I could... in my area they are the only option. No DSL no FIOS.... I had more options when I lived in the country for some reason. :(
- sourgirl0530, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9i agree with you endora, i've had comcast for years and so far i haven't had any issues . . . . yet. As soon as I do though, there are plenty of other places to go
- betterth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Response seems to have come a little to quickly ..? It's been DAYS since this article has come out against Comcast, which may not be read or cared about by the average consumer, seriously threatens their tech-oriented crowd who (like me), most likely pay for the highest tiers of internet service. (Even with throttling, the performance I get out of my 8mbit with 16mbit burst is just phenomenal. I have seen the 16mbit burst from sites like nVidia, where I've downloaded 40mb drivers in literally under ten seconds.
- bronstad, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Comcast kicked me offline almost every time I start a download on azureus. they're totally bs'ing
how did you encrypt it? - digguserjs16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I work in IT and I had someone ask me why they can't send email larger than 3mb from Lotus Notes from home. I called IBM and they said that his happens if the user has Comcast. They cap the port for Lotus Notes outbound mail and when it tries to send, it times out. The user switched providers and now it works fine. It wouldn't surprise me if they do the same for Torrents.
- kindrobot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7If you have a hub, I've seen tons of traffic cause "collision" issues if someone else is using the network at the same time. Might try a new hub.
Of course there's always the possibility of some kind of physical problem. Last year my speeds fluctuated like crazy for a few weeks after a huge rain storm. Turns out the lines were connected to the house from a box buried in my lawn. The seals were old and when the hole filled with water, the box did, too!
But honestly, at this point it would seem we can be pretty sure it's comcast. (new name NOTfast) - BLKMGK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'd be looking hard at the router and at the cable modem. If I allow my system to run unchecked it will begin to choke some simply because the upload side cannot respond fast enough to acknowledge the download side but I CAN (and do) hit 500K when downloading files that have many seeds. It will sustain that too but my VOIP and everything else suffers :-) From the souonds of it you've got smoe piece of hardware that's choking under the load.
- yunus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I have Comcast. When downloading torrents if I limit myself to under 400k down I have never had a problem. If I set Azureus to unlimited I sometimes get disconnected after a few minutes of really high speed downloads. I have sat there and watched it go from 1200k down to 0 almost instantly. I dont know if this is Comcast or possibly an issue on my network but after inactivity for a few minutes everything is back to normal.
- Pimpalicious316, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Hell, I'm encrypted via Azureus RC4 and STILL can't seed anything. I loathe Comcast, but I loathe AT&T more, so I'm stuck for now. need to figure out that SSH bittorrent tunnelling.
- davidsmero, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I can barely break 400kb/sec when it comes to torrent transfers ever since these articles starting popping up. And I am on a 16mbit connection. All that wasted bandwidth :(
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Nothing has changed for me. I use comcast and live near Philadelphia
- prometheanspark, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Something is going on. About a month ago I noticed that my downloads never uploaded and always ended with a ratio of zero. The downloads still worked fine, but I was slowly expending my 'gigacredits' on the tracker. Upon reading the first article about Comcast shaping traffic, I got uTorrent and enabled encryption. Now it does upload, but only VERY slowly. Downloads are still fine.
If Comcast is shaping the traffic, it looks like they are aren't shaping the in-coming traffic, but rather the outgoing traffic. I guess most folk won't sweat it if their downloads still work fine, but the uploads are very slow. However I could not download continuously from a tracker that requires that I upload a percentage of what I download, and that definitely is 'degraded' service IMO. Now I have to seed 24/7 to keep my ratios in good standing, where as before I usually had given back enough to the community by the time the download had ended. It also seems like uTorrent seeds better when a download is active, so I set a download of a relatively popular file to 1kbps to keep my downstream active so that perhaps the shaping software will fiddle with it less for fear of creating 'customer dissatisfaction' with the download rate.
Appearantly a couple hundred megs uploaded last night, which is 3x what had gone up in the previous couple days, so perhaps they diddled some settings in their software - or maybe they just have a lot of network slack on Monday night and so more bandwidth was free for low priority traffic.
As long as I can earn enough credits to continue to download I don't really care much if they shape the traffic to improve other aspects of their service and keep their service price reasonable. If they clamped down too hard though I would change providers, my wife would be pissed if I couldn't download an episode of 'Scrubs' that she missed... - Ryohei, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Yea I wish it was that easy. Encryption only helps if both parties have it enabled and so far it doesn't seem to be helping on my end. People that are also using encryption are getting disconnected just as fast. Mine is still throttled and apparently is getting checked fairly vigorously. I have even sat and watched for a while. So far the only way I can keep uploads rolling at a decent speed is to put them on a timed rotation of 1 minute. Die Comcast Die.
- BLKMGK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6They must not be doing this universally then. I'm in Northern Virginia and my Torrents run 24X7 with no issues seeding or completing.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I see. So in the world of torrents they should not respond quickly (even if they know the answer) but instead they should wait for a few days/weeks before making a statement.
Of course in the world of Microsoft it is an issue of "why don't they fix this immediately?!?".
Maybe they just knew the answer was that they were not limiting BT traffic so they figured they'd let everyone know immediately.
There is not always a conspiracy behind something. - Noods, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5See these articles for information about Comcast and the type of mitigation they use, deep packet inspection. Its based off of Sandvine equipment. It is not port based...they basically dig through your packets looking for information trends. Aside from the mitigation, there is also a privacy issue as they can dig all the way down in your payload and look at the information you are sending. This has only been enabled in some markets but will be enabled everywhere eventually. All this information is in the following articles.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/deep-packet-inspection-meets-net-neutrality.ars
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070813-isps-to-bbc-we-throttle-iplayer-unless-you-pay-up.html
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/ - fleury29, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I have comcast in Pittsburgh PA (for about 3-4 years) and I have never had any trouble maxing out my connection in BitTorrent. Depending on the seeds I can get anywhere from 400 - 600 KB/s.
- Hubris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Wrong.....BitTorrent is fully legal all the time.....what people DO with it may or may not be legal. FTP is legal all the time....HTTP is legal all the time - any tool can be used for legitimate purposes.
- thewebguy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+61. you should be allowed to use all the bandwidth you pay for, for any purpose
2. they are limiting BT upload bandwidth to 0 - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6*Looks over at Utorrent* .... nope definitely still at 30kb/sec and going steady... ***** YOU COMCAST
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"Broadband providers claim that their networks have finite resources and they must be allowed to identify traffic in some manner to set quality of service parameters to ensure users get certain levels of service. "
Finite resources my ass. American Internet companies have crap speeds because the companies have total control of the networks. They horde the bandwidth. When i had comcast i never got download speeds over 600/k. Now in Korea i get 4 megabytes up and down (Total of 8 megs at once.) I can download the same stuff off bittorent i was getting in 4 hours instead of a week. I get better speeds here because the government built a better network and did not let private entities take it over. I have no doubt that comcast is throttling bittorrent and any other Internet port. - gr3yn3t, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5btw, doesn't bittorrent use ports 6881-6999 by default? Could it be that comcast is limiting traffic based on those ports?
- fleury29, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4....sigh*
Don't blame your inability to understand how BitTorrent works on Comcast. If you do not have full control over the network you are on then you have no room to comment on the connection. For all you know you may just not have the right ports open. Secondly, If you do not know how to forward the proper ports to your PC the of course its gonna go slow. The router blocking your ports is not Comcasts fault. I am not saying that Comcast didn't block BT, all I am saying is that your example cannot be used because of the circumstance. - sigintop, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That's because you're saturating your upload bandwidth. Set your upload to about 85% of your max upload bandwidth.
- iconnor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4For a time, I had both Verizon DSL and Comcast. When I did speed tests, the comcast was faster but when I ran torrents, Verizon was faster. Also, I found skype had better calls with Comcast compared to Verizon so it is a tough call to make. Do you want cheap calls or P2P? My only hope is our town will speed up the roll out its own fiber based network and I don't have to choose the lesser of two evils.
- mattyice11, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4In many markets Comcast has zero competition, so the disgruntled users will not leave them no matter what they do to BT traffic.
And you're wrong in thinking that BT users have power if they stand united against Comcast or any other ISP for that matter. They'd rather not have extremely high bandwidth users as customers...they're better off without your business. - daven1986, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4errm i hate to break it to you but your "6mb pipe" is probably 6megabits per second, so your rate of 768kbps is actually about right. the initial burst of 2.5mb is probably due to caching.
if you multiply your line speed (in mbps) by 10 then you get roughly the figure in kbps that you should receive. - kindrobot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4If they could, ISPs would charge based on how far away the server is.
- aahpandasrun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Cancel comcast internet, and get something else. That's the only way they will listen.
- DrawingTheSun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I paid for 8Mb unlimited broadband, a few months later they added a new clause letting them throttle everyone's unlimited connections so that BitTorrent traffic slowed down to 10KB/s.
So when a company sells you unlimited broadband then ***** you over, that's what's wrong with it. - tominabox1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I have comcast and with decent amounts of seeds I can easily get 800-900k
- petard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You are paying for 6 megabits not bytes
- renegadeafk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I can get up to 1.6 mb/s downloading from sites like micrsoft or nvidia.
- Noods, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Comcast is mitigating BitTorrent traffic 100%. See these articles for information about Comcast and the type of mitigation they use, deep packet inspection. Its based off of Sandvine equipment. It is not port based...they basically dig through your packets looking for information trends. Aside from the mitigation, there is also a privacy issue as they can dig all the way down in your payload and look at the information you are sending. This has only been enabled in some markets but will be enabled everywhere eventually. All this information is in the following articles.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/deep-packet-inspection-meets-net-neutrality.ars
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070813-isps-to-bbc-we-throttle-iplayer-unless-you-pay-up.html
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/ -
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