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- Prod_Deity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36Obviously not that routine.
- thewise1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Disagree. Those folks younger than, say, 20ish, often don't even know what the cold war was. I realize it's taught in school, but a lot of things are 'taught' in school, with little result.
- iliketurtles2, on 11/20/2008, -0/+13Theres a video of it here, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4831530.stm
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19I cannot digg this article because I already tried submitting this article last week, but someone else already submitted it, so I dugg their article.
So therefore...I am not digging something I already dugg. Does that make me a bad digger? - tidu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Served
By the way, I like how BBC has a video of an American story and we don't even have pictures. - tidu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12If you don't like the story, don't bitch about how you don't think it's news-worthy. Obviously other people think it is, because
1) it got a digg
2) it was on NPR as stated above
3) BBC has a video of it.
No one cares if you think it's news-worthy or not. Digg isn't your own personal site that has the stuff only you like on it. If enough people find this interesting like I do, then they digg it and other people will see it, regardless of the fact that it isn't "tech news" or "news-worthy." - cable22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I heard this on NPR the other day. Notice how there are no pictures of it. May have to do with the fact that, for whatever reason, the authorities didn't want to release the whereabouts of this place.
- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"City inspectors were astonished to find... ...and hundreds of thousands of 'calorie-packed crackers.'"
Hey, we still need to keep our reputation after a nuclear attack. - alf86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Seems as though the previous inspectors may not have been working quite as thoroughly as they could have been.
- matthewecornish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Cookies ^__^
- VegaObscura3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They aren't for weight loss, calorie packed crackers would cause weight gain. They are so you don't have to eat very many of them to still stay nourished.
- thewise1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5awesome article. I still remember the air raid siren tests, and how Dad used to tell me "if you hear that at any time other than tuesday at 10:30am, you get in the basement and you don't come out until I get you."
- thecommish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/21/coldwar.trove/index.html
This article has some pics. - alexw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Don't open it! Zee Russians put eet zere!
- pendetim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I recall when I was a kid the government sent a pile of Civil Defense supplies to the school where I loved. I don't recall the date exactly but it must have been about 1957-0r 1958.
The supplies they sent were amazing to a kid my age. (I was 10 years old at the time.) There was a lot of food, blankets, clothing, bedding, cots, flashlights , generators, a complete field hospital and lots of radiation measurement equipment. Everything was packed in green steel drums with yellow lettering.
There was some responsibility associated with this stockpile. It had to be inventoried and maintained. Since my dad was the Physics teacher at the school, he had the task of making sure the radiation measurement equipment was working so every year he would unpack the Geiger counters, put batteries in them and make sure they worked. There also were dosimeters that we charged and then made sure held a charge.
The story has a sad ending. After many years all the equipment was moved from the school a few miles up the road to an old 1840 water pumping plant in a town called Paulina for storage. I guess the government did not want it back and the cold war was over. It sat there for a long time until a maintenance worker decided to move the drums and managed to put a hole in one. of the drums. Unfortunately the drum was part of the field hospital and contained ether which is very flammable.
The ether caught on fire and the old wooden mill burned to the ground in about 2 hours. Quite a fire! Blairstown was out of water for a couple days as this was the town water works! - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10"If you don't like the story, don't bitch about how you don't think it's news-worthy. Obviously other people think it is, because
1) it got a digg
2) it was on NPR as stated above
3) BBC has a video of it.
No one cares if you think it's news-worthy or not. Digg isn't your own personal site that has the stuff only you like on it. If enough people find this interesting like I do, then they digg it and other people will see it, regardless of the fact that it isn't "tech news" or "news-worthy."
So... we can only give "positive" comments on a story? I'm not complaining that it's on Digg, I just don't think it's newsworthy. I gave a reason for why I feel that way, it wasn't one of those "this ain't tech, no digg" posts.
What's wrong with that? - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I heard the NPR story, and the reporter actually ate one of the crackers. He said it tasted "like chalk," but the point was made that if you were trapped in a shelter with no food, after a few days they might be pretty damn good.
And actually, I once bought some 20-year old emergency ration beef jerky from a military surplus store. I gave it to a friend as a gag. One day, about a year later, he got hungry (drunk?) enough to eat it, and said it wasn't so bad. - johnpombrio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4 Boy, does this ever make me flash back to those times. I remember in the early 60's of having atom bomb drills in school. Mind you, this was in a town of 3000 people in the middle of the farmland of upstate NY. We would sit with our backs to the walls in the halls and tuck our heads between our knees and put our hands over the back of our necks. Then we would troop down into the bowels of the boiler room and see where we would be living for the next two weeks. A monster boiler with snake like arms filled the room and made it about 120 degrees. Dark and hot. Against one wall were hundreds of huge boxes marked Emergency water and Survival rations. Then, as a reprieve, they would blow the fire whistle a particular way and we were to run home and find shelter there. Tramatic to a 10 year old, I am telling you.
- mikelesq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"City inspectors were astonished to find... ...and hundreds of thousands of 'calorie-packed crackers.'"
So if 'The Nashville Star' sees a ratings jump, it's not a coincidence. - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wouldn't call preparing for fallout during the Cold War "paranoia." I would, however, agree that the entire Cold War belongs under "stupid ideas."
I was just reading "The End of War" by David L. Robbins. It led me to read up a little more on the origins of the Cold War, just after WWII. If Eisenhower hadn't deliberately avoided entering Berlin when it fell, the Soviets would have never captured it, and the entire Iron Curtain might not have fallen. Who knows what it might have taken for history to change, but the Cold War wasn't inevitable.
Then again, at least we didn't ACTUALLY destroy the planet with nukes.
If anyone is too young to remember what it was like to really expect nuclear annihilation, go back and watch War Games, or Red Dawn, or The Day After. Those movies felt totally plausible when I was a kid. - Meowmix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yum! Civil Defense All-Purpose Survival Crackers!
I want some.
But how good could they really be? Our version of a "survival cracker" is something along the lines of a PowerBar, and those things taste like poop. So how good, or effective could they have been fifty years ago? - dappergeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I dunno, having eaten many a MRE during my time in the Army I can only assume that "survival food" of this nature is a couple rungs below them. I mean, it's food that's sealed and meant to be edible years after it was placed underground. Yikes.
- thewise1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's a fascinating story... I wish I could speak to more people of your age to hear more stories like this. I can't believe some of these toolbags are modding you down for that one.
edit: used the digg up bug to rectify the situation ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now this is neat.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They've been under the brooklyn bridge for 50 years, even if they were edible, who you eat them?
- ummagummas08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"In 1959 a federal report concluded that two hydrogen bombs dropped near the Brooklyn Bridge would kill at least 6.1 million people, the New York Times reported."
6.1 million in 1959 = how many people in 2006? - slantyeyed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you'd produce more damage by dropping the bomb over Jersey City . . . that way, you take out manhattan, most of the five boroughs and the surrounding area in Jersey (like the homes in NJ of the people who commute into manhattan).
- smith262, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3mmm, Cold War cookies...
- theDevilsDue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The Hershey Bar was created as a "survival food", and they don't taste too bad
- JaggedEdge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Were they really?" Yea hershey bars were created as a "survival food" in ww2, Its true! while i was eating my calorie packed crackers and watching TV they said something about it on the History Channel :P
- tablatronix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2hah everytime i went past the brooklyn bridge, i wondered what was inside the archways behind the wooden blockades.
I cant believe noone ever went in there to find out. - mabba18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anybody else disgusted by the way the reporter acted in the CNN clip? Hitting things, grabbing things off the ground, throwing things, SPITTING! It a historical site, and will probably become a museum. Hopefully those crackers will make her sick.
- Izzie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I thought a time capsule was something intentionally buried in time to be found later. I'mwondering how a bunker bomb shelter can qualify to be considered a time capsule.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And CNN has a video clip too.
- swizzlestick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"6.1 million in 1959 = how many people in 2006?"
Accounting for inflation... that would be about 38,963,434 American (45,657,351 Canadian). - jsp317, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you want to know whats scary. Russia was telling Iraq what we were doing the whole time before we attacked them. allot of there info was wrong but they were still trying. you think the cold war is over. a new one is on it's way. if Iran gets nucks Israel will attack. Russia might respond. then we are dealing with north Kora. they claim they have them.we are living in a scary world. if you have a way to dig a shelter i suggest you do it. i can see the ***** hitting the fan soon. i hope I'm wrong but we still need to be prepared. it's up to you
- Cykaos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How many people are 352,000 crackers going to sustain for more than a week?
- adultswimmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This blog article has links to more pictures from inside the bomb shelter:
http://www.luckypix.com/mt/archive/2006/04/inside_the_broo.html - reflex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting to note that there are still thousands of nuclear warheads on the planet. The vast majority are still owned by the USA and Russia, along with the usual allies and a few nuclear startups. In other words, the threat of nuclear war still looms over us. And, if anything, one would expect today's weapons to be far more accurate and efficient than early attempts from the "cold war."
- mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This has been all over the NY news
- moonshn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0...metaphorically
- doctechnical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Five will get you ten they'll be on eBay soon, so you might have an opportunity to find out firsthand. Be sure to let us know! ;)
- doctechnical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Darthbutcher: Yes, a single nuke over Brooklyn would not only detstroy all human life on this planet, but all sentient beings on a few other planetes as well.
On a more serious note, not all of that 6.1 million would be killed immediately in the heat/firestorms of the blast - a good number (the majority, I think) would die slow nasty deaths from radiation poisoning over the next week or so. A terrible way to die. - VegaObscura3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Were the cookies still edible?
- nerdofnerds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i want my own cold war cookies...
Seriously, i think this is a really cool/eerie discovery. - raccettura, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There should be a GIANT inspection into past inspectors. They didn't do a good job if they missed an ENTIRE ROOM!
After that, they should make it a museum to paranoia and stupid ideas. Would be good in a post-9/11 world. - ComputerGuru, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Were they really?
- moley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It was meant that we need to keep our reputation as fat-a$$ americans.
- NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0No pictures, no digg.
"We have disovered an amazing cold war bunker, you really should see it, it's awesome! But nobody brought a camera... and nobody wants to run home and get one... sorry" - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3"Disagree. Those folks younger than, say, 20ish, often don't even know what the cold war was. I realize it's taught in school, but a lot of things are 'taught' in school, with little result."
I did say "most everyone," not everyone. People under the age of twenty in the US are a minority, as far as I know.
I suppose this could get some of them interested enough to read about the Cold War-era. -
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