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ColdFusion 8 Launches!

adobe.com — The newest version of ColdFusion has been released.

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  • develdevil, on 10/10/2007, -13/+39cue the Adobe marketing drones posting its praises.

    I work for a firm that programs in CF and even our developers dont get that excited about a programming platform.
  • hokie47, on 10/10/2007, -13/+30I have saved so much money for my clients by telling them in come cases it might be better to go with Coldfusion over PHP or ASP.net. 10k in the business world is nothing. What business really hate is long expensive development schedules. They want the thing to work and they want it to work now.
  • Pilot85, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19...for a minute there I thought they had solved the world's energy crisis. :(
  • Freps, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Dude on the front page looks like Bob Saget.
  • nick34, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19I wonder if myspace will benefit from this....

    Nah, who am I kidding.
  • Pile, on 10/10/2007, -12/+259:13am Cold Fusion 8 Launches
    9:17am Server runs out of RAM
  • jocknerd, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19$7500 for the enterprise edition? Ouch. At least the upgrade will cost us less than the previous version. But it sure looks like Adobe is not interested in getting new customers. Or that they've decided that their only customer base will be the government.
  • iKnowKungFoo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Coldfusion hasn't been rewritten since version 6 when it was rebuilt from the ground up to run on top of Java. It hasn't been "rewritten" since, they've only ever added new features.
  • Dyogenez, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Dead? You've been reading too many unresearched Digg articles. ColdFusion is by no means a silver bullet, but it does offers things PHP and Rails don't (and they offer things CF and others don't). It's not "another" tech that's expensive, it's the same one that's been around for 12 years (since 1995!). The same argument could be made for why we need Oracle and MSSQL when there's MySQL and Postgres out there for free. Sometimes for a project you just may need the official vendor support from Adobe, or the unique features that ColdFusion offers, and if you know about them you'll save time reinventing the wheel and doing them in another language. Whether that pays for the price of the software depends on the situation. Like I said, it's no silver bullet, and not without flaws like anything else, but no technology is (or we'd probably all be using it). It's worth checking out what's there, especially since Adobe does a good job of detailing the new features (and reiterating some of the core features in previous versions).
  • JimmyTheClam, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17OK, OK, I'll try it!
    Damn, no torrents on Pirate Bay, yet!
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -15/+24Even this new version offers nothing that .NET doesn't (for free with Windows). It's still playing catch up.

    Unless your using a non Windows OS, CF just isn't worth the price. And if you are using Linux, why not an OSS for web development?

    Honestly, CF was great in the day. Can someone please give me a non-fanboi justification for it? Don't say how "easy" it is, because if you can't make a decent web page in .NET you shouldn't be in the business. That's how bad web sites get made.
  • zirconx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9There has only been on re-write in the whole history of CF. Once again, you've shown that dig users tend to speak before they think.
  • floppyparty, on 10/10/2007, -7/+16I love how the CF8 webpage lists .Net integration as one of their 6 highlighted features. I think I'll stick with ASP.NET 2.0, which has GREAT .net integration.
  • dirtyhand, on 10/10/2007, -7/+15I'm a Flex/ColdFusion developer and as we speak I'm creating a presentation for my boss/clients to demonstrate why we should switch to Ruby on Rails as our Flex app backend. Coldfusion is painful to progam in.
  • KoldFuzun, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I've been using ColdFusion since version 2.0. Since version 7 a lot has improved and I enjoy CF more now than ever. I develop with PHP and in the past have worked with (ahem) ASP and PERL. While other languages do the job and do it well enough I find myself developing applications which are more user friendly and have a codebase which is far easier to maintain. I have also learned the basics of programming from CF, which allowed me to become fluent with other languages. It's also perked my interest in Java development.

    I won't bash any language out there because, hey, we all make money from them and they do the job we or our clients require. I prefer the Adobe platform (ColdFusion and Flex) because it allows me to develop applications quickly with limited time spent integrating open source components that don't work or require me spending two days trying to read some poorly written documentation. None of my clients have ever complained about the cost of CF, as for myself the $1300 I spent on the server has paid for itself many times over (as do the upgrades).

    All that being said, thanks Adobe for another great release and continuing to support an application server so many of us have loved for so many years.
  • ReinMasamuri, on 10/10/2007, -10/+17CF still exists? I'm honestly surprised they're still developing this.
    This is what, their third complete rewrite? I stalled support for CF7 when my coders proved that they could do more with PHP than CF7. Now that CF8 is out, I'll have to re-evaluate this but something tells me that PHP5 already has the stuff CF8 has...
  • jcyr, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I agree that enterprise is a bit pricey, but hey its Enterprise. Standard now has much of what was in enterprise in the past. In fact there is very little that Enterprise can do that Standard can't. The vast majority of people will be served perfectly fine by Standard edition which is about $1300 new. Basically Adobe moved a lot of enterprise features down to standard, so we are getting a lot more for our money than in past editions.
  • jeremiahx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7CF has only been rewritten once. From 5 (C) to 6(Java) All of the releases since 6 have been an expansion on the same codebase.
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Just replying because I like nested boxes.
  • jscnet, on 10/10/2007, -10/+16That's actually a misconception perpetuated by Macromedia (yes, Macromedia not Adobe) marketing team. PHP very easy to learn and IMHO much faster to develop in simply because you don't have to code w/ long arduous tags. CF pricetag makes it enormously unappealing to almost all serious developers. Just look at the #coldfusion IRCs -- there are (now) only a handful of individuals in those chats whereas there use to be hundreds --> they've all moved over to PHP. Having said all that, I like CF -- a lot in-fact -- it has some very cool functionality -- but IS NOT easier to learn, code-in, implement or use than PHP.
  • sampurtill, on 10/10/2007, -20/+26ColdFusion has always been known as the 80% language... I stopped using at CF7 when Adobe bought Macromedia because I realized CF was going to be rewritten -- for the fourth time. I have a good friend who manages a shop of about 160 CF developers and it works great for them, so I am happy for anyone that it works for. But ColdFusion is definitely no Django or Ruby on Rails. Open Source will prevail.
  • mjenkins, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There's an ongoing beta test for existing HostMySite folks to use CF8. You have to sign up for it and it's on a different server than where your normal website is hosted. I imagine that once they fully test, it won't be long until it's rolled out to existing webservers.
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10"That's how bad web sites get made."

    With .NET? I guess you're right.
  • electrichead, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Differences are: http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/editions/
  • Dyogenez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Actually 75 out of the Fortune 100 companies are suckers by your logic.

    Seriously man, if you're suggesting that Rails is better than 100% of everything out there 100% of the time then I think the hype has gone to your head. There are cases when CF will be the best tool for the job, and there will be far more cases when it won't be. When it will be though; it may be enough to warrent the price tag. If it does, you benefit, if not go with something else. It's as simple as that.
  • cfjedimaster, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11"Even this new version offers nothing that .NET doesn't (for free with Windows). It's still playing catch up."

    The same could be said for Java or PHP. Most of these platforms do the same thing - it is in HOW they do that matters. Shoot - just write binary.

    Being serious though - consider this article which demonstrates doing CAPTCHA in VB.Net:
    http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic30913.htm

    This is one tag - one line of code - in ColdFusion. I use CF because it makes my life easier.
  • danielsan1701, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Like in a CFDUMP?
  • cfjedimaster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You are kidding, right? How is hard to develop extensions to CF? CFLIb.org has over 1k free extensions. RIAForge.org has numerous open source CF applications. Adobe's dev exchange also has numerous CF extensions. If all you know of is Custom Tags, then you are -way- behind in your CF knowledge. Custom tags are one way to write extensions. There are also UDFs and CFCs.
  • brockpetrie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The minute you people refer to Flash as a "way-out technology" you lose all credibility.

    And you always use the same reasoning, "It's not functional, it's only a layer of prettiness." What the hell do you think end consumers are drawn to? Oh, you can send your form data and then make it fade out with AJAX? Big ***** deal. They want actually interact with the environment. They want artificial prettiness and ***** puff, otherwise it's just Microsoft Excel on the internet. And even more so, Flash video is a savior to everyone who has had to deal with RealMedia and Windows Media online for the past how many years.

    I'm fully aware that some morons are doing sites in Flash that have no business being in Flash. Don't worry, they'll suffer when only 2% of visitors stay on past 10 seconds. But for the people that are doing it right - and there are a ***** of them - they are reaping mad benefits. People love this *****, that's all there is to it.

    People have been calling Flash dead since 2000. And guess what- it's bigger than ***** ever. I'm not even an Adobe fanboy, it just grinds my gears when code monkeys bemoan about how dead it is.

    And yeah, the benchmarks for sites utilizing Flash Remoting with CF are unbeatable. Buy a decent server, and the benchmarks will reflect it.

    I code in PHP 90% of the time by the way.
  • varekai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There are a couple ColdFusion frameworks - Model Glue: Unity being the best.

    I develop in several languages, but I tend to choose either ColdFusion or Ruby on Rails for new projects. Each has its strengths. IMHO, keep both in your toolbox.
  • seanmc303, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11It feels as if Adobe sent a memo out to the employees telling them to digg this up.
  • Charlotte_Web, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I love CF, but the problem is that CF's pricing scheme hurts smaller companies and developers, and if people don't train on CF, they aren't going to be recommending it when they move into positions of power in large enterprises. It also stifles open source development, much of which is comprised of people working on projects in their spare time and with little or no budget.

    I think they should have gone with a three-tiered release... a free Basic version of CF 8 for non-commercial users that didn't incorporate all of the enterprise stuff from CF 7.
  • 6dust, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You != smart
  • tdrtdr8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4MySpace is in ColdFusion, poorly written and still able to handle the load. CF is definitely legit. This release is much faster than 7 and I am yet to click on a php, cf, jsp or python site and say WoW this is slow, It must be written in CF(php,jsp..). Fact of the matter is 99% of the time speed isnt an issue, and if it is CF WILL scale if you have a programmer who knows what they're doing and knows the language. And yes there are free versions as well, so price is not an issue either!
  • Dyogenez, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Have you ever looked into ColdFusion? Or is that comment based on your love of PHP alone?
  • zirconx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Ummm you don't know what you're talking about. Your PHP example code will run in CF almost exactly as-is, just substitue Int() or Val() where you have IntVal() (I don't know exactly what IntVal() does). You don't always have to use tags in ColdFusion.
  • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Ditto.

    I can't believe anyone actually thinks .Net is a good or simple language. It is the most baffling thing I've ever had to program. Mystery error codes, errors when there is nothing wrong with the code.... it's a mess. Anything is a step above. If I wanted to waste my time on deciphering what the hell my program thought I said I'd code in gibberish.
  • stockjones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There is value in having a rich development platform that makes the creation of complex web apps faster and easier.
  • DanaK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I don't get all the hate on here half the time a ColdFusion post turns up. All languages have their shortcomings and their strong suits. CF has always leveraged rapid development time, and the team has always listened well to its customers and put out a solid product. This release is no exception. Adobe really stepped up and put to rest developers worries that they were abandoning the technology. For all the developers who lay awake at night worried over how much your company spends on setting up a CF server, why do you care? Its free to develop in, and the price really isn't that much at the corporate level. On a personal level there are many hosts who provide Cf hosting for as little as $6 a month.... no different than php. I don't get the harping on price, unless you own the company what do you care? If I have a php/apache problem at 3am, what 800 number can I call and get support? There is a reason so many large corporations still use CF, and it trancends many of the arguments on here.

    p.s. comparing RoR to ColdFusion shows your own ignorance. RoR compares to model glue:unity, Fusebox, Coldbox etc.
  • BonsaiKitt3n, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I like CF for the wsdl webservices and components. Makes distributed computing easier than the others. Server-side image and video processing in 10 lines of code ftw.

    Eh sounds like a gaming forum. ZOMG PS3 ownzors joor face ur soooo stoooopie!!!!!111111
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8"With .NET? I guess you're right."

    Your are right. Those who think .NET is bad ARE responsible for bad web sites.

    I'm still waiting on that argument in favor of CF...
  • brian428, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Most folks can't be bothered to actually understand "facts". It's much easier to think up something and then state it like it is true.
  • championchap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I thought he was being ironic.
    Either I have too much faith, or you missed that.
  • brian428, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It sounds like you're expecting the average Digg commenter to actually understand something about what they are bashing. You must be new here.
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Who said its a rewrite?
  • jaggedaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Most of the negative comments people have posted about ColdFusion seem to have to do with "stupid tags" or "it costs too much", but it doesn't seem like these people have spent any significant time programming with CF. It's easy to throw it out when you've got free alternatives and I totally get that. At work we use CF, but when I do any freelance work it is hard to find a good host that will provide CF support at a reasonable cost. So I'm left with PHP or Ruby on Rails -- which are both great, but here's why I prefer CF:

    PHP
    PHP gets the job done, no doubt. But I find it hard to harder to follow when I'm digging through a lot of code. The syntax isn't horrible, it's just that CF reads more like a book and the fact that it is tag based makes it easier to pick out blocks of code and where your closing tags are.

    Ruby on Rails
    I love the idea of rapid development, and from what I've seen RoR is very useful for rapid prototyping, but I personally like having a little more control over how my app is built out. From demonstrations of RoR that I've seen, it looks like it makes a lot of assumptions about how your app is going to be setup. And for what it's worth, there are some frameworks available for CF that do a lot of what people like about RoR, i.e.: Model-Glue coupled with Reactor can do things like scaffolding and Reactor alone can provide a level of abstraction that makes database interactions easier.

    Keep in mind that I haven't spent a lot of time with either PHP or RoR, but my point is that nobody should write off a development language before they've spent a little time programming in it. I still plan to explore PHP and RoR further, and where circumstances allow, I hope to spend some more time programming with them.
  • jawngee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You can use java in .NET. You can even compile java to the .net runtime, although good luck on that one.

    Either way, it's a feature that looks good on paper but the overhead would be uncomfortable for anything of scale when you consider the mechanics of making it work.
  • cfjedimaster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It isn't a case where money isn't a consideration. You do know that money isn't the ONLY consideration, right? If it takes you 10 hours ot build something in PHP (and I'm not saying it does, just using an example) and it takes you 1 hour in CF, then you have saved dev time right there.
  • falstaff, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's YOU! I am an actual Water Dragon, but since you selfishly stole MY name, I had to go with this. My lawyer will be in contact.
  • turrican, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Hey.. thanks for the WARNING!
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