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- threon, on 02/10/2009, -2/+16☎
- Barackalypse, on 02/10/2009, -3/+12Cloud computing is just a way of locking you in to monthly payments and removing the control you now have over your applications and data by giving it over entirely to a third party. The way Russ describes it is even scarier because there is a whole Orwellian aspect to it when the airline reports what movie you watched and how far into it you got to your hotel which then lets you continue watching (and meanwhile at the Department of Homeland Security you just got added to a domestic terrorism watch list because you viewed both V for Vendetta and Equilibirum and both have anti-Government themes).
I will keep my data on devices I own thank you, although I will make exceptions for things like Netflix Watch Now or Hulu.com where there is no actual cost to me. - ripple123, on 02/10/2009, -0/+7no. theres not.
- Dotcommer, on 02/10/2009, -0/+6ring ring ring ring ring... banana phone!
- coyote1284, on 02/10/2009, -0/+6Hello?
- stockjones, on 02/10/2009, -1/+6Cloud computing is a rehash of what was once called ASP or active service provider. The tech world just loves to re-invent stuff by giving it new fancy names and slogans. It has its potential, but in no way do I see it as an all out replacement for companies running internal db with confidential information. Also I don't see this replacing the capability of some client side applications. Gee I'm still waiting for java to turn the network into the computer. Don't hold your breathe, just look forward to more fancy names and slogans.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -1/+5There is a tremendous amount of benefit to cloud computing. The most obvious (and most common use, currently) being the ability for high-volume data storage and transfer, without requiring the purchase and maintenance of physical servers.
While it may expose an easier path to mass government / criminal data acquisition, the personal risk varies little from having your personal computer exposed via constant broadband connection.
With that being said, I don't see the cloud as a replacement for data storage, but more of a backup, that enables an alternate way for remote access to personal media and less sensitive data.
Lastly, I share the paranoia, of many others, who do not like the idea of the cloud constantly knowing their whereabouts and activities. Likely, these profiles would encourage auto-storage and sharing of activities. It may be cool to have the hotel resume the last 15 minutes of "Biodome" after a long flight. But explaining why the last 48 minutes of "Midget Gangbang 17" from the hotel room is waiting, at home, for your wife and kids to watch, is nothing short of super-FAIL. - cloudberries, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3"Consequently, I have a surprising number of movies that I've seen most, but not all of.
Think about that problem"
Yeah, it's like a nightmare of epic proportions, isn't it? I don't know how I'd ever survive. I think that's the main problem of things like "Cloud computing". It's a solution to problems that probably didn't exist before things like "Cloud computing" came along - Spuy767, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3Greetings, SkyNet.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3Much too boring to read, buried.
- wallitron, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2Ahoy hoy!
- NoozeHound, on 02/10/2009, -2/+4That gave me a headache. What a truly dull article. Blind digging at it's finest.
With regard Barackalypse paranoia above, you'd probably get to the hotel, check-in, go to your room and click the 'continue movie' button only to find the two systems are out of synch and you get the previous movie you watched when staying at an XYZ hotel.
Also, I'm damned sure there would be a privacy button/setting that told 'the cloud' not to log the movie you are viewing. - Albumen, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2I think you missed the point. That's exactly what he said it was not. Think of it more like doing a Remote Procedure Call to an Internet-based service. It's a lot less like ASP than distributed computing model.
An ASP provides an application, which is a complete beast that contains everything you need to perform a specific set of tasks. The Cloud is more like a set of services that can be fed input and spits out a result set so that we can offload certain kinds of tasks. - UnWeave, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2"Ten techies..."
"... Twelve or thirteen answers"
lolwut? - fandyllic, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2No digg or bury. The ideas presented are interesting, but the biggest flaw in cloud computing - security - is not even mentioned in passing. Shared resources are nice, but being unable to ensure the security of the information is not.
- noBananas, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2The *entire* interview (start with part I - http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2008/12/hp-cl ... is worth the read for those with an attention span > 2 minutes who are willing to think about the ideas presented.
- starfishsystems, on 02/10/2009, -0/+1Behind all the hype is -- just more hype. What exactly is "cloud computing"? Well, according to this interview, there is still no definition in sight. It's whatever you want, apparently.
Once upon a time, we called this "distributed computing" and we knew that, beyond the basic notion of communicating systems, there wasn't much inherent structure that could be given to it. And that was fine, because people knew better than to turn around and make inflated claims about where the technology was going and what it would deliver.
Want to maintain a bit of state about what film you were watching? Fine, whatever. It's not a big issue for me. I'd be more interested in how that principle might be more generally expressed, and how it's proposed that MY INFORMATION could in general be managed such that (a) it remains under my exclusive control with effective technical protections and legal remedies, while (b) somehow being made available to service providers so that I could get all these supposedly wonderful services WITHOUT exposing that same information.
If those two criteria seem mutually exclusive, then you might wonder, as I do, why the proponents of cloud computing don't provide any assurances about how the paradox is to be resolved, in fact tend to avoid discussing the subject entirely. That's because behind all the hype is -- just more hype. - JQP123, on 02/10/2009, -0/+1"Cloud computing is just a way of locking you in to monthly payments and removing the control you now have over your applications and data by giving it over entirely to a third party."
Yes, that's true but it's a rather incomplete and cynical viewpoint. Maintaining private IT infrastructure also locks you in to monthly payments --- much larger monthly payments.
In my mind, the two big issues surrounding "the cloud" are privacy and bandwidth.
The first one has a fairly easy solution --- only deal with vendors offering an iron clad privacy policy. You pay me X per month and I'll guarantee that your data will never be used for any purpose other than to provide you with services. If you stop using my service, your data will be deleted immediately. This leaves out the Googles of the world.
The second one is a little trickier. Bandwidth is still way too expensive in the US. At some point, government intervention may be required; otherwise, global competitiveness will be affected. Right now, the bandwidth issue tends to restrict "the cloud" to use by smaller companies. - itcoll, on 02/10/2009, -1/+2yes.***** speaking .
- coltmercer, on 08/13/2009, -0/+1starfishsystems -- "Behind all the hype is -- just more hype. What exactly is "cloud computing"? Well, according to this interview, there is still no definition in sight. It's whatever you want, apparently."
Isn't that a good thing?? I mean, we have invented a technology that can be "whatever you want". If I have an ideal, I can write the application, put it on my few servers sitting behind my FiOS. Sell it as a Cloud Computing Service, then grow my needs as customer demand increases. I think Cloud Computing spends a lot of time marketing to the Business Owner and not enough to the IT guy. As this string of comments shows.... - inactive, on 02/10/2009, -0/+1The Turk?
- alent1234, on 02/10/2009, -0/+0except servers are dirt cheap these days. i'm pricing out some hardware for a new project and a dual quad core HP DL380 G5 with 32GB of RAM is around $7000 including the OS and SQL licenses which are close to half the cost.
these machines will host around 3TB of data and it will grow at least 20% a year. They run daily tasks that handle hundreds of GB of data. it cheaper to keep them locally then send the data to the "cloud" and get a response back.
and hardware will get even cheaper. i'd buy 64GB of RAM for these servers but it's cheaper to get 32GB this year and buy 64GB in 12-18 months.
storage is pretty cheap as well. 12TB raw storage is $9000 from HP including the drive array to put the hard drives into. in a few months they'll start carrying 2TB SATA drives - MrViklund, on 02/10/2009, -2/+2DiGG me UP!
- insanebrain, on 02/10/2009, -3/+3Meh
- alent1234, on 02/10/2009, -0/+0google and amazon so far concentrate on small businesses
let's see how they handle a real enterprise account with hundreds of terrabytes of data. then bandwidth costs will suck up any savings you get from management savings - wallitron, on 02/10/2009, -4/+2Fine, keep it on devices you own, and support, and upgrade, and scale, and repair, and keep cool, and physically secure, and make sure they don't catch fire. Don't forget to hire some guys so that is all done 24/7/365.
Of course, if you can do all that better, faster and cheaper than Google or Amazon, please leave me your card. I'll get you to do all that for me while I'm at the beach.
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