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- dirtyfratboy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+71You cannot seriously be telling me that you did a search and didn't find anything:
http://digg.com/technology/China_threatens_to_fracture_the_internet
http://digg.com/technology/China_Denies_Plans_To_Split_Internet
http://digg.com/technology/Big_push_for_Chinese_net_domains
http://digg.com/technology/China_Attempting_Internet_Domain_Cyber-Coup
http://digg.com/technology/China_vs._ICANN_in_battle_over_internet_control
http://digg.com/technology/China_creates_own_Net_domains_(bypassing_ICANN)
http://digg.com/technology/China_gives_itself_its_own_top-level_domains
http://digg.com/technology/China_Looking_to_Form_New_Internet_
http://digg.com/technology/China_to_create_its_own_.CN,_.COM,_.NET_top-level_domains_in_Chinese
http://digg.com/technology/China_creates_own_Internet_domains
http://digg.com/security/China_Creates_Own_DNS
http://digg.com/technology/China_Prepares_to_Launch_Alternate_Internet
http://digg.com/technology/Reports_of_China_Creating_Own_Domains_Internet_FALSE
http://digg.com/links/China_NOT_Forming_New_Internet
http://digg.com/technology/China_Splits_from_the_Internet_Probably_Not
Dupe. End of Story. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26No they aren't; they're developing their own DNS system, which effectively means that their isolating themselves from our Internet.
Personally I say if they want to be isolationists, let them; cut off all trade, trading agreements, tech, everything. China should realize they need America (and America's business) as much as America needs their manufacturing business. And this Internet situation's just going to piss everyone off. - NotAPoet, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25This story is innacurate. They are just adding extensions to the current .cn domain.
- stoops, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Tell that to Kevin Rose, until he does something to prevent people from posting dupes no one will stop. Digg.com needs more moderation in my opinion.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10That is just the most asinine comment I have ever read. I'm an atheist, but blaming China's Internet problems on the Bible is like blaming an ingrown hair on a steak dinner.
- futzy99, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Well, with the number of Chinese people... it isn't impossible.
But yeah, it isn't a very good article. Fuzzy data, with a dash of poor writing thrown in. - Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Remember when the rest of the world was complaining about the USA having too much control over the DNS hierarchy, and lots of Americans said "STFU and build your own then!"? They are. And now you are complaining about that too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, eh?
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7is it me, or have digg's comments gotten much more intelligible in the past few hours? methinks the comment system has made it so you have to say something more than "that's stupid, screw china" to be seen.
i like it - buss, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Real communists would have dissolved the state and lived in a cooperative commune, or do you not really know what communism is?
- muikano, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5No it won't lead to war. It's not in China's interest to cut off trade. The internet has nothing to do with that. It's the control of information. China can't compute faster than it's people. When your people, your criminals, your dissidents compute faster than the government can, you have chaos. Especially when China is growing too fast for it's laws to catch up.
What China needs to do is to SLOW down their growth so that when the inevitable slowdown hits, the unemployment won't erupt into chaos.
Still there's a reason why countries haven't fractured the Internet. For one, it works. For two, ICANN has a hands off policy.
But Chinese are paranoid, and if they will try to be self sufficient in all industries it feels is important to their survival. The people choose what to use. China may be big but they can't support the rapid growth of a world wide internet.
And stop with the racism. Go to China, tour around, speak to the people before you make your judgments. Communism is evil? Their are no absolutes and China has gone past the hey-day Stalin-type communism. Hell, it's almost anarchistic there. They can only spend money to protect bridges and certain high traffic hotspots. It's pretty lawless in the villages. What China needs is massive education. And the Internet, for all it's worth is lightspeed communication, where both idiocy and intelligence can reach everyone. - xodex, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6You would think that Kevin and his team, would have just added something to block already submitted exact URL's, That really would be the only way. However I mean how could you block an story from being reposted if every person here almost posts directly to their blog, And even if they didn't You know the jackasses would post some sort of tinyurl, There really is no end ~_~
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13It's possible but stupid it will stunt their growth, and thats all they have. China is always 1/2 of a fisical year from total collapse. Its honestly far too large a country to be efficient. Real communists would have split it into 3 parts.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The people saying that Digg should block duplicate URIs are forgetting something: Lots of Digg submissions have absolutely terrible writeups. You could stop a story from getting to the front page by being the first one to submit it, and submitting a completely stupid summary.
When Digg detects a duplicate URI, it should ask you if you want to submit an alternative summary. Then the people viewing that submission should be able to choose which summary they like the best. - DigitalDaiquiri, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I feel that in recent light The People's Republic of China is pushing toward George Orwell's 1984. This on top of asking American owned search engines to filter certain content, and forcing them to make changes in either their ethics or business models. Is there a point when the United States should stop wielding a "big stick" and act as the world police?
- Vigacmoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What kind of crap is this???
Here is the link: http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html, read it.
China just set up some new domain servers to handle top-level domains like "CN", so that
"Internet users don't have to surf the Web via the servers under the management of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)". - Yogurth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is only natural this happened, it was only a matter of time till someone wanted to break off with US monopoly over internet. Remember that last year US denied the rest of the world partial control over internet.
I suspect this is only the begining. - meyerj88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4China wouldn't cut off trade, at least not for a long time. It would be counterproductive and just plain stupid. Whether we like it or not we (USA) are linked with China. Anyway, I think that saying China might someday cut off trade with us is jumping to conclusions. All China is doing is starting some of their own servers. Nothing really radical.
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OK "real" communists never existed but if their real intention was to mak a long term, sustainable, worker oriented system they should split the country into managable chunks. It's a lossy system right now and any form of communism can't tolerate loss.
Please dont nitpick semantics it does nothing for the conversation other then muddle the point. - dirtyfratboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Once a nation starts to stop trades and isolate themselves from other nations, that can only lead to one thing: War..."
War??? Is that all we're obsessed with? Is that our first line of action? Who has the right to police the decision of another country to isolate itself? Not only am I horrified, but I am also amused as I am reminded of the exact same situation which appeared in Family Guy... Remember Petoria? - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Real communists do not exist in government, they're already on communes.
Just like how an anarchist party would be an oxymoron. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dupes can either come
a) from exact same links submitted
b) links to different articles about the same issue
c) blogs linking to (a) or (b)
to solve (a) simply check the URL against those already in the Digg database
to solve (b) find words which are common between the article summary submitted by user and the linked article itself. Log those words (or tag them in the summary). Search for this word combination in the old digg stories. Now ask the submittor if their article is similar to {list matching old stories}. Or search for the word combo on news.google.com and obtain a lits of matching news article urls. then search for these URLs in the old stories database. Ideally recreating the news.google.com news grouping algorithm would be nice :)
to solve (c) just prefetch the page, extract URLs from the blog article and go through the (a) and (b) solutions above... What do you guys think? - dirtyfratboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, it's true. I can't get away with simply saying "dupe" or "lame" anymore.
- mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The great firewall of china, not only keeps mongolians out, but also, the rest of the world. ;D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also right under the the Digg summary have a "this is a dupe of "____" form field for the first 15-20 minutes. This way a digg story can grow a beard of say 3 to 5 dupe links with "Digg/No Digg" buttons next to them. If a dupe link with more diggs than the current story gets a lot of "dupe" diggs, then the current article can be killed off or somehow moved to the original digg article as a "substory"...
- SunrisePete, on 03/29/2009, -0/+0People like you are the reasons why the world should never trust the U.S.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I think the rest of the world can only benefit from China's losses. Clearly, this is a terrible move by the PRC. The lemming mentality of the average Chinese civilian is exactly why China will never be a world superpower like Rome, Britian, Soviet Union, and the USA. They absolutely must learn to stand up for something they believe in or else they will fall under the boot of their Asian neighbors.
- mwace, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5CPTP://
Chinese Propaganda Transport Protocal. How appealing. - clickmyface, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Who cares?
How many Chinese websites do you go to?
How much of a web impact does China have?
How valuable would Chinese webspace be to global companies or companies of impact?
China has a huge economy, yes, because they have a billion people and not because of the Tech boom.
I'm not worried. - bludra84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4stand up for what they believe in, or what we believe in? Why dont you talk to a chinese person and see what their opinions are.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=183
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Chinese culture from its origins was extremely racist and verged on xenophobic, theres a reason China does its own thing. China wants to be China and the gaijin can go to hell.
- xconan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0isn't the koran just the old testament with their selected books + their own religious text similar to the bible put together by constantine committee that is now the standard being used by various translations from the niv to the king james.
- bludra84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0your talking about the commentors correct?
- agimat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2This is a good thing and at the least should not matter unless you can read chinese.
On my Digg wishlist: a filter that users can use to automatically block postings that contains "dupe" and "no digg" - Braxo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I want to see the Internets do battle.
- endekks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0In communist China web surfs you!
- rambler12013, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It looks like China's continuing its tradition of isolationism they started hundreds of years ago.
- bobblrbob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Good point! Communism has a bad name because it has always been done bad.
- foohookups311, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3The chineese being counter-productive to the growth of the internet. what a surprise
- frosted, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2HAHAHAHAHA!
AOL tried this in the 90s and it didn't work. DUH! - korou, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Why does it matter if someone posts a dupe? Like BassCadet said, none of those stories made it to the front page. This one happened to. Would it have if there was only one post about this?
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Whoever thumbed me down is no doubt one of em. Retards.
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1It is a dupe/no digg...
- ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This really is the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1digg/kevin should just have a little AJAX thing that says "Is your story similar to this: _______?" then it just lists stories already on digg with similar words.. also.. these stories need tags for gods sake.. TAGS!!! not categories. im not a web2.0 whore, but i really do like tags.
- volatileacid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2It wouldn't be the INTERNET any longer would it? It would be China net or something! and besides... do I really care?
Only loss I guess would be those sometimes hard to get files sometimes located on chinese servers! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1And here comes the pirate internet of china, supplied by a mesh terrestrial wireless network.
- ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4@neozeed: The Chinese are like the U.S., except more straightforward with their censorship and media filtering tactics.
- cduquette, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Yea I see this as a step away from blocking users from the internet all together. If they control their internet then they'll be able to add or remove content from sites as they please. Scary, and I hope this isn't true.
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