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- VegasKill, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17What happens in China...
Gets detained in China. - zulfy26, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Does the Chinese government think they can hold off forever? Sooner or later people are going to find out about Tienanmen Square.
- pimpwt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Let's not pretend that the "peasants" don't know what happened in Tienanmen Square. I live in a small, rural town (of about 300,000 people) in southern Hunan, and these people are not idiots. Don't demean them as such. Instead, they just really don't care that much about what happened. They are far, far more concerned with rising food prices and local political corruption.
Also, let's be honest, China is not lacking for Internet cafes. Any street that is near a high school is packed full of Internet cafes (and, of course, the Internet cafes are packed full of students chatting on QQ and playing MMORPGs). I don't think the Chinese are going to notice the lack of new Internet cafes in the near future. - sicapitan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9In defense of China, when has the western media or take on Historical events come close to being acceptable? China is no longer spiraling down into decadence and decay, it's now in this huge flux of change, and has been for 20 years now. They point is they didn't tell people the opposite, they just didn't show people all of it. You can try and deal with one cities population, but you cannot deal with 1.3 billion.
China lacked the policing of it's huge borders back then, just like it did during almost all of it's dynasties. It is why Xinjiang is such a touchy subject during the moslom rebelion(s) in the past.
You have to introduce this stuff slowly. Chinese are VERY old school. In Japan they still do this, one ofthe technologically adcanced nation on Earth.
Oh and I live here and I'm not Chinese. There is still Human Rights frowns which have gone down, but the Chinese don't live their lives in the past anymore. - eezzzz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Says the "man" with the interesting screen name.
- zulfy26, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8You can't censor the internet. Things start to get ugly when you try.
- swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I understand where you are coming from.
Stability is one of China's chief goals, and they know that introducing complete political freedom is going to create mass instability.
Thus, slow change. - mklopez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5More info:
http://www.physorg.com/news100143136.html - phytonix, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Whoever post this knows nothing about China...
China has probably the largest number of internet cafes in the world. Besides internet cafes, more and more families have their own computer and internet access, most of which are DSL (while I don't know how many Americans are still using dial-up). The internet population of China will soon exceed the internet population of US, if it has not exceeded yet.
One more important thing is that most Chinese people know about Tiananmen Square. Those who thought they should take the responsibility to "spread the word" and tell Chinese people what happened are simply extremely stupid and self-ecentric, and shows how little they know about the other country (they seem to "care" about). Sure it is a taboo and many Chinese don't know details, but I doubt Americans know better.
Kids spent a lot of time in Internet cafes in China, especially if they don't have a computer at home or their parents restrict their time on the computer. But didn't US software companies invent "Parental Control"? - coldphoenix, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The Chinese people are just too smart for this...
- guojc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I find always it is interesting how American view things. Take this case for example. It's nothing about limitation of Internet access freedom. Though there are a lot of futile attempts by our government to try limit our freedom to access information, in this case, it's just about not letting children gain excessive access of computer, making sure parents can control kids about computer usage. How can this be connected with holding back the tidal wave of free digital information really makes me wonder about it.
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -3/+5I wouldn't wanna reside in a country where the government puts restrictions on internet usage
- miborovsky, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Those who chant "Tiananmen" as a rallying cry against China think they know about Tiananmen. They don't.
Do they know that the students were gunned down singing "The Internationale?" No. Chinese people know that.
Who is the real ignoramus here? - googleabcd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1wrong, I was in China several months and I can access youtube, myspace, BBC and CNN via ADSL without any problem.
- rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The key word here describing the PRC's effort is "futile."
- worldinmyeyes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Don't fool yourself anyone - the US government is angling to control the internet. They pretty much control the main stream media, so they are looking for ways to gain control of the Internet. More and more people waking up to their ridiculous propaganda through alternative means.....
- googleabcd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Let me calify one thing. Youtube is accessable in China and everyone can find the Tiananmen Square videos there if he/she is really interested in this topic. However, the new generation don't like these kinds of topics, they care more about their income and enjoy their life.
Actually, there are lots of funny stuff on Chinese websites, e.g. Chinese Internet terms and Internet super stars, etc. - wassim2k, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2China, just turn your Internet access off; who gives a F*%#
- dengzhi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5aka "US"
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1a Moratorium is a mass protest. great title
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Yet the evil Chinese government has unfortunately succeeded. Almost no one born after the late 1980's knows about the Tienanmen Square massacre nor are they interested in such topics. Those that find out are frankly not concerned after they find out. Nationalism is the word of the day in China and to many there, the Chinese Communist Party can do little wrong.
Don't believe me? Before digging me down, see this PBS documentary and see for yourself: (especially part 6, is most revealing)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/
This is unfortunate and sad; because the reality is that they've succeeded. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Look at this article... China's government says that 80% of youth crime is because they were "seduced by the internet":
Reuters Alertnet: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK9196.htm
"....In recent years from the cases we have discovered, the proportion of young people guilty of cheating, rape or robbery who are given to using the Internet or have been corrupted by online filth, is very high," spokesman Wu Heping said....
...Last week China announced a new campaign against Internet pornography that would also take aim at fraud, illegal lotteries and "rumour-spreading" to protect the country's mainly young Internet users from "negative online influences", state media said....
...Our preliminary figures for arrested youth criminals is that almost 80 percent of them have been seduced by the Internet," he told a news conference.
China has an army of cyber police who patrol the Internet for unfavourable content, but their targets are more often politically sensitive subjects than pornography or online scams." - Sodoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I for one now lives in China and find this topic totally untrue, although China is indeed banning additional Internet Cafes,
It's nothing like restricting nor banning civilian's access of information as the topic described. It's the nature of these places got them banned,
Just walk in any netcafe these days, they all video game arcades anyways. It's an effort to reduce crime rate and online gaming addictions.
Other places such as hotels and real cafes like Starbucks still provide public wi-fi access without restriction.
Besides, given the popularity and cheap pricing of Celeron-based computers these days,
it's very common to own a computer and internet access in every household in China except rural areas.
And Chinese government does not ban your home access to internet.
In case the Chinese government wants to kep out "unwanted" information, well, that Great Firewall is still active.... - swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"Fear of corrupting the mind of the younger generation is the loftiest of cowardice."
-- Holbrook Jackson - geoffg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Communism Rocks!
- edebolt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0I have visited China quite a bit from here in Thailand. It is what it is.. Heavily censored and second to the last in terms of freedom of the press. Yes that's right ranked like 168 out of 170 countries.
A lot of popular websites are blocked like wikipedia, youtube, blogs, skype, many news sites. Its very frustrating because a simple proxy will not work around. I have Chinese friends who have come to Thailand and they say they love the freedom of the press and expression here and I just have to laugh because Thailand is pretty restricted also. Chinese people have been told what to do and how to think for a long time... Will take quite a while for changes to occur but they are making progress. As others have said there are plenty of internet cafes and the bandwidth and infrastructure are quite good in China.
For the US haters the level of censorship and coercion is no comparison to the normal method in China. Chinese people don't go out and make waves because they know some party goons will show up and literally beat the crap out of them. This happens quite often and a high profile case that comes to mind was a reporter not long ago who stuck his nose in the wrong place and beaten by a mob into brain injury and paralysis. High profile examples like that keep the population in submission. Simply no comparison whatsoever and for those who try to paint western countries like the US as just as oppressive are completely removed from reality. Time to buy a plane ticket and learn for yourself and stop making up stories. - jdaniel284, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Reminds me of America arresting people for using the internet outside free wi-fi cafes.
- masspwnage, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Hmm, just like having a baby...
- masspwnage, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1China, but only by a the hair on their chinny chin chin....
- hmmdar, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1the harder the chines government tries to push the faster it will come in.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1knowledge and reason in minds of peasants/slaves cause great fear among rulers.
- chubbsdeluxe, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1lol it's stop wow kids killing themselves on 48 hour grinding binges
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+0QUESTION:
Who is worse.. The US gov or Chinas?
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