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- TheWalkingDude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Watching videos on YouTube makes me want to buy things I had no intention of buying before watching. If I see something I like, I buy the better quality retail version and support the creator. Sometimes I see things I had forgotten about, or I see sporadic episodes which drives me to want to watch the whole series in good picture quality. It seems to me that everyone wins - YouTube gets traffic/ad revenue and copyright holders get increased interest in their products. Of course neither one can openly admit that they benefit, because then it might get out of hand. For an example of what's out there, check this out: http://digguser.blogspot.com/ It lists over 2,000 full length shows on YouTube which are still active. If YouTube starts fingerprinting, I'd suggest uploading to a Chinese clone, since economic ties, political issues, and international laws make them more difficult to remove. For example: http://www.yoqoo.com/v/show/id/7102/module/user
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Reported as inaccurate. Copyright infringement is not piracy.
- procdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Anyone remember that 20+ minute long preview of A Scanner Darkly? This is what needs to be done more and more by the Film Industry and sites like You Tube would be great for this. It's no different than a radio single promoting a full album.
- ActiveMatx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Thank you for the http://digguser.blogspot.com/ website. It kicks ass!
- rkcrawf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hmmm...I never would have started watching Colbert if I hadn't seen some of his segments on YouTube and Digg. The powers-that-be should realize that its free advertising (why it's called "viral marketing," duh). Although, I am still likely to DVR the real program and FF thru the commercials...
- rdotson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@TheWalkingDude
The yoqoo.com link is great for people fluent in Chinese I suppose, but is there an English language equivalent anywhere? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Spot on matey, all the corporate bigwigs who get their as$es in a twist over copyrighted material are plainly missing the point over low-quality copies of tv shows, films etc on YouTube and the like. More and more these people are trying to make it that if you buy music, films etc then you are only buying the rights for you personally to consume that material and no-one else - it's never actually your property. This isn't being proliferated by the artists, filmmakers etc, simply by the bureaucrats at the top. Sick.
Btw, thanks for the sweet blogspot link :D - procdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Monkey Island FTW
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Downloaded the TV show "Firefly". Went to the show (a rare occurrence for me) and saw Serenity and purchased the DVD. What more do they want out of me?
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm curious as to how this 'video watermarking' is supposed to work. Unless they make it visible to the naked eye (and have a bunch of cinema operators and moviegoers complaining about it) it'll probably be too subtle to be picked up by all but the most advanced cameras. And even then the amount of the mark captured would be greatly affected by and encoding or transcoding, let alone the incredibly complicated and effective AVIsynth filters people can come up with (I've seen scripts that take a HD movie with subtitles and a DVD without subtitles, and upconvert data from the DVD to paste over the portions of the frames (not even whole frames!) where the subtitles are). it'd just be easier and cheaper to let people in on the high quality unwatermarked videos and charge them a small fee (like £2-3 for SD quality, £4-5 for HD).
- ZetaEta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@brecasx
I've found all kinds of fun and interesting stuff via Pandora (Google it!), but you're right, nothing beats directly downloading a few tracks if you just want to know what someone sounds like (instead of who else sounds like them). - procdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I actually use it more to show something that's already happened from a sporting event or TV show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWCBghizQUs - Lain1k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Is anyone really watching pirated shows/movies on youTube and google? The quality is horrible. Most of what I watch is the best clips from The Daily show or other shows that I missed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Quakes:
... but if you DIDN'T see it on YouTube, you would have not likely ever seen it. - Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3cbiz, you gotta go buy the series on DVD now, otherwise you're a pirate
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Almost every video is copyrighted. Even videos made in someones garage are owned by the creator. So how do they determine what is worthy of being 'copyrighted' or not thus blocked by the site? What if I was to make a short film and someone filmed this at a small festival and then uploaded it to YouTube? The fingerprint technology wouldn't pick that out. Seems quite flawed.
- bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Travelsonic
You obviously dont know how copyrights work. any content any one creates becomes copyrighted with full protection under the copyright law. the people who publish something under creative comons are still under the copyright law it is basicly just saying they wont sue you. - glumbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is exactly what this article is. When I read the article, something struck me as being very biased towards the copyright holders. There was no alternative perspective, like potential benefits YouTube provides for them, and for example, the deal NBC later made with YouTube.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Reading the article I don't quite understand how this tech takes into account all the encoding and cropping and splicing and dicing that most videos go through before they get posted. How in the world can the digitial signature of a TV show match that of a encoded, cropped, and spliced 30 second clip?
If they have the tech to actually do that, then great, but I doubt that they actually do. - ActiveMatx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Take a look at a popular TV show... i dunno, southpark, daily show, whatever.... simpsons, and look at the "views".
YES, a lot of people watch tv shows on you-tube. Quite a lot. - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"YouTube gets traffic/ad revenue"
For YouTube ... traffic is the necessary evil requried in order to serve their content. Their bandwidth bills are out of control. - mchase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree, after seeing that 25 minute clip I went out the next weekend with the sole intent of watching the movie in theatres. Unfortunately it had been pulled from the local cinema after only a week on the big screen so the whole thing was kind of pointless.. but it did work for Dawn Of The Dead when they showed the first 10 minutes uncensored on TV.
- jbravo29, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Couldn't agree more with you. I've watched several old shows/cartoons on YouTube and ended up buying the complete season on DVD. Hong Kong Phuey ROCKS!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@cbiz:
Yeah if a friend says "do you want to go see xyz123 band" of which I've never heard, I'm straight to BT. If I find it and like it I go to their concert. - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That sole right of distribution afforded by copyright law that you talk about seems a bit out the window.
As you know anything you want can be found @ www. from old TV shows to illegal music mash-ups.
The lawyers can continue to take down some of the distribution points at the most obvious sites for specific violations.
Problem is everyone knows they can't take it all down. So, it seems no matter how hard they try they HAVE lost the sole right of distribution. - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I purchased a music DVD and concert tickets after I saw a bands video on YouTube - Shortly after I viewed this music video it was taken down. Hollywood should change it's name to Hollystupid.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Them being slow to remove things is why youtube is more popular than Google video. Google video is better in every way but they keep all that stuff off of there.
Eric Wilson - emalyse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, Youtube is a place for video content that is not available legally, usually music related videos from yesteryear, interviews, rare stuff etc probably culled from an old VHS or Beta tape. If some of this material was available legally there might be an argument that says this is is out and out piracy. I understand if material is taken down but if it then just goes back into the vault and never sees the light of day again when there is clearly a demand to see this content on line. If such media was widely available on line via a legal source it would negate much of youtubes raison d'etre.
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If I buy a Cd or Dvd based on something I enjoy for free on YouTube vs. TV or the sponsored SNL site why should it make a difference. This content is meant to be seen by as many folks as possible. How do take down orders and lawsuits help Hollywood sell product to consumers?
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1stubear - "Rightfully" just is not right in this case. Consumers know the rules have changed. If protecting your content means less eyes see it..how does that make sense? It's about conversion of shoppers/lookers into buyers. So protect your content if you want nice low conversion rates.
Your comment, "you cannot post files to the site." Maybe you think you cannot, problem is you can. - marioluigi123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Pirated video makes up about one-fifth of the moving-image content uploaded to video-sharing sites, according to Tom McInerney, founder and CEO of San Francisco-based Guba."
Um...is that a guess? Cause if not, they must have measured it somehow and they should know where the stuff is. Heck, just search for like "History Channel" and you can easily find stuff. - Quakes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Well... If I see a show that looks funny on YouTube, instead of buying it, I'll download the higher quality versions off of BitTorrent. So it works both ways, really.
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Xalorous - I guess I have been one since I used my 1st tape recorder (not a cassette) to record radio shows and other peoples albums.
A Pirate once said, "Not all men seek rest and peace, some are born with the spirit of sharing music in their blood, restless bingers of copying and duplicating, knowing no other path." - SlickNic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hope someone sues them
"That inspired them to switch gears and start developing Johnny (named after the Keanu Reeves character in "Johnny Mnemonic"). "We needed a system that could identify and classify [copyrighted] video without human assistance," McInerney says."
They named their software after a character in a movie, "Johnny" MUST be copywrite protected since everything else is.
I hope Congress gets off it's butt and does SOMETHING about this copywrite system - Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wish Congress would get off its but and do something about this spelling and grammar system.
- NoMercyGTP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They partially did, it is called spellcheck, but few use it. Grammar, well that is a whole other issue.
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1By "Online Video Pirates", what they really mean are "people who have infringed a copyright".
But "Video Pirates" sounds so much more impressive... Surely real pirates don't use Youtube... - vguard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Aren't the pirates supposed to be the ones with guns?
- cldnails, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Fingerprinting videos will only last so long, a work around is found almost as soon as new copyright protection is released. Pirates are the best for finding ways around protection...obviously. This looks like more propaganda from the MPAA, after all it's easier to pick on premature YouTube than seasoned BitTorrent sites.
- stubear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@bobothn
Travelsonic was correct. The problem is copyright law grants the owner the sole right of distribution. File sharing is distribution, you're only kidding yourself if you believe differently. The problem YouTube is facing isn't that copyrighted works are being uploaded to their site, it's that people are uploading (and thus distributing) copyrighted material for which they do not have the right to do so. - jeezus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1A more detailed description of the "Johnny" program is here:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1992565,00.asp - Travelsonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Copy protection ! copyright protection. One is to try to prevent pracy, or copying, the other is the legal copyright the holder has over the works.
- Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1tv, analog hole, legally shared
tv, digital, not legal to share
movies, not public domain, illegally shared
any copyrighted material, distributed for profit without permission, piracy - Travelsonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I think the real problem is not whether it is coprighted alone per-se given how there are copyrighted works that are legally free/sharable, but permissions, as in whether or not permission was granted to share, or distribute the work.
That is the crux everybody seems to miss. - josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Arrrrgh... I'll be a shivering marmers tail if they be wise to find me down in Davey Jones Locker...
- stubear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0This isn't a fight against marketing of heir product, it's to maintain (and rightfully so I might add) the sole right o distribution afforded by copyright law. Uploading files to sites like this or over file sharing networks is distribution and unless you pay for this right, which you do not when you purchase a CD/DVD/book, etc., then you cannot post files to the site. So the answer to your question is that the difference is in who has the right to distribute the work.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0EXACTLY. Idiotic hype.
- renzodesign, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1altho a valid point..Most people who visit youtube on a regular basis are kids looking for "fun" stuff :P you do get alot of older people on there but its hardly generating huge interest in girls in roundabouts (see diggnation 58) hmmm anyway it just doesnt generate enough interest in the products to be justified :(
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2hehehe
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