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- kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -3/+84You think that's bad? When you buy a kitchen knife in Canada, you have to pay a murder tax, just in case you kill somebody with it.
- shadownight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+52No, no, no, this is so stupid. I - hate - the - music - industry.
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+45So if you pay the ipod tax does that mean you can download as much music off the internet as you want without paying anything and be in the clear?
If that's the case i'm all for it.
Too bad it doesnt work that way. - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29There used to be an ipod tax (not sure how much it was, though) but the courts scrapped it... with good reason.
- iQuinn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Oh for crying out loud... Sometimes Canada just sucks. At least the courts are half-intelligent (read: legal downloading) even if the regulatory bodies aren't.
- spikes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20The CMCC is the real Canadian music industry, the CRIA is nothing more than American RIAA hogwash.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18 We, as free thinking human beings that ultimately own this country have the moral and ethical duty to not abide by any law that is not in line with our way of thinking. Call your rep. and let them know this is unacceptable, and if they wish to be employed next term, they will overwhelming vote this out.
- penneyisok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Turns out I was wrong about the uploading, thats was rejected not long after allowing downloading.
The Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) tried using the courts to force Internet service providers to release names of 29 people suspected of "distributing thousands of digital music files to millions of strangers" for its Canadian lawsuit.
Justice Konrad von Finckenstein not only rejected CRIA's request in his ruling, he destroyed the industry's case by declaring that making files available on a public network doesn't infringe on copyright.
"I cannot see a real difference between a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of copyrighted material and a computer user who places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service," he said. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14You guys do realize, of course, that Microsoft has already stepped forward and imposed this tax privately. They are toadying up to Universal and handing them money from every Zune sale.
On consumers' behalf, Microsoft says, "YES, WE want to be extorted! We want to pay off an obsolete, lazy, and corrupt corporation at the expense of customers!"
Nice precedent, *****. - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Well, once again the music industry shows that it considers EVERYBODY to be dishonest. Every time I see something like this it makes me want to fire up uTorrent and grab every bit of craptastic music that I can find, just because they are trying to tax me if I pirate or not.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"Canadian music industry wants to reimpose 'iPod tax'"
Candian music industry can go ***** itself. - penneyisok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@wheres
Its been legal for a long time now to download pirated music in Canada - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7With the current exchange rate, 64 USD
- LuciusVorenus77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Yeah, 'socialist' countries suck with their low crime rates, highly educated citizens and universal health care. Totally suck. For sure.
Oh and not to give you a lesson in economics but this kind of behaviour by the 'industry' is actually more about the negative aspects of capitalism then it is of socialism. - omgbanana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Canadians already pay a tax on blank CD-Rs.
- Quiplash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7That was the idea behind similar taxes placed on blank tapes and CDs in Canada in the past; I believe that the tax was to recompense the music industry for (assumed) illegal copying of music. I'm not sure if that was ever tested in a court of law, however. (Does anybody remember anything about this??) But if they go ahead with an iPod tax in Canada, which of course would be for all music players not just iPods, it would be very interesting to see if that tax would be used as a defense if there were a RIAA-style trial in Canada.
If they go ahead with this, expect a massive run on iPods beforehand. Much bigger than the one this past Christmas (the Zune sure lost out on that one...it hadn't been released here yet (hahaha). - Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If they impose such a tax, it should come with permission for everyone who paid the tax to download and share files at will. Otherwise, the law abiding DAP owner is being ripped off.
- penneyisok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Tenlow
Actually that is how it works. Downloading music is legal, as much as you want. But it is illegal to upload, even though I have yet to hear of someone getting charged for it to date - DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I thought we had it before and it was scrapped?
- cr4ft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Great idea on part of the Canadian Music Industry - just when you have people actually paying for music instead of illegally downloading it, you charge them tax.
Excellent idea, I'm sure you'll turn a lot of people on with that one! - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4..Or people in Canada will just pop across the border or order their music players from the US or other countries (Canada Customs does NOT collect the levy on recordable media, or on hardware).
This would just drive customers away from buying in Canada and Canadian Retailers would lose. Shrug - makes no difference to me, I live 30 min from the border and have plenty of relatives in the US that would be happy to mail stuff to me. - Speed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It was scrapped before, but the music industry won't give up until they cripple technology completly. It seems like every technological innovation is crushed by big business.
And under the current copyright laws, downloading music isn't illegal, hence why they are tying to make new laws, laws so crappy that recording a TV show would be illegal. - aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The CRIAA can go to hell. If they do this, I'm going to stop "buying" songs on iTMS until I makeup the difference. I figure that if I buy a new iPod with this tax, I will be entitled to illegally download at least 75 dollars worth of music. Fair is fair right?
If they are going to treat me like a criminal, I will become one.
I have bought 721 tracks since December 1st 2004 when iTMS launched in Canada. I guess the CRIAA does not want me to give their members any business. - GregR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As I understand it, not a single penny of the profits from the levy on iPods and CDs was every paid to any musician.
So, all that money went into the wrong pockets. We shouldn't be making the music companies rich! - freestyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4When they had the tax a few years ago, I drove half an hour to the States and then pirated all my music. It felt good.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -0/+4i literally just finished an article about this:
http://www.djlosch.com/article_An_In_Depth_Look%3A_DRM_is_About_Far_More_Than_Piracy
this is the music industry going after a section of the industry they've been cut out of. as the opportunities for profit from innovation disappear, DRM and legal mongering become the new profit engine. i like how they think that they should get some money from apple and mp3 makers despite the fact that they don't have to produce as many cd cases/jackets/booklets and physical cds. they're morons hanging onto a tired antiquated business model. game over. - tavisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So are they going to tax Laptops, Cell Phones that can play MP3's, PDA's, CD-Rom Drives (They can archive music in MP3 format), Speakers (They can play the music!), Flash Media (They can hold MP3's), Hard Drives (They can hold MP3's), Desktops, and Consoles like the Wii (Can play MP3's off of SD Cards)?
This is double dipping! If they want to tax my music player, then give me the music for free! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You're wrong. It's not legal because of the levy on media. That levy went in place just a few years ago. It's because a court deemed that it is legal, nothing else.
The levy on media is weird. Although we don't have a levy for blank DVD's, we do for blank CD's. It's actually cheaper here to buy blank DVD's than blank CD's. - Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I didnt even know the canadian music industry was that stupid, they are no better than the RIAA. Given us canadians a bad image >:(
- Uranium118, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually it is a good thing. Honest people pay for my right to download for free. Maybe we pay a tax for music players but in exchange, they don't sue everybody like in the USA. For me, it is a very good deal :).
But what's weird is they want to tax 2 to 30 GB music player but they don't tax hard drives for PC. I have over a TB of stuff on my HDDs and all that for free. - MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree with your second point but if everyone was to ignore any law they THOUGHT was bad, society wouldn't function. But should we lobby to have laws changed? Of course.
- twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The movie industry.
- deweyhewson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's too bad laws like this don't cut both ways like that, because we would definitely have to deal with far fewer of them if they did.
- ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2oh christ not again! I'm glad I've already bought mine, but seriously, if this happens again, im going to have to pirate even MORE music... maybe even start selling it so i can make up for my $75! this is recockulous!
- kaptainKraken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3this wont happen fora couple of reason, first you cant say that every ipod has music on it that comes from an artist that is supposed to get paid. perhaps my ipod has 40gigs of bird calls for all you know.
second if you tax one such media you have to tax them all this includes HD in computers and xbox and even the memory chips in the gps of you car belive it or not.
this is akin to taxing paper beacause you could potentially write the lyrics of a song on it. and dont forget to tax the ink...
weak sauce this tax crap... - JoeMittler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3we have enough dam taxes as it is in Canada. Why in the hell do we need another?
- bontux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2god dammit, what other industry treats the people who pay their wages as criminals?
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -0/+2under this logic, the water company should get money from soap and toilet paper manufacturers because without water, soap and toilet paper are useless. the grocery store should get money from the companies that manufacturer your cups and plates while we're at it.
if the stealing concept is a big factor, then black and decker should have to fork over money to subsidize the theft of the frequently stolen hardware like nails, nuts, and bolts. home depot/lowe's are perfectly aware that some staggering number of people simply don't pay for that tiny little piece of hardware. - anarchy99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you guys understand if this gets re-instituted it will be for all mp3 hardware not just the ipod
also since this and the money from the media levy goes to the recording industry an unchallenged but valid legal argument is that downloading is also legal because your levy gives you the right to because that media with that pirated music had money go to the industry so money for that music went to the industry meaning it has been paid for
that along with Justice Konrad von Finckenstein's ruling pirating music is legal along with all other media like movies (because the same principles are applied. movies although have not been tried, but with what was established in this case the industry would be stupid to waste the money trying) - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think everyone should stop buying music all together, that'll teach them a lesson.
- DolphinGL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think a few more Digg canucks need to bone up one the laws pertaining to copyright music.
While uploading to P2P networks remains illegal, downloading copyrighted music in Canada, even when you haven't purchased the album, still remains 100% legal. It's been deemed legal as a result of the levy/tax the goverment placed on our media years ago (pre-internet) to combat music piracy. Of course, at the time, that was limited to cassette copying on your hi-tech hi-speed dubbing dual cassette recorder....woot.
Times have changed, but the levy has not. So long as they charge us a tax on mp3 players and media, they cannot legally go after anyone for downloading copyrighted music. So I say long live the music taxes. So long as they're around I don't have to worry about RIAA-type boogeymen lurking around the corner while I contently download from Oink.
Canadians have always had the right to download copyrighted music due to these levies. The more you know.... - andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1GREAT, that means since I don't illegally download any music I should get 75 songs with my ipod!
...wait, it doesn't?...
Oh. So they would be paying for something they did not do?
Amazing. I thought the Zune's $1 was bad enough. - valenca, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2People keep knocking CRIA and think that they represent Canadian record labels, in truth they don't, the largest Canadian indie labels, with the blessings of musicians like Steven Page, up and left these clowns so now for the most part all CRIA represents are the Canadian wings of the major labels.
If you want to look up on it I would suggest looking at these links:
http://michaelgeist.ca/component/option,com_content/task,view/id,1204/Itemid,85/nsub,/
http://recordjackethistorian.blogspot.com/2006/04/feisty-independent-canadian-recording.html
and of course who would want to miss this one showing how much harm downloading is doing to Canadian artists
http://www.slyck.com/story1393.html - idean360, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Forget about the whole Bush for prez thing? more like 73USD = 75CND
- idean360, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah, this will happen when that law comes in that was suposed to ban internet porn...
- andrewpmk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I already paid for my songs on iTunes. I'm not paying again because I am supposedly a "pirate".
- mastertop, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually, if the money was DIRECTLY going to CANADIAN artists.. I wouldn't care that much.. But I guess the money would go to Sony, Universal, useless dudes.
- Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Not only iPod's have pirated music on them, there are in fact other music players in canada that people buy. Why not tax them too. I think the whole idea is crap, yeah it was kinda a good idea, but people defiantly aren't going to want to buy your album if they just spent an extra $75 on their iPod. It encourages piracy if you ask me!
Stupid Music Industry!!! - BumPoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0So does this mean that I am allowed to steal 75$ worth of media? I mean what the hell?
- stefan15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0It's sad--but I would support this if it would just shut all the RIAA-like organizations up.
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